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Subject: "Censor User" Option

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: spartain ken 15
By hiding the problem and not doing anything about it, they are still going to act like jerks. This hide feature is just ignoring the problem.

Atleast when people get banned for something, they have to think about their actions. BY just saying lets block them, we are saying it is okay to act like a jerk/be annoying and they won't be punished for it.
If a jerk spams a forum and nobody can see their posts, does anybody care?


That is like saying you know people are breaking the law but because it is not in plain sight you are still letting it happen.

The fact is this does not deal with the problem, it ignores it.

If a dude is being a jerk so much where almost everyone ignores their posts, something is very wrong and the mods haven't been informed or simply don't want to deal with it.
See this right there? That has absolutely nothing to do with the common member whatsoever. This is how I envision this working...


>Click Report
>Click Ignore
Resume discussion in thread.

Users who spam decent threads are automatically cut out of the picture and that leaves the common member the peace of mind to continue discussing a topic.

  • 07.30.2012 7:07 AM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is like saying you know people are breaking the law but because it is not in plain sight you are still letting it happen.
That's not a good example, because it assumes a forum poster is always violating the rules of the forum and their actions somehow affect others' experience on the forum.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
The fact is this does not deal with the problem, it ignores it.
By ignoring the problem, you've dealt with it. You suggested it yourself on page 3.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
If a dude is being a jerk so much where almost everyone ignores their posts, something is very wrong and the mods haven't been informed or simply don't want to deal with it.
Again, that assumes the user is breaking the rules of the forum.

Also, there are instances where we (ninjas) don't want to deal with something - it's when we don't agree with the reports being made against a user's post. This is actually detrimental for you non-moderators who have reported because you still can't get rid of that jerk who's annoying you, and I understand this position completely.

There is a very real sense of powerlessness as a non-moderator because you have far less control over the content on the page. And when moderators don't act (for whatever reason) on the reports you make, your experience is worsened because you have to continue to put up with "that jerk".

  • 07.30.2012 7:33 AM PDT

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Having the option to minimize the user post like the sig would do wonders.

  • 07.30.2012 7:37 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is like saying you know people are breaking the law but because it is not in plain sight you are still letting it happen.
That's not a good example, because it assumes a forum poster is always violating the rules of the forum and their actions somehow affect others' experience on the forum.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
The fact is this does not deal with the problem, it ignores it.
By ignoring the problem, you've dealt with it. You suggested it yourself on page 3.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
If a dude is being a jerk so much where almost everyone ignores their posts, something is very wrong and the mods haven't been informed or simply don't want to deal with it.
Again, that assumes the user is breaking the rules of the forum.

Also, there are instances where we (ninjas) don't want to deal with something - it's when we don't agree with the reports being made against a user's post. This is actually detrimental for you non-moderators who have reported because you still can't get rid of that jerk who's annoying you, and I understand this position completely.

There is a very real sense of powerlessness as a non-moderator because you have far less control over the content on the page. And when moderators don't act (for whatever reason) on the reports you make, your experience is worsened because you have to continue to put up with "that jerk".


I get what you are trying to say and I understand it takes time for moderation to handle things if there are n mods online.

But if people are in fact NOT breaking any rules and users want to remove them because they don't like them, I really think they should not have this feature.

There are people on here I don't really care for because they act like jerks to me but I don't get mad when they posts and if I don't want to read a post them make, I just scroll down the thread or the thread list.

There is really no excuse for not being able to control an urge to have a "confrontation" with another user. If someone insists on being a jerk to another person, they should be held accountable. It is a forum rule, play nice and don't be a jerk.

The thing about this feature that urks me is that people want to use it for the wrong reasons. No one's attitude or views change, no one learns to control their urges to be a jerk. I can understand if we were dealing with spammers it is applicable but with people not breaking any rules, ehh no.

I really think this is a waste of time for the webteam when everyone should be capable of not responding in a rude fashion to another user. As I have said before, if they can't handle being a jerk to people who don't break any rules and aren't doing anything, then they SHOULD be punished. People who want this for that purpose should not feel like a victim, they are the instigators.

But I will tell you, I have to put up with a lot of "jerks" on here and it is blatantly obvious people are trolling/being jerks that i am surprised more ninjas don't pick up on it. Even though some people may act like tools, I still want to hear what they have to say. Making more people removed from the forum just means less of the forums I can use and participate in.

I think what would really help in the long run is to maybe crack down on these people who insist on flaming other users and watch it. Even it is a slap on the wrist, it still gives the message "Hey we won't tolerate that here, stop it". This to me says "It is okay to be a jerk, out of sight out of mind".

  • 07.30.2012 7:54 AM PDT

"Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't."
-Macbeth (Act I, Scene V).

Posted by: spartain ken 15

It should be up to the user whose posts they see. Their reasons are their own.

  • 07.30.2012 8:07 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Unfounded Lies
Posted by: spartain ken 15

It should be up to the user whose posts they see. Their reasons are their own.


what?

You know what, if we were doing this, here is how it should be done:

If a user feels compelled to block another user, they have to go what I would call the User Block Sheet.

The system would work in that a user can only file to block 1 other user at a time. Once they get approved or rejected, they can choose another user to block.

Once a user decides to block, they have to write a VERY compelling case of why this user should be blocked and how it is necessary.

Once this is sent in, the user being block is investigated. (Because if people want to block a user instead of just ignore them with skills they learned in pre-k, something is wrong). If the user in question did not break any rules, the request is terminated. You know why? because if they aren't doing anything wrong, there is no need to block them out, everyone here is perfectly capable of that.

Also as another bonus if a lot of people try to block a singular user and he or she has done nothing wrong to warrant a block, they become unblocakble for 6 months.

Also anyone being blocked will be notified if they are being blocked because this is essentially a restraining order for no reason.

The fact is this should be a last resort and not something you just click willy nilly. And I also think the people requesting the request should have their posts and info looked at to, to see if they are the problem because then maybe they should have their ability to rquet an ignore taken away, permanently.

This is a long, lengthy, and annoying process. You know why? Because there is NO NEED to have an ignore people feature and it shouldn't be done unless it is a LAST RESORT. If people just want it because "Oh I don't like that guy" well tough -blam- because we are all apart of the same community. People should not be punished or blocked for doing nothing wrong and if they are doing something wrong, they should be dealt with.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 8:18 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 8:17 AM PDT
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  • 07.30.2012 8:20 AM PDT

"Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't."
-Macbeth (Act I, Scene V).

I think you fear being blocked, considering all the fuss you make about it, paired with the whole "hide spartain ken 15" script fiasco. If a user gets angry over being blocked by so many people, odds are they'd try and fix their behavior.

I can already block you, a site feature would just make it easier on my browser when loading extensions.

It's easy to piss someone off or annoy them within the rules.

  • 07.30.2012 9:16 AM PDT

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  • 07.30.2012 9:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Unfounded Lies
I think you fear being blocked, considering all the fuss you make about it, paired with the whole "hide spartain ken 15" script fiasco. If a user gets angry over being blocked by so many people, odds are they'd try and fix their behavior.
Where do I find this script?

  • 07.30.2012 10:12 AM PDT

"Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't."
-Macbeth (Act I, Scene V).


Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Unfounded Lies
I think you fear being blocked, considering all the fuss you make about it, paired with the whole "hide spartain ken 15" script fiasco. If a user gets angry over being blocked by so many people, odds are they'd try and fix their behavior.
Where do I find this script?

Go back a page, there's a script that works with any user.

  • 07.30.2012 10:58 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Unfounded Lies

Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Unfounded Lies
I think you fear being blocked, considering all the fuss you make about it, paired with the whole "hide spartain ken 15" script fiasco. If a user gets angry over being blocked by so many people, odds are they'd try and fix their behavior.
Where do I find this script?

Go back a page, there's a script that works with any user.


That is amazing you need a script to block a user who didn't break any rules or who you think is annoying. This really makes me mad at how bad our community is sometimes.

You know what, I don't even care anymore, lets have an ignore user script.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 11:10 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 11:07 AM PDT
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Whoo.

This has been discussed enough that as of right now it's just recurring arguments, everyone knows about it and if it's going to happen officially it'll happen, while if it's going to happen unofficially it will also happen, I don't think this thread will have any effect of it's existence either way.

  • 07.30.2012 11:14 AM PDT

Posted by: dazarobbo
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By hiding I think he means censoring them RATHER than blacklisting them (because normal users don't have the power to blacklist on the mains).
The end result is still the same; their posts are gone (and this is exactly what he wants when he says he doesn't want to see them on this site).
I'm not disagreeing with you here. Blacklists work just fine for censorship.

  • 07.30.2012 11:16 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
This has been discussed enough that as of right now it's just recurring arguments, everyone knows about it and if it's going to happen officially it'll happen, while if it's going to happen unofficially it will also happen, I don't think this thread will have any effect of it's existence either way.


It is just there is no need for it at all, totally pointless.

  • 07.30.2012 11:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is amazing you need a script to block a user who didn't break any rules or who you think is annoying. This really makes me mad at how bad our community is sometimes.

You know what, I don't even care anymore, lets have an ignore user script.
Ken, the only reason you ever get so uppity in debates or discussions about ignore user or block user scripts or feature suggestions is that people in the thread constantly either say or imply that they would ignore or block you. It's getting to the point where you're transparent to the point where looking in your direction might have one wondering what is was they were supposed to be looking at.

The ignore user, censor user, or block user option, feature, or script is used when there is somebody you feel offers no legitimate discussion whenever they post. It's used when you've never seen any post by any user that has every contributed in any way to any discussion in a manner that didn't make you want to rip your hair out of your head so that your mind can focus on something less painful than reading said user's posts.

It's a completely legitimate way of ignoring a person.

Yes, we could just ignore the person. That much is obvious. Would you like to know what else we could guy by without?

-Hyperlinks
--You can just copy and paste the link into the URL bar above.

-Private Groups
--Just go to a Facebook group or offsite, organized forum, you nerds.

-Avatars
--Everyone already has a unique name, that should be enough.

-The golden Septagon next to threads employees have posted in.
--Just look through every thread yourself if you want to know.

-Mail Sacks
--Just let Bungie be dark. They don't owe anything to you.

But, you know what all of those things do, Ken? They make things easier. They make things less effort-requiring than they are in their most basic forms. And, most importantly of all, they improve each individual user's experience.

That is why the ignore feature is a legitimate feature. In fact, go ahead and not read the rest of that post. Just read the blue bit right there. Consider it a gift of TL;DR for you. You've earned it, skenny.

e: oh dear, that could've been bad.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 11:23 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 11:21 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
It is just there is no need for it at all, totally pointless.
Well technically there's no need for a lot of features on this site, if you want a more minimalist forum HBO has less unnecessary options, but even there there are also options to aid your forum going experience.

  • 07.30.2012 11:28 AM PDT

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I change my mind, I'm not going to block Ken. It was kinda annoying seeing everyone quote a post I can't see. :/

  • 07.30.2012 11:32 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: MURDUR 587
This has been discussed enough that as of right now it's just recurring arguments, everyone knows about it and if it's going to happen officially it'll happen, while if it's going to happen unofficially it will also happen, I don't think this thread will have any effect of it's existence either way.


It is just there is no need for it at all, totally pointless.


You still haven't told us, throughout all this arguing, one thing.

What's the difference between clicking a button so that you don't have to see a certain user's posts, and simply ignoring that user by not reading his posts?

What's the difference on your end if I say "I'm not going to read or respond to this user" or if I say 'I'm going to put this user on an ignore list"?

  • 07.30.2012 11:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: coolmike699
What's the difference on your end if I say "I'm not going to read or respond to this user" or if I say 'I'm going to put this user on an ignore list"?

One way, you consciously ignore the user. The other way, you're unconsciously ignoring the user.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 11:52 AM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 11:51 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: MURDUR 587
This has been discussed enough that as of right now it's just recurring arguments, everyone knows about it and if it's going to happen officially it'll happen, while if it's going to happen unofficially it will also happen, I don't think this thread will have any effect of it's existence either way.


It is just there is no need for it at all, totally pointless.


You still haven't told us, throughout all this arguing, one thing.

What's the difference between clicking a button so that you don't have to see a certain user's posts, and simply ignoring that user by not reading his posts?

What's the difference on your end if I say "I'm not going to read or respond to this user" or if I say 'I'm going to put this user on an ignore list"?


Exactly, so there is no need to have this feature.

  • 07.30.2012 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: coolmike699
What's the difference on your end if I say "I'm not going to read or respond to this user" or if I say 'I'm going to put this user on an ignore list"?

One way, you consciously ignore the user. The other way, you're subconsciously ignoring the user.
Fix'd. Just sayin'.

  • 07.30.2012 11:52 AM PDT

Key


Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! Respond to my much more compelling argument! Do it! Do it now!

  • 07.30.2012 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
The thing about this feature that urks me is that people want to use it for the wrong reasons
There is no wrong reason to use it. If this limits users in online discussion that is their own doing.

Many websites and online services have a block or ignore feature. I'm talking about Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, NeoGAF, Xbox Live, Playstation Network, MSN, Yahoo and many more.

The problem I have is when I report a post that I find annoying or ban worthy, that post remains there until something is done about it and I literally cannot do anything. That takes away from each user's experience. Everyone has a right to voice their own opinion, but everyone should be able to filter what content they see.

Welcome to the 21st century.

  • 07.30.2012 11:57 AM PDT

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We aren't here to ruin your experience (Well Qbix is).


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! Respond to my much more compelling argument! Do it! Do it now!
He won't, cause he knows he's wrong.

  • 07.30.2012 11:59 AM PDT