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Subject: How was Shishka so stupid?


Posted by: burritosenior
The Battle Rifle promotes a single style of gameplay, as you have demonstrated in this thread multiple times already. Assault Rifle starts allow people to use more of the sandbox causing games to play out differently. Instead of it being about 4-shotting eery kill, it can be about 4-shotting, melees, short range, more mid-range and exciting encounters ultimately creating a more diverse and enjoyable experience.


and who says using more of the sandbox causes a more enjoyable experience?

last time i checked AR starts at HIGH level play wasnt exactly fair.

Of course i wouldnt expect you to understand this because you have downs and all.

  • 07.28.2012 1:05 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
If the opponents have map control, spawning with an AR is uselessIf you spawn with a BR, the game is boring, monotonous, repetitive, just dull overall. If you spawn with an AR, the 'map control' won't last forever and it provides more variety in gameplay.
LMFAO, this single quote displays the magnitude of your lack of understanding. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  • 07.28.2012 1:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
If the opponents have map control, spawning with an AR is uselessIf you spawn with a BR, the game is boring, monotonous, repetitive, just dull overall. If you spawn with an AR, the 'map control' won't last forever and it provides more variety in gameplay.
LMFAO, this single quote displays the magnitude of your lack of understanding. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I can't believe you don't get it yet, it's hilarious lol.

  • 07.28.2012 1:07 PM PDT

Also, burrito, please stop using stupid meaningless buzzwords like 'exciting experience' and 'intense'. AR starts create frustration because when I play against someone with a full complement of fingers who has a weapon which isn't entirely useless I want to cave my skull in because of how little I can do against him with the AR.

  • 07.28.2012 1:07 PM PDT

Posted by: X El BaZzA X
AR starts create frustration because when I play against someone with a full complement of fingers who has a weapon which isn't entirely useless I want to cave my skull in because of how little I can do against him with the AR.
My most sincere apologies, but I think that might be due to a lack of skill or fingers on your part mate. On a small map like that with so many ways to break a line of sight, if you're just charging out into the open half a map away from the person with a short ranged weapon, you're doing something wrong I'm afraid.

It's about playing smarter, not harder.

  • 07.28.2012 1:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
It's about playing smarter, not harder.


2012. Where somebody who dies more than they kill tries to tell somebody else to play smarter.

fkn lol Burrito you're a riot. Tell us more about the time where you carried your team to victory with a spiker ToD

  • 07.28.2012 1:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
If the opponents have map control, spawning with an AR is useless[/quote]If you spawn with a BR, the game is boring, monotonous, repetitive, just dull overall. If you spawn with an AR, the 'map control' won't last forever and it provides more variety in gameplay.


coincidence that everybody who says AR starts promote variety and map movement play terribly?

  • 07.28.2012 1:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Posted by: burritosenior
It's about playing smarter, not harder.

2012. Where somebody who dies more than they kill tries to tell somebody else to play smarter.

2012. Where somebody with no stats attempts to discredit another user based solely on stats. :D

  • 07.28.2012 1:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Posted by: burritosenior
It's about playing smarter, not harder.

2012. Where somebody who dies more than they kill tries to tell somebody else to play smarter.

2012. Where somebody with no stats attempts to discredit another user based solely on stats. :D


hush let the big boys talk

  • 07.28.2012 1:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Anonymous Moose
2012. Where somebody who dies more than they kill tries to tell somebody else to play smarter.
Ah, so now you claim that someone that doesn't try as hard doesn't play smarter. That's quite a good one I'll give you that. XP
Tell us more about the time where you carried your team to victory with a spiker ToD Melee's where it's at.

  • 07.28.2012 1:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Anonymous Moose
2012. Where somebody who dies more than they kill tries to tell somebody else to play smarter.
Ah, so now you claim that someone that doesn't try as hard doesn't play smarter. That's quite a good one I'll give you that. XP


Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about trying hard. Good players play smart, not 'hard', so you are right in that sense. However, I'm sure you got that off of a fortune cookie because in practice you don't play smart nor hard.


  • 07.28.2012 1:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about trying hard.
Er... you do realize that when you're comparing ''skill'' which, in this case, is irrelevant anyways but I'm playing along because stupidity amuses me, whether somebody is actually attempting to 'pad' their stats is most certainly relevant, right?


Good players play smart, not 'hard', so you are right in that sense. However, I'm sure you got that off of a fortune cookie because in practice you don't play smart nor hard.
Right you are. I don't play hard. This allows me to just have fun with the game. Winning can be fun to some but to me, and most people, it isn't the only way to do so. So while I think about what I could do (unlike the previous person I was having a discussion with, as evidenced by the circular logic scenario), I don't have to actually do it to have fun.

However, if your definition of fun is dependent on winning, I would say that you're playing harder but most certainly not smarter since you are unable to utilize the full sandbox effectively. It really is quite a shame, but that's reality for you. Full of disappointment.

  • 07.28.2012 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
you are unable to utilize the full sandbox effectively.
lol

  • 07.28.2012 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior

When I play Halo i play to have fun. Whether i'm winning or running around with a PP or mongoose, I am having fun. If I'm not having fun doing whatever it is that I'm doing, I don't play. It's simple.

Where your logic fails is that you seem to think utilizing the whole sandbox makes you 'smarter'. It doesn't. Utilizing what works makes you smarter. A good player knows all that crap about extra melee damage, faster shield depletion, etc., but it's irrelevant because there are other parts of the sandbox that do its job and then some. Versatility > Variety, similar to how Quality > Quantity.

And the quality of all those redundant reskinned weapons you cling to is very low. The subtle differences in among the fodder weapons don't matter when there is something better than it.

It's like a bunch of sluts named Spiker, Plasma Rifle, and Mauler fighting over who gets to go out with you, and then a wholesome pretty girl named "Becky Rivers" asks you. Who cares which slut is better? You're not going to pick any of them over the girl who is clearly much better. And are you going to remain faithful to her, or fool around with a bunch of other sluts?

You are settling for the sluts and you are fooling around with all of them instead of staying faithful to the only girl that matters. In this case, the BR.


[Edited on 07.28.2012 1:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.28.2012 1:56 PM PDT
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Good.....


Let the mad flow through you burritosenior

  • 07.28.2012 2:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Anonymous Moose
you seem to think utilizing the whole sandbox makes you 'smarter'. It doesn't. Utilizing what works makes you smarter. A good player knows all that crap about extra melee damage, faster shield depletion, etc., but it's irrelevant because there are other parts of the sandbox that do its job and then some.
This.

burrito there is very little skill gap in these spray and prey copypasted weapons anyway, but there's no point 'learning' (lol) how to use them because they're not useful in any scenario. don't argue that i 'don't know how to use them' because it will make you look like a retard (if you didn't do that already.)

  • 07.28.2012 2:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Where your logic fails is that you seem to think utilizing the whole sandbox makes you 'smarter'. It doesn't. Utilizing what works makes you smarter. A good player knows all that crap about extra melee damage, faster shield depletion, etc., but it's irrelevant because there are other parts of the sandbox that do its job and then some. Versatility > Variety, similar to how Quality > Quantity.
The problem is that you aren't utilizing what works. As the other person said- he doesn't want to learn how to use anything else effectively. It's the circular logic scenario again. You're just sticking with the Battle Rifle because it's moderately effective in just about every single situation. Versatility, as you say. Still, that makes gameplay dull and monotonous.

And the quality of all those redundant reskinned weapons you cling to is very low. The subtle differences in among the fodder weapons don't matter when there is something better than it. A weapon performing better than another weapon in a certain scenario is what makes it matter.

And I approve of the analogy. It made me chuckle.

  • 07.28.2012 2:03 PM PDT

Honestly arguing with burrito is pointless. LOL derp brigadier trying to argue AR > BR. No BR is the better weapon (no duhhhh). So as a compromise why not have BR and AR secondary? BK's get the AR actual kids who know how to play use the BR.
I know i dont have a 50 on this account
Kitty with a BR got banned :D

  • 07.28.2012 2:06 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Where your logic fails is that you seem to think utilizing the whole sandbox makes you 'smarter'. It doesn't. Utilizing what works makes you smarter. A good player knows all that crap about extra melee damage, faster shield depletion, etc., but it's irrelevant because there are other parts of the sandbox that do its job and then some. Versatility > Variety, similar to how Quality > Quantity.
The problem is that you aren't utilizing what works.
These spray and prey retard weapons like the spiker don't work, you owl killing moron. If they worked, everyone would use them.

  • 07.28.2012 2:06 PM PDT
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The AR takes skill...













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  • 07.28.2012 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: X El BaZzA X
you owl killing moron.


OMG ITz A CHICKEN YOU BRITISH MAROON


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  • 07.28.2012 2:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Where your logic fails is that you seem to think utilizing the whole sandbox makes you 'smarter'. It doesn't. Utilizing what works makes you smarter. A good player knows all that crap about extra melee damage, faster shield depletion, etc., but it's irrelevant because there are other parts of the sandbox that do its job and then some. Versatility > Variety, similar to how Quality > Quantity.
The problem is that you aren't utilizing what works. As the other person said- he doesn't want to learn how to use anything else effectively. It's the circular logic scenario again. You're just sticking with the Battle Rifle because it's moderately effective in just about every single situation. Versatility, as you say. Still, that makes gameplay dull and monotonous.


Don't bring subjectivity into this at all. "dull and monotonous" is only your opinion and cannot be quantified nor proven consistently with data or evidence.

Weapon effectiveness, however, can be quantified, researched, studied, and objectified. These are done not only by player statistics tracked by Bungie/343, but also by charting and surveying their effectiveness via players performing at their highest meta-game. This is similar to how the tiers in Super Smash Bros are ranked.

We stick with the battle rifle because it works. We don't use the other weapons because the battle rifle works better. It's quite simple. Referring back to the slut analogy, you might get some cat here and there with one, but when you find the wholesome girl, you get more 'bang for your buck', so to speak. I imagine you've had some yourself so I expect you to understand a good girl from 'a piece of meat'.

The BR is a longterm partner. A spiker, Plasma Rifle, or any of those niche filler weapons are just 1-night stands.

Back on the topic, while I do occasionally pick up these weapons for niche purposes (PR is good dual wielded), I just don't see the need to run around with one of them as a primary. As a secondary? Use the spiker to your hearts content. But intentionally limiting your versatility in your playstyle by making 2 of the same niche weapons your primaries is never a good idea.

You wouldn't run around with Sword and Shotgun. You wouldn't run around with Sniper and Beam Rifle (outside of Snipe/Action Sack). And you wouldn't run around with Spiker and Plasma Rifle. You need a weapon capable of cleaning up kills and helping teammates from a far. When you're on training and a teammate is battling somebody on your needles, your Spiker is not going to give him any help. Period.

  • 07.28.2012 2:14 PM PDT

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
"Team shoot the wraith!"
"What's a team shoot and what's a wraith?!"
"It means we all shoot at the big blue thing together!"
"Okay!"
*starts betraying blue teammate*

To supporters of AR spawns.

Have you ever been spawn trapped on say, The Pit or Narrows during an AR starts game?
Have you ever spawn trapped anyone on say, The Pit or Narrows?
No? You haven't witnessed how retarded it is?


Please don't talk then.

  • 07.28.2012 2:19 PM PDT


Posted by: kil1ertomatog
To supporters of AR spawns.

Have you ever been spawn trapped on say, The Pit or Narrows during an AR starts game?
Have you ever spawn trapped anyone on say, The Pit or Narrows?
No? You haven't witnessed how retarded it is?


Please don't talk then.

Inb4 if u were g00d dis wouldnt happen

  • 07.28.2012 2:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Anonymous Moose
Don't bring subjectivity into this at all. "dull and monotonous" is only your opinion and cannot be quantified nor proven consistently with data or evidence.
Dull is subjective. Monotonous is not. Variety in gameplay can be quantified, researched, studied, and objectified.


We stick with the battle rifle because it works. We don't use the other weapons because the battle rifle works better.
That is a false statement I'm afraid. You use the Battle Rifle because it works. But no, you do not use it because it works 'better.' You use it because it's sufficient against a large number of other weapons. Quantity over quality, if I may.
Back on the topic, while I do occasionally pick up these weapons for niche purposes (PR is good dual wielded), I just don't see the need to run around with one of them as a primary. As a secondary? Use the spiker to your hearts content. But intentionally limiting your versatility in your playstyle by making 2 of the same niche weapons your primaries is never a good idea. Nonono. I'm not saying nobody should use the Battle Rifle or pick it up. If you spawn with it, of course you'll use it. Why? Because it's so effective in so many situations (monotony again though, mind you). What I'm saying is that with Assault Rifle starts, since NOT everybody will have it at all times, it opens the game up to a whole new range of gameplay that people would never consider if they already had long-mid range weapons from the start. In the absence of the battle rifle, new gameplay is made available that would otherwise never be considered.

And you wouldn't run around with Spiker and Plasma Rifle.*cough* Um...

  • 07.28.2012 2:37 PM PDT

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