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I'd just like to have this when those stupid spammers come along. It's really annoying having to scroll all the way down just to see the next posts.

  • 07.30.2012 12:00 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: MURDUR 587
This has been discussed enough that as of right now it's just recurring arguments, everyone knows about it and if it's going to happen officially it'll happen, while if it's going to happen unofficially it will also happen, I don't think this thread will have any effect of it's existence either way.


It is just there is no need for it at all, totally pointless.


You still haven't told us, throughout all this arguing, one thing.

What's the difference between clicking a button so that you don't have to see a certain user's posts, and simply ignoring that user by not reading his posts?

What's the difference on your end if I say "I'm not going to read or respond to this user" or if I say 'I'm going to put this user on an ignore list"?


Exactly, so there is no need to have this feature.


OK, well there's "no need" to have forums at all.

The argument that it is "not needed" is not valid, because it fails to define the word "need" and therefore can be used against anything at all.

I'm making the argument that an ignore feature would simplify what we already do.

  • 07.30.2012 12:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Fix'd. Just sayin'.
Unconsiously: without awareness.

When I put a user on an ignore list, I am no longer aware of when I ignore the user's posts.

Subconsiously: From the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.

There is nothing subconscious about an ignore feature, as it has nothing to do with the portion of your mind you aren't fully aware of.

  • 07.30.2012 12:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: R0flc0pt3r

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! Respond to my much more compelling argument! Do it! Do it now!
He won't, cause he knows he's wrong.


I have brought up a compelling argument. I just don't care anymore, talking about this is like be trying to talk to a brick wall.

  • 07.30.2012 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: R0flc0pt3r

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! Respond to my much more compelling argument! Do it! Do it now!
He won't, cause he knows he's wrong.


I have brought up a compelling argument. I just don't care anymore, talking about this is like be trying to talk to a brick wall.
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  • 07.30.2012 12:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grimaldus
Posted by: spartain ken 15
If a dude is being a jerk so much where almost everyone ignores their posts, something is very wrong and the mods haven't been informed or simply don't want to deal with it.
See this right there? That has absolutely nothing to do with the common member whatsoever. This is how I envision this working...


>Click Report
>Click Ignore
Resume discussion in thread.

Users who spam decent threads are automatically cut out of the picture and that leaves the common member the peace of mind to continue discussing a topic.
Actually to devil's advocate a bit here, this actually could be consider a negative when it comes to ignoring. There are times when it is far more easy to ignore rather then going out of the way to report their posts then ignore, examples being that spammer last night. A possible work around to it though could be something along the line of a popup when you choose to ignore you can also choose to report as well.
Posted by: spartain ken 15
The thing about this feature that urks me is that people want to use it for the wrong reasons. No one's attitude or views change, no one learns to control their urges to be a jerk. I can understand if we were dealing with spammers it is applicable but with people not breaking any rules, ehh no.
I really think you're throwing this out of proportion. I only use ignoring scripts in the case of spammers and really, and I mean really obvious trolling attempts. I'm willing to bet that most would use it for the same reason as I. Sure, there may be some that may ignore just because they don't like you, but I don't see it being the majority.
Posted by: edableshoe
I'd just like to have this when those stupid spammers come along. It's really annoying having to scroll all the way down just to see the next posts.
This actually works as an example to back up my claim. This is a forum, where people come to discuss things. What discussion could be done if everyone blocked people with different opinions? None, as such this feature would not be used like that in the majority. A ignore feature would be beneficial because you can remove what has no discussion, like spam, from your sight. Anyone who would just use ignoring to remove a person's opinion is just hurting themselves, not you or me. People using it that way is no reason why we shouldn't have it.

The question is ultimately would you rather look at this or look at this?

  • 07.30.2012 12:48 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is amazing you need a script to block a user who didn't break any rules or who you think is annoying. This really makes me mad at how bad our community is sometimes.

You know what, I don't even care anymore, lets have an ignore user script.
Ken, the only reason you ever get so uppity in debates or discussions about ignore user or block user scripts or feature suggestions is that people in the thread constantly either say or imply that they would ignore or block you. It's getting to the point where you're transparent to the point where looking in your direction might have one wondering what is was they were supposed to be looking at.

The ignore user, censor user, or block user option, feature, or script is used when there is somebody you feel offers no legitimate discussion whenever they post. It's used when you've never seen any post by any user that has every contributed in any way to any discussion in a manner that didn't make you want to rip your hair out of your head so that your mind can focus on something less painful than reading said user's posts.

It's a completely legitimate way of ignoring a person.

Yes, we could just ignore the person. That much is obvious. Would you like to know what else we could guy by without?

-Hyperlinks
--You can just copy and paste the link into the URL bar above.

-Private Groups
--Just go to a Facebook group or offsite, organized forum, you nerds.

-Avatars
--Everyone already has a unique name, that should be enough.

-The golden Septagon next to threads employees have posted in.
--Just look through every thread yourself if you want to know.

-Mail Sacks
--Just let Bungie be dark. They don't owe anything to you.

But, you know what all of those things do, Ken? They make things easier. They make things less effort-requiring than they are in their most basic forms. And, most importantly of all, they improve each individual user's experience.

That is why the ignore feature is a legitimate feature. In fact, go ahead and not read the rest of that post. Just read the blue bit right there. Consider it a gift of TL;DR for you. You've earned it, skenny.

e: oh dear, that could've been bad.
Your TL;DR needs to be repaired. =)

  • 07.30.2012 2:33 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: R0flc0pt3r

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! Respond to my much more compelling argument! Do it! Do it now!
He won't, cause he knows he's wrong.


I have brought up a compelling argument. I just don't care anymore, talking about this is like be trying to talk to a brick wall.
Your argument is about as compelling as a person telling me to jump into a pit full of spikes because there's money at the bottom. (it sucks)

Your argument amounts to four words: "we don't need it"

I then showed you a cornucopia of other features and accessories that we don't need, and yet improve the user's personal experience on BNet.

I then outlined the fact that the feature is something meant to make a BNet user's experience better, and not (as you are implying) something being suggested under the guise that it performs a task otherwise unperformable (I.E. the PM system).

I disproved your main argument both by showing its ludicrousy even if it were applicable, and then explaining how it's completely inapplicable.

Your move, skenny.

P.S. @Grimaldus: the link is meant to create a blank page, it's just blue to draw Skens attention.

  • 07.30.2012 4:49 PM PDT

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You know that guy at school who hangs around with your friends, but isn't your friend? He's a pain in my backside and is generally an annoying nuisance to me! So I've decided that from now on I'm going to put an earphone in one of my ears, press shuffle on my ipod, and instead of listening to him when he speaks, i'll just concentrate on my fantabulous music playlist.

The beauty of this system is that I haven't forced anyone else to stop listening to him, nor have I stopped him from interacting with our group. The only thing that's changed is that there is one less person listening. It's a win win situation. If everyone else finds him annoying we can just block him out with our ipods and talk to each-other.

[/bad-analogy]

The great thing about an ignore feature is that it gives each user the ability to tailor their forum experience to their own liking. The ignored user hasn't been removed from the forums, nor has he had any posting ability restricted (which would be the case in a blacklisting). He gets to continue posting. And people get to moderate their own experience.

:-)

[Edited on 07.30.2012 5:38 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 5:37 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: defnop552
You know that guy at school who hangs around with your friends, but isn't your friend? He's a pain in my backside and is generally an annoying nuisance to me! So I've decided that from now on I'm going to put an earphone in one of my ears, press shuffle on my ipod, and instead of listening to him when he speaks, i'll just concentrate on my fantabulous music playlist.

The beauty of this system is that I haven't forced anyone else to stop listening to him, nor have I stopped him from interacting with our group. The only thing that's changed is that there is one less person listening. It's a win win situation. If everyone else finds him annoying we can just block him out with our ipods and talk to each-other.

[/bad-analogy]

The great thing about an ignore feature is that it gives each user the ability to tailor their forum experience to their own liking. The ignored user hasn't been removed from the forums, nor has he had any posting ability restricted (which would be the case in a blacklisting). He gets to continue posting. And people get to moderate their own experience.

:-)


That was rude of the Ipod guy.

Either way, text on a forum =/= talking. I think people get offended or upset really easy on here, there are times I get mad on here.

I still am not going to block someone out when they have something to say like a jerk. Treat others the way you want to be treated.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 6:01 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 5:41 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55Unlikely that he will acknowledge it.

  • 07.30.2012 5:44 PM PDT

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Bye.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
No offence but the ipod guy sounds like a total douche.

Either way, text on a forum =/= talking. I think people get offended or upset really easy on here, there are times I get mad on here.

I still am not going to block someone out when they have something to say like a jerk. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
You called me a douche. I am sad face now :-(

If text on a forum =/= talking, then why would you get mad? Maybe I'm being naive, but by disassociating text from anonymous users and talking, which has much more variables than text, shouldn't you be less inclined to get annoyed?

Anyways, I completely understand where you're coming from with "Treat others the way you want to be treated". It's a great philosophy. But just because people should do something doesn't mean that they will. For example, you have just said "Treat others the way you want to be treated" despite having called me a douche just before that, which did make me chuckle. :-)

Anyways, do you understand how some users might find an ignore feature might be useful? It's possible that you would ignore Munitions lll if you could ignore users.

  • 07.30.2012 5:54 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: defnop552
Posted by: spartain ken 15
No offence but the ipod guy sounds like a total douche.

Either way, text on a forum =/= talking. I think people get offended or upset really easy on here, there are times I get mad on here.

I still am not going to block someone out when they have something to say like a jerk. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
You called me a douche. I am sad face now :-(

If text on a forum =/= talking, then why would you get mad? Maybe I'm being naive, but by disassociating text from anonymous users and talking, which has much more variables than text, shouldn't you be less inclined to get annoyed?

Anyways, I completely understand where you're coming from with "Treat others the way you want to be treated". It's a great philosophy. But just because people should do something doesn't mean that they will. For example, you have just said "Treat others the way you want to be treated" despite having called me a douche just before that, which did make me chuckle. :-)

Anyways, do you understand how some users might find an ignore feature might be useful? It's possible that you would ignore Munitions lll if you could ignore users.


You never said it was you, you said it was an analogy (a fictional example), I never called you anything nor intended to call you anything. I do think it is rude to do that to people though.

Ignoring people on a text forum is easier than IRL and it does not need fancy features to do it.

[Edited on 07.30.2012 6:00 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 5:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
You never said it was you, you said it was an analogy (a fictional example), I never called you anything nor intended to call you anything. I do think it is rude to do that to people though.
Posted by: Me
You know that guy at school who hangs around with your friends, but isn't your friend? He's a pain in my backside and is generally an annoying nuisance to me! So I've decided that from now on I'm going to put an earphone in one of my ears, press shuffle on my ipod............
An analogy doesn't have to be fictional.
And don't worry, I know we're cool! :-)
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Ignoring people on a text forum is easier than IRL and it does not need fancy features to do it.
Just so we are both clear. Ignoring and not replying aren't the same thing.

When you ignore a user currently (using pure willpower!) you're still going to read their posts, whether you admit it or not. It's natural to read every post. Unless you aren't interested in the topic. But with an ignore feature, you won't be able to read what they post.

In conclusion: An ignore feature would actually be more useful for you when you're mentally ignoring someone as it eliminates the curiosity factor. You won't have the impulse to look at their posts because they aren't there.

Hiding cigarettes from someone giving up smoking is a lot more helpful than simply telling them to ignore the cigarettes in front of them.
[/betteranalogy]


[Edited on 07.30.2012 6:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.30.2012 6:15 PM PDT

Posted by: defnop552
In conclusion: An ignore feature would actually be more useful for you when you're mentally ignoring someone as it eliminates the curiosity factor. You won't have the impulse to look at their posts because they aren't there.
This is why I could see discussions becoming disjointed if people use an ignore feature excessively. Lots of people saying the same thing over and over again because they can't see the posts of someone they blocked over some disagreement or political orientation or whatever.

I can get the idea of blocking people spamming a forum so you don't have to scroll through endless posts of blank space until a mod gets there. Maybe I'm overreacting and this place won't turn into an "echo chamber" or something.

I would hope Achronos would monitor how many people are getting blocked as opposed to spam accounts and I guess we'll just see what happens in the forums if this comes to be.

  • 07.30.2012 6:25 PM PDT

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  • 07.30.2012 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Struvee
This is why I could see discussions becoming disjointed if people use an ignore feature excessively.
Achronos mentioned this point before, which you're probably aware of, where the forums are dead of activity; aside from dust and echoes.

I can't exactly say how the community would react, because I'm only one person. So it would be a real test in self regulation. If it ever did become as Achronos fears it could, he would probably just remove it.

  • 07.30.2012 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! The one with the terrible logic and even worse reason! Answer my posts! If they're so much worse than yours then they should be so easy to counter and my points should be so easy to cripple into insignificance that the effort required to do so would be infinitesimal to the point of microscopy.

The ball is in your court, just start -blam!- dribbling.

  • 07.30.2012 8:19 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: defnop552
Posted by: spartain ken 15
No offence but the ipod guy sounds like a total douche.

Either way, text on a forum =/= talking. I think people get offended or upset really easy on here, there are times I get mad on here.

I still am not going to block someone out when they have something to say like a jerk. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
You called me a douche. I am sad face now :-(

If text on a forum =/= talking, then why would you get mad? Maybe I'm being naive, but by disassociating text from anonymous users and talking, which has much more variables than text, shouldn't you be less inclined to get annoyed?

Anyways, I completely understand where you're coming from with "Treat others the way you want to be treated". It's a great philosophy. But just because people should do something doesn't mean that they will. For example, you have just said "Treat others the way you want to be treated" despite having called me a douche just before that, which did make me chuckle. :-)

Anyways, do you understand how some users might find an ignore feature might be useful? It's possible that you would ignore Munitions lll if you could ignore users.


You never said it was you, you said it was an analogy (a fictional example), I never called you anything nor intended to call you anything. I do think it is rude to do that to people though.

Ignoring people on a text forum is easier than IRL and it does not need fancy features to do it.


Again, with the "need" thing... haven't we been through that?

Teaching someone a life lesson is great if you're a teacher, but it's silly to expect people to learn it from this site. Sure, people should be able to ignore jerks without a feature, but often, they can't. So we give them a feature to help them. Not giving them this feature just "so they learn" is ridiculous.

  • 07.30.2012 9:43 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! The one with the terrible logic and even worse reason! Answer my posts! If they're so much worse than yours then they should be so easy to counter and my points should be so easy to cripple into insignificance that the effort required to do so would be infinitesimal to the point of microscopy.

The ball is in your court, just start -blam!- dribbling.
Priceless moments.

  • 07.30.2012 10:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Grimaldus
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! The one with the terrible logic and even worse reason! Answer my posts! If they're so much worse than yours then they should be so easy to counter and my points should be so easy to cripple into insignificance that the effort required to do so would be infinitesimal to the point of microscopy.

The ball is in your court, just start -blam!- dribbling.
Priceless moments.
I'm depressed. I'm beginning to think he's switched the ignore feature on me.

  • 07.31.2012 12:15 AM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Grimaldus
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Hey! Hey you! The one with the terrible logic and even worse reason! Answer my posts! If they're so much worse than yours then they should be so easy to counter and my points should be so easy to cripple into insignificance that the effort required to do so would be infinitesimal to the point of microscopy.

The ball is in your court, just start -blam!- dribbling.
Priceless moments.
I'm depressed. I'm beginning to think he's switched the ignore feature on me.
If that be the case then he's a hypocrite in my book.

  • 07.31.2012 12:47 AM PDT

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We could all just read the nearly year old thread and be none the wiser. Must we repeat ourselves ad infinitum?

  • 07.31.2012 1:23 AM PDT

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I'm not sure if this is all that necessary. It's a neat idea but as Mr. Wolf said, it's better to just learn to ignore various people.

  • 07.31.2012 8:54 AM PDT
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I respect the individual user's desire to want to block out specific content, but I don't see this feature as being able to adhere to a model like this forum. A lot of you have used social media examples as support for this feature. There is an inherent difference between these examples and a forum thread. Mostly that these are within a thread, and the social media features would ignore complete threads instead of their components.

Have you ever gone on a YouTube video, looked at the comments, and seen a thread hidden for spam? If you're not immediately wondering what it is, you'll probably see a bunch of vague replies to the comment, where you click to see what they're replying to and it's that same censored post once again. Eventually, it's hard not to feel like you need to know what it says to know what the heck anyone is talking about.

In a forum structure, unless someone is breaking the rules, every post is part of the conversation. They aren't really individual components. They are braided together. When you block all posts by a given user, would you not often see their post quoted anyway a few posts down? Would it not be strange to see a post devoid of quotes but referencing a post you never saw, or to see the thread moving in another direction for no apparent reason? Wouldn't it be annoying to post something only to realize that someone said the same thing already 3 pages back but you were ignoring their posts?

I just don't think the feature fits the format.

The problem in my eyes is that this feature would be proactive. I think an ignore feature would work great if it only allowed you to ignore individual posts as you see them. That way you still gain the full context of the thread, but if you see a rulebreaking post, or a really obnoxious post, you can ignore it so you'll no longer see it when you visit the thread in the future. In the same vein, you could ignore without worry posts by others in which they exclusively reply to your target "ignore" post, and you can do this because you don't have to just block the user forever. This alternative method keeps full thread context, gives users a chance for redemption, and still allows for custom control over what you want to see.

/twocents

  • 07.31.2012 9:31 AM PDT