Bungie.net Community
This topic has moved here: Subject: "Censor User" Option
  • Subject: "Censor User" Option
Subject: "Censor User" Option

Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.

  • 07.31.2012 10:09 AM PDT

Key


Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.
It's also not hard to identify people without avatars, copy and paste links into your Address Bar, and start a Facebook group in lieu of PGs.

  • 07.31.2012 10:46 AM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

I like to see that my thread (completely inadvertently) started all this discussion.

OT: I'd like to see the feature implemented, to be honest. It appears difficult to integrate, however.

  • 07.31.2012 10:50 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Exalted Unexplainable Member

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.

It would be useful if reporting a post immediately collapsed it.

  • 07.31.2012 10:51 AM PDT

i c u thar c' ing my signiture

Yours in _Kai_

This thread is completely unnecessary. This is the Internet, and because of this people can't get along with everyone. We (and I'm using the word "we" for the community, webteam, and mods) need not to put a "cast on a small scratch" per say. There will always be trolls, there will always be people who you won't get along with. We need to grow up and learn to deal with people that we may not mesh with. There is no need for this silly censorship.

  • 07.31.2012 11:07 AM PDT

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.
Yet it's really hard to "move on" when the spam is everywhere. Just sayin.

  • 07.31.2012 4:51 PM PDT

Posted by: arch4ng13
This thread is completely unnecessary. This is the Internet, and because of this people can't get along with everyone. We (and I'm using the word "we" for the community, webteam, and mods) need not to put a "cast on a small scratch" per say. There will always be trolls, there will always be people who you won't get along with. We need to grow up and learn to deal with people that we may not mesh with. There is no need for this silly censorship.
Your right...and because this is the internet and because we'll never be rid of them is why we need a feature that DOES let us be rid of them.

  • 07.31.2012 4:52 PM PDT

The WorkPLace

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Not that I wouldn't use such a feature, but I have become quite accustomed to ignoring a certain few individuals.
It works.

  • 07.31.2012 5:00 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.
It would be useful if reporting a post immediately collapsed it.
Just to make sure that this debate follows the exact same course:
No, that'd be a bad idea because then people would think: "Ooh, this guy posted something I don't like and I don't want to see it, so I'll report him..."
And then the mods will be flooded with people reporting "Cod r bettuh then BF", "Mastur cheef would pwn goku" etc.

  • 08.01.2012 4:22 AM PDT

Posted by: Domi 233
Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Its really not hard to ignore people. And if they are posting spam ect them report it and move on.
It would be useful if reporting a post immediately collapsed it.
Just to make sure that this debate follows the exact same course:
No, that'd be a bad idea because then people would think: "Ooh, this guy posted something I don't like and I don't want to see it, so I'll report him..."
And then the mods will be flooded with people reporting "Cod r bettuh then BF", "Mastur cheef would pwn goku" etc.
For this feature to work it has to affect your own view and no one else. also, feel free to utilize the Angry Marine for dealing with those threads.

[Edited on 08.01.2012 4:29 AM PDT]

  • 08.01.2012 4:28 AM PDT

Posted by: Struvee
Well, I was making tacos so, I'm not sure about the other guys.

I live in a community full of individuals from different backgrounds. I join together with these people though summer events, fall festivals, neighborhood watch programs, and the like. Understandably, when I come into contact with all of these people there are some I dislike. There are some I loathe. Thankfully these people are a minority.

Honestly, I do find myself wondering how I can avoid these people. I'm sure most of you would agree that is natural. I find that if I think about it long enough I come to the conclusion that there is nothing that can, or should, be done to change the fact that these people live in my community.

It is their right to participate in the community's events. It is their right to join the community association meetings where they can voice their opinion and discuss the opinion of others. When I find myself in the presence of these members I don't actively engage them. I find that listening and not speaking is the best tactic to use when John Doe spouts out political garbage when the topic is trash pickup. I may smile at the irony but I keep my mouth shut. This is not a new tactic. Just the one I employ.

At this point I'm sure you can see the analogy I am making. While my analogy is not perfect I believe it fits well. I believe the community here would benefit from more listening and less engaging on topics that have been beaten to death over the years. Complaining about users who are not actively harming the community benefits no one. Lets face it, banal topics and threads full of off the wall ideas do not harm this community. I may dislike them and you may loathe them however they are not a danger to this community. Harm to the community comes from threatening other members, demeaning others, or purposeful spam that clogs actual discussion of any value. The moderation team is tasked to handle these issues and they almost always do an excellent job. I believe it is in our best interest as users to report the harmful stuff, and not engage the people we dislike. To be clear, not engaging does not equate to censoring. I do not support a censor user option. I believe that just like in my actual community everyone here has a right to be heard.

  • 08.01.2012 6:17 AM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

It amuses me that I've personally brought up this idea a few times, revising it each time in hopes to suit the needs of those of the stance that "it's easy to ignore people" only to continue to hear the same old argument. While it's true for some(most?) of us, myself included (been doing it for more than 4 years on here), I find an "ignore user" option to be tailored for those who do not find it as easy to do as the rest of us and gives them an out in stead of leading them to do something stupid. Like flaming.

We can't expect everyone to have the same level of self-control and tolerance as the rest of us. Why not at least give those people lacking such resolve a way to help control it? I've been part of other community forums that have an ignore feature and discussion seems to keep on as normal with no apparent drop in activity level. I mean this use to/still is a common feature to find on most forums so obviously it can't be too debilitating, if at all.

My personal opinion of a functional ignore option would only minimize the ignored user's posts like it already does when a post is reported too many times. Just this would always be permanent for that user and only on your end. Such would allow you to glance at a post if you chose to, perhaps leading you realize that a particular user has changed, or maybe the reason you ignored them was a one time deal and you could remove them from your ignore list. A list what would be easily manageable from either clicking a link next to one of their posts or accessible through the user control page.

  • 08.01.2012 7:17 AM PDT

Posted by: Specter Wolf
It amuses me that I've personally brought up this idea a few times, revising it each time in hopes to suit the needs of those of the stance that "it's easy to ignore people" only to continue to hear the same old argument. While it's true for some(most?) of us, myself included (been doing it for more than 4 years on here), I find an "ignore user" option to be tailored for those who do not find it as easy to do as the rest of us and gives them an out in stead of leading them to do something stupid. Like flaming.

We can't expect everyone to have the same level of self-control and tolerance as the rest of us. Why not at least give those people lacking such resolve a way to help control it? I've been part of other community forums that have an ignore feature and discussion seems to keep on as normal with no apparent drop in activity level. I mean this use to/still is a common feature to find on most forums so obviously it can't be too debilitating, if at all.

My personal opinion of a functional ignore option would only minimize the ignored user's posts like it already does when a post is reported too many times. Just this would always be permanent for that user and only on your end. Such would allow you to glance at a post if you chose to, perhaps leading you realize that a particular user has changed, or maybe the reason you ignored them was a one time deal and you could remove them from your ignore list. A list what would be easily manageable from either clicking a link next to one of their posts or accessible through the user control page.
Transmitted my thoughts nicely, well done. For me, I have a short fuse...and anything that helps alleviate some of that stress is a welcome thing indeed.

[Edited on 08.02.2012 2:38 AM PDT]

  • 08.02.2012 2:36 AM PDT

Average Joe l Youtube Channel l Twitter
Fools react, masters respond

~B.B.

Posted by: Craigkong
It is their right to participate in the community's events. It is their right to join the community association meetings where they can voice their opinion and discuss the opinion of others. When I find myself in the presence of these members I don't actively engage them. I find that listening and not speaking is the best tactic to use when John Doe spouts out political garbage when the topic is trash pickup. I may smile at the irony but I keep my mouth shut. This is not a new tactic. Just the one I employ.
Hearing and listening are two separate things. What's the point of hearing what John Doe says if you're not going to listen anyways? You're more or less censoring his opinion in your own way, what's it to you if I censor him by different means? The end result is the same.
Complaining about users who are not actively harming the community benefits no one. Lets face it, banal topics and threads full of off the wall ideas do not harm this community. I may dislike them and you may loathe them however they are not a danger to this community. Harm to the community comes from threatening other members, demeaning others, or purposeful spam that clogs actual discussion of any value. The moderation team is tasked to handle these issues and they almost always do an excellent job. I believe it is in our best interest as users to report the harmful stuff, and not engage the people we dislike. To be clear, not engaging does not equate to censoring. I do not support a censor user option. I believe that just like in my actual community everyone here has a right to be heard.If there is an individual causing the community harm the moderators will deal with it, but this feature is not about users who harm the community. This isn't about the Bungie.net community at all. Bungie.net has never had a good or broad sense of community, but rather it's dominated by sub-communities. To put it simply, the 'right to be heard' by the community at large is not an adequate reason to deny this feature of existence. I feel no obligation to the community to read or see individuals that detract from my experience.

~Hawk

  • 08.02.2012 10:46 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Exalted Unexplainable Member

Posted by: Domi 233
Posted by: Izak609
It would be useful if reporting a post immediately collapsed it.
Just to make sure that this debate follows the exact same course:
No, that'd be a bad idea because then people would think: "Ooh, this guy posted something I don't like and I don't want to see it, so I'll report him..."

And then he'll get himself banned for spamming the report button and achieve nothing but hiding a bunch of posts from himself. For abuse, that sounds like it would simply help tell the moderators who's the bad nut even quicker.

And then the mods will be flooded with people reporting "Cod r bettuh then BF", "Mastur cheef would pwn goku" etc.
I think you don't know how the report button works. We already have it, you know. And it already hides the post for everyone, once enough people report it. And it takes a certain amount of reports to put the post in the report queue. So what's the problem with making it so it simply hides the post from only the person who reported it, instantly?

  • 08.02.2012 11:10 AM PDT

Original Account-Sargeantomeg4-Intrepid Mythic Member-01/06/08 to 02/29/12

I like it.

  • 08.02.2012 9:03 PM PDT

Perpetual Ninja in training.

"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."

DMH

Los Paranoias


Posted by: Sergeant omega
I like it.
Best post on this page.

+1

  • 08.02.2012 9:10 PM PDT

Why not stop by my File Share while you're here?

~Long Live Halo 2
Only regret is I didn't play more of it.

If you haven't noticed by now, I'm sort of a jerk.

How? The ignored poster wouldn't be able to tell if they're ignore, and anyone who wants to can ignore people that are detrimental to the forums, but don't actually break any rules.
Posted by: Struvee
Sounds like a bad idea.

  • 08.03.2012 8:20 AM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.

Sounds like a good idea. I don't know how anyone could disagree with this, really.

  • 08.03.2012 10:21 AM PDT

<3

i agree, sounds like you could model it off of XBOX live's mute system, you could also incorporate a reputation system to warn people if certain members are more prone to make stupid decisions posting wise.

  • 08.03.2012 10:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Unfounded Lies
I think you fear being blocked, considering all the fuss you make about it, paired with the whole "hide spartain ken 15" script fiasco. If a user gets angry over being blocked by so many people, odds are they'd try and fix their behavior.
But at that point it's already too late, how many people do you seriously think are going to be forgiving enough to actually clean out their block lists? If they don't have the guts to deal with someone that they don't like, I doubt that they have the guts to forgive them a month or so down the line.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The ball is in your court, just start -blam!- dribbling.
I wasn't aware that you dribble in Tennis...

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Sounds like a good idea. I don't know how anyone could disagree with this, really.
I can find myself disagreeing with it quite easily. If this feature had been around when I first started using Bungie.net, I strongly feel that I would not be the member that I am today.

Back then I was quite a bit of a fanboy, and there were plenty of people who pissed me off, a lot of people who I felt were Trolls for bashing my favorite game. If there was an ignore feature, I would definitely have taken advantage of that to eliminate every single dissenting opinion. But because that feature didn't exist back then, I had to put up with those critics, and do you know what I found? There were some ideas that they said that I couldn't disagree with. No matter how abrasive that person was, no matter how much of a jerk they were in the past, the core of their message was something I found myself agreeing with.

I heard new viewpoints, I revised my own beliefs, and I grew as a member. Turns out that discussing the pros and the cons of a game is way more interesting than just mindlessly promoting that game, and I would never have discovered that Joy if I was able to censor my experience by constructing an echo chamber where all I could hear was echos of my own voice.

Heck, I know quite a few cool people on this site. But what are the chances that people like Burritosenior or Spawn031 have never offended me once in the past? What if I had stuck them on my ignore list for a single grievance and never got to interact with them again? That would have been terrible...

Should we sacrifice the potential growth of a member for a moment of immediate convenience? Should we fracture our grand community into a dozen echo chambers where we only hear what we want to hear? I personally don't think it's worth it. Jerks happen, and only by dealing with them yourself will you grow as a person.

  • 08.03.2012 11:18 AM PDT

Posted by: HylebosWhat if I have no interest in "growing" as a member? What if I just want to come here occasionally and chat with others about Bungie's latest game? Should it really matter if I want to block out what someone else has to say? Why does it matter to anybody else? Why am I going to want to stay here on this site if I have to keep reading some jerk's opinion I don't care for?

Posted by: Hylebos
Back then I was quite a bit of a fanboy, and there were plenty of people who pissed me off, a lot of people who I felt were Trolls for bashing my favorite game.
I think we also both know there were quite a lot of members who were driven away from this site/back into private groups because of these similar kinds of people. Consider what an ignore function would have done for them 4/5 years ago.

  • 08.03.2012 11:59 AM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: Hylebos

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Sounds like a good idea. I don't know how anyone could disagree with this, really.


Back then I was quite a bit of a fanboy, and there were plenty of people who pissed me off, a lot of people who I felt were Trolls for bashing my favorite game. If there was an ignore feature, I would definitely have taken advantage of that to eliminate every single dissenting opinion. But because that feature didn't exist back then, I had to put up with those critics, and do you know what I found? There were some ideas that they said that I couldn't disagree with. No matter how abrasive that person was, no matter how much of a jerk they were in the past, the core of their message was something I found myself agreeing with.

I heard new viewpoints, I revised my own beliefs, and I grew as a member. Turns out that discussing the pros and the cons of a game is way more interesting than just mindlessly promoting that game, and I would never have discovered that Joy if I was able to censor my experience by constructing an echo chamber where all I could hear was echos of my own voice.

Heck, I know quite a few cool people on this site. But what are the chances that people like Burritosenior or Spawn031 have never offended me once in the past? What if I had stuck them on my ignore list for a single grievance and never got to interact with them again? That would have been terrible...


The fact that some people might overuse such a feature does not mean that it ought not to be available to the community. It is your responsibility to use it wisely.

Posted by: Hylebos
Should we sacrifice the potential growth of a member for a moment of immediate convenience? Should we fracture our grand community into a dozen echo chambers where we only hear what we want to hear? I personally don't think it's worth it. Jerks happen, and only by dealing with them yourself will you grow as a person.


Please. I'm not here to "grow as a person". I'm here for my own entertainment. If people interrupt that by being morons, I'd like the option of not having to see their idiocy.

[Edited on 08.03.2012 12:17 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2012 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Heliossoileh1

Posted by: Hylebos

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Sounds like a good idea. I don't know how anyone could disagree with this, really.


Back then I was quite a bit of a fanboy, and there were plenty of people who pissed me off, a lot of people who I felt were Trolls for bashing my favorite game. If there was an ignore feature, I would definitely have taken advantage of that to eliminate every single dissenting opinion. But because that feature didn't exist back then, I had to put up with those critics, and do you know what I found? There were some ideas that they said that I couldn't disagree with. No matter how abrasive that person was, no matter how much of a jerk they were in the past, the core of their message was something I found myself agreeing with.

I heard new viewpoints, I revised my own beliefs, and I grew as a member. Turns out that discussing the pros and the cons of a game is way more interesting than just mindlessly promoting that game, and I would never have discovered that Joy if I was able to censor my experience by constructing an echo chamber where all I could hear was echos of my own voice.

Heck, I know quite a few cool people on this site. But what are the chances that people like Burritosenior or Spawn031 have never offended me once in the past? What if I had stuck them on my ignore list for a single grievance and never got to interact with them again? That would have been terrible...


The fact that some people might overuse such a feature does not mean that it ought not to be available to the community. It is your responsibility to use it wisely.

Posted by: Hylebos
Should we sacrifice the potential growth of a member for a moment of immediate convenience? Should we fracture our grand community into a dozen echo chambers where we only hear what we want to hear? I personally don't think it's worth it. Jerks happen, and only by dealing with them yourself will you grow as a person.


Please. I'm not here to "grow as a person". I'm here for my own entertainment. If people interrupt that by being morons, I'd like the option of not having to see their idiocy.
This, I am not here to improve my people skills. So this "learning to ignore" crap is just pointless.

  • 08.03.2012 9:10 PM PDT