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Subject: The game has nothing to do with the books! NO SPARTANS!
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I would enjoy seeing other spartans. Like the last level the final battle for Earth, when all the spartans show up and fight with the flood in a D-day style manor. People running around getting shot in the head, people crying, blood everywhere.

  • 06.17.2006 7:47 AM PDT
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Now do you all see?

  • 06.17.2006 8:54 AM PDT
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For the whole storyline to make sense there has to be. And nowhere in that passage does it say there wont be.

  • 06.17.2006 9:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: einx359
Just for those in this post who are too lazy to read the books, I thought I would just give a quick summary on the current Spartans:

Okay. During the Fall of Reach, at a briefing, Dr. Hasley says that, out of the augmented Spartans over the years, three were killed, and one was severely wounded. In addition, during the meeting on Reach, three Spartans were too far away to be recalled for the battle. This would mean that, out of the 33 augmented spartans, 26 are currently at Reach.

During the fall of Reach, John, James, and Linda went on to a space station, while the rest of the Spartans. During Fall of Reach, we only know what happens on the Station. James is blasted off in to space, with a limited air supply. His status is currently unknown, presumed dead. Linda is shot by multiple plasma bolts, and is near death. When John leaves the station, he takes Linda with him, and places her in a cryo-tube.

From First Strike, we learn what transipred there: After their entry, their pelican was shot down, and they had to jump out. Their impact resulted in 6 being near-immoblilised, and 4 dead. So, 23 were in the pelican, 4 were killed, and 6 were immoblilized. So, that leaves 19 Spartans on Reach's surface. However, it is stated by fred that there were 22 Spartans after the fall, which leads to a few inconsistancies with numbers. Joshua is seen killed by Fred. Eventually, Fred, Kelly, Will, Issac, and Vinh regroup, meet up with Dr. Hasley, and head deep in to the mountains.

After the destruction of Halo, John retrieves a set of cryo-tubes that were ejected from the PoA. Just happens to be Linda's. After capturing the Ascended Justice, the Mc, as well as Johnson and the other survivors of Halo, return to Reach, to find that a region around the equator was not glassed. Upon landing, he met up with Anton, Li, and Grace, who were with Admiral Whitecomb. They then proceeded to go in to the mountain to rescue the other Spartans. By the time they got there, Issac and Vinh were already killed. The rest were evacuated up to the Ascended Justice. During the battle in the semi-slipspace realm, Anton and Li were killed.

So, that leaves John, Kelly, Fred, Will, Grace, and Linda in the Cryotube.

Linda is revived, and they get ready to go on a mission to destroy the unyeilding heirophant. At this point, however, Dr. Hasley kidnaps Kelly and leaves in an ONI scout ship. On the actual mission, Grace was killed by a Brute.

So, the only Spartans that we can confirm that are alive are the MC, Fred, Will, and Linda. It is also likely that Kelly is alive somewhere with Dr. Hasley. That leaves our count at 5.


Wait, so Fred, Linda and Will all end up on the Autumn with the MC? If so then they are very likely to be dead as well.

No, they were going to go in the PoA on a secret mission to capture a Covenant ship, and destroy the Covie homeworld. Right before the jumped to Slipspace, REACH is attacked and they turn around..they split up and 3 go into a Space station to destroy a Stealth ship that has info on the Earth's coordinates, and the Covenant are going for it as well...

They encounter Johnson, Bisenti(sp?) and Jenkins there, James is blasted into space before they enter, Linda is shot on the way out and they all leave in a Pelican and get back to the Autumn.

They need to leave the other SPARTANs behind, and them make a blind jump after destroying a Covenant Flag Ship and and up on halo..Linda is medically dead on the Autumn, and is later revived in the Gettysburg (I believe..and it is a damaged UNSC ship they find near Reach, and they piggy back it onto their Flag ship [that they leave Halo with])

Will was on REACH..and he is with John at the end of the book..

  • 06.17.2006 9:08 AM PDT
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Wer'e supposed to talk about no Spartans!!!!!!!!! Not the Spartans themsleves!

  • 06.17.2006 9:17 AM PDT
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The locations of the Spartans at the end of First Strike is aboard the Gettysburg. Originally, they were onboard the Ascended Justice, a covenant flagship. In order to be able to perforn two slipspace jumps back to back, which would be required to rescue everyone off of Reach, Cortana found a derelict ship fron the Fall of Reach; the Gettysburg. She then used the techhnicians on the Ascended Justice to connect and fuse the two ships together at the docking ports. The ship remained like this until after the battle at the Unyeilding Heirophant, at which point Admiral Whitecomb detatched the Ascended Justice from the Gettysburg and used it to lure about 500 covenant ships in to close proximity to the Unyeilding Heirophant, which was about to explode. Thus, the only ship left was the Gettysburg, which the remainind Spartans (John, Fred, Will, and Linda) boarded and set course for Earth.

And we are talking about no Spartans. We are talking about how there are Spartans, and you are wrong, by taking examples right out of the books, and retelling them right here.

[Edited on 6/17/2006]

  • 06.17.2006 9:18 AM PDT

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There were about 15 ships left after that, correct? I think they are the ones who continue to go to Earth, like the whole fleet was going to..


Ascendant Justice ;)

  • 06.17.2006 9:29 AM PDT

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The novels are official canon to the Halo storyline, whether or not you see small inconsistencies in them, and whether or not your beloved Spartans other than the Master Chief are not seen in the games. Listed below is a huge collection of quotes from various Bungie employees, Microsoft employees, and novel authors.


GameSpy: When you were writing the game's script, did you want to tie the whole universe together, including stuff that was in the two books?

Joe Staten: The books are full of wonderful, complex elements that would be hugely problematic if we included them in Halo 2 in any meaningful way (e.g. the existence of other Spartans). That being said, I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters. The opposite is true as well; Eric Nylund and I spoke often as he gathered is thoughts for the third Halo novel, "First Strike."


How Stuff Works: Was the "Halo" story fully realized and segmented into different games, or did you take the story as far as "Halo 1" and when it came time for a sequel, build the story from the ground up?


Pete Parsons: The "Halo" universe has an overarching story that is well thought out and was well thought out before "Halo 2." We have roughly 600 years worth of "Halo" fiction, and we know what happens inside of that universe at any given time. The ["Halo 2"] story itself only existed as notes and was really fleshed out. We know ultimately, at least in the "Halo" universe, where humanity came from, where it's going to, at what point in time it comes in contact with The Covenant [the villains in "Halo"] and what happens well beyond that.

"Halo 2" picks up literally right after "Halo 1." But there is still plenty of story in and around that. And you can see some of that in the three novels we have.

How Stuff Works: The novelization of a video game is, well ... novel. Where does Eric Nyland <sic> get the background for his books?

Pete Parsons: We work closely with him on all the stories. So what we do is we have these story arcs of the "Halo" universe, and Eric goes in and says, "Well that's a really good piece to take and here is in a microcosm what I think that story will look like."

How Stuff Works: Are you guys very conscious to make sure that everything fits together -- that the books and games don't contradict one another -- so that everyone can look to any source and say, "This is very consistent, fully realized world"?

Pete Parsons:Yes, but not in the marketing kind of way. We do it because we want the "Halo" universe to be manifold. You can certainly probably pull out some inconsistencies, but as a general rule we really try to keep it manifold. Because we think that ultimately we are doing this for ourselves. And after that, we're doing it for our fans, and we want them to really believe in this place that is the Halo universe. I think the reason Halo has captured so many imaginations is because we care a lot about what's going on in that universe and how believable that universe is. We have this high level myth that we understand very well.


EGM: You mention Reach; have you read all of the Halo books?

Pete Parsons: Yeah, obviously the Halo fiction. The overarching Halo universe is crafted here, and then guys like...particularly [Halo book author Eric Nylund] has the job of really fleshing out the bones of that particular story arc.

EGM: So somewhere there's a Halo bible that has the basic storyline, including what goes on after Halo 2?

Pete Parsons: Yes, from the present day to the future.


HBO: As the Halo storyline has evolved, have you made changes to Halo: The Fall of Reach, or have you kept it going in the direction you started?

Eric Nylund: By the time writing began, the storyline of the Halo game was more or less finalized. An outline for the novel was approved by Bungie before I began writing-only very minor changes were made to the novel.


HBO: Have there been changes to the GAME (that you know of) due to the book, or due to research instigated by its writing?

Eric Nylund: Not that I'm aware of, no. I relied on the Story Bible quite extensively. The whole idea behind a Story Bible is that if you create a document that accurately describes the universe in which a game takes place, you can use it as a guide for writing a novel (for example) without needing to constantly check the developing novel against a developing game.




Bungie/Microsoft controls the licensing of all Halo products - including the novels:



GameSpy: Also in regards to the "Halo universe," who has ultimate control over where and how the storylines intersect?

Joe Staten: Bungie. Specifically, myself, Jones, Parsons and our community team. And we're very careful about the opportunities we pursue.


GameSpy: When it comes to the expansion of the Halo universe, we've seen books come out, action figures, things like that. Was this a conscious decision by Bungie, or did it just start to happen as the Halo snowball rolled on and got bigger?

Frank O'Connor: You know, if you come by the Bungie offices, the place is absolutely filled with action figures, toys, and other stuff like that. The cool thing about working at Bungie, and I can't speak for the other studios at Microsoft, is that they let us do what we want, and they let us have complete control over our intellectual properties. So, we get to make the things that we want to make. That why I think people like the Halo action figures. They're fully posable, they're really high quality, and they're really detailed, and that's a direct result of us having control over them. It could have been possible for us to just hand that off to some factory and say, "Just make something that looks like this," but every toy, model, and even cups and T-shirts, that come back here, we get final approval over. It's not just approval, though, we also get to make changes like, "No, that's not detailed enough, make it more detailed." That's a really cool thing about working in this studio.


And Shishka said the following in this thread.

Posted By: Shishka
The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike are official books. Yes, Bungie had say in their writing. Yes, the writers did some of their own work nothing was published without first receiving Bungie's approval.

However, what you fail to realize is that the books act as flavor for the hardcore. Guess what? Out of the millions that have bought and played the second Halo, only a tiny handful have actually READ these books. As such, it'd be unwise to reference the books directly in the game, as the reference would be obscure and misunderstood by the majority of players.

The books enhance the games, not the other way around.

The mistake in your thinking is that Halo 1 doesn't "reference" anything that happened in The Flood. It's the other way around. And, Halo 1 didn't reference anything that happened during Fall of Reach, just as Halo 2 didn't reference anything that happened in First Strike.


That just about wraps that up. Any questions PM me or ask them here. Thanks to The Watchers for the information.

  • 06.17.2006 9:40 AM PDT