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Subject: Why Are People So Opposed to the Halo Books?
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I'm just curious- there are all these threads saying "THERE WONT BE ANY SPARTANS OMG!!!11!!", and I'm just curious as to why people are so offended at the suggestion that there might be more to the Halo story than meets the eye.

Now, I don't think that EVERYTHING from the books is going to pop up- but let's be reasonable- things have popped up from the books before, and they probably will again. Why are people so angry about books that they haven't even read?

  • 06.16.2006 8:42 PM PDT

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  • 06.16.2006 8:43 PM PDT
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They don't support their theories.

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I cannot answer for everyone, for i am one of the few that actually has read them. It is not that I am opposed to the books, it is that after Bungie preaching that the MC is the last hope, and after what various Bungie employees have said there just simply shouldn't be any new Spartans. One of the major breakers is the fact Bungie already said there will be no more characters.

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I've read the books ad i loved them but i'm pretty sure that "The dude" himself announced that there would be no new spartans because only the hardcore fans would understand who they are and where they were in the first 2 games.

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People wh oare afraid of the Halo books are either "newbies" to the Halo universe..don't care..or simply, aren't old (or intelligent) enough to read them.

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you have a good point but the books were made after the game, so its more like things from the game popped up in the books, not things from the books popped into the games. what i'm saying is, if there's a common element in the books and games, its because the author (Nylund or Dietz) got it from the game (or Halo Bible). So there could very well be more spartans, but then again it could be an added thing that's exclusive to the books.

i think we should all just wait. speculating is fun but there's no need to flip over the books/games relation.

  • 06.16.2006 8:49 PM PDT

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I wouldn't, however, hold it against Bungie to have more Spartans in the Halo movie.. Since Frankie did say something along the lines of: "The movie will gear more towards the hardcore Halo fans, and less towards the casual gamer." (not word for word)

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I've read the books ad i loved them but i'm pretty sure that "The dude" himself announced that there would be no new spartans because only the hardcore fans would understand who they are and where they were in the first 2 games.
Exactly what I have been saying all day. Everyone just seems to deny it. Honestly, is not having any other Spartans to steal the spotlight from Master Chief such a big deal?

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I think it is because they don't want to have to read the books obviously, but this is because they realize that the games are the original medium making it the over ruling power. It's like being forced to read a Star Wars book to understand the movies, but that is just wrong because the books are the expanded universe, and unless you're interested in that you shoudn't have to read the books to get the game (atleast not fully understand). I am not against the books, I have them, but pray the movies are not based on them (vote here ). But the books are not very well written.

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There needs to be more Spartans.

Earth is going to need every man, woman, and Spartan they can get for the final battle. It also needs to be believable.

The Master Chief alone against a completely conquered Earth is not realistic and would make him seem to be invicible, this is a darker Halo.

We need the other four AT LEAST.

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I wouldn't, however, hold it against Bungie to have more Spartans in the Halo movie.. Since Frankie did say something along the lines of: "The movie will gear more towards the hardcore Halo fans, and less towards the casual gamer." (not word for word)
Most certainly. I would not oppose having more Spartans in the movie one bit. I firmly believe that the movie should be based off of the books, not the game.

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I don't think spartans should be in the games (and possibly the movies) because it breaks away from the awsome power of the Masterchief, it will make him seem less of a hero or main character.

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I read the Fall of Reach, and I liked it. The other two were just "meh."
I am "opposed" to the books because I don't like the way they expand on Halo's story. It's a good concept and everything, but it would be nice if a person didn't have to read three books and play three games to get the gist of one plot.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
There needs to be more Spartans.

Earth is going to need every man, woman, and Spartan they can get for the final battle. It also needs to be believable.

The Master Chief alone against a completely conquered Earth is not realistic and would make him seem to be invicible, this is a darker Halo.

We need the other four AT LEAST.
What about the Grunts, Hunters and Elites that will be joining the Human side? The Human and Covenant separatists will do fine against the Covenant.

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Posted by: SS_Zag1
I wouldn't, however, hold it against Bungie to have more Spartans in the Halo movie.. Since Frankie did say something along the lines of: "The movie will gear more towards the hardcore Halo fans, and less towards the casual gamer." (not word for word)
Most certainly. I would not oppose having more Spartans in the movie one bit. I firmly believe that the movie should be based off of the books, not the game.
I thank you heretic you saved me some typing.

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
There needs to be more Spartans.

Earth is going to need every man, woman, and Spartan they can get for the final battle. It also needs to be believable.

The Master Chief alone against a completely conquered Earth is not realistic and would make him seem to be invicible, this is a darker Halo.

We need the other four AT LEAST.
What about the Grunts, Hunters and Elites that will be joining the Human side? The Human and Covenant separatists will do fine against the Covenant.
omfg and again i thank you! but niow i have to type more anyway.... stupid anti spam filter...

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
Posted by: SS_Zag1
I wouldn't, however, hold it against Bungie to have more Spartans in the Halo movie.. Since Frankie did say something along the lines of: "The movie will gear more towards the hardcore Halo fans, and less towards the casual gamer." (not word for word)
Most certainly. I would not oppose having more Spartans in the movie one bit. I firmly believe that the movie should be based off of the books, not the game.


I'm actually hoping they make Fall of Reach a movie.. It's got an incredible plot and great chracters. :)

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Eddie in reguards to your sig..Look at BF2MC...24 players..on dedicated servers..there's no lag (and not much noticable latency) at all..it's great....32 would very much be possible..look at all the money the Halo series is making compared to the Battlefield series..Dedicated servers to run matchmaking will be a great thing to do, and shouldn't be too hard..

Also, the books and games are both part of the Halo universe. Books = cannon to the story, they are taken straight from the Halo bible JUST like the Halo games are.

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Eddie in reguards to your sig..Look at BF2MC...24 players..on dedicated servers..there's no lag (and not much noticable latency) at all..it's great....32 would very much be possible..look at all the money the Halo series is making compared to the Battlefield series..Dedicated servers to run matchmaking will be a great thing to do, and shouldn't be too hard..

Also, the books and games are both part of the Halo universe. Books = cannon to the story, they are taken straight from the Halo bible JUST like the Halo games are.
I agree. Dedicated servers for Halo 3 is not out of the question in the least. Bungie are already preparing dedicated servers for Halo 2: Vista.

  • 06.16.2006 9:02 PM PDT

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And yes. I understand how pathetic that is, but nobody reads these things anyway... right?

I've read the books, and I think they're pretty good.

That being said, I would like to state why I don't believe anything from the books will be included. I remember reading a while back (a long while back (in one of bungie's news posts), that the books are based in the 'Halo Universe', nothing more. If I remember correctly, they stated that bungie didn't have anything to do with the writing of the books, except for explaining the general concept of halo and giving them a timeline of what happens in the game(s). Also, that there was no revelance or Bungie planning in the books, other than what was stated above. Therefor, the storyline planning of the authors might (and probably is) at least slightly different than what Bungie has in mind.

I'm 75% positive I read something to the gist of what I wrote above... I'm not completely sure though.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Eddie in reguards to your sig..Look at BF2MC...24 players..on dedicated servers..there's no lag (and not much noticable latency) at all..it's great....32 would very much be possible..look at all the money the Halo series is making compared to the Battlefield series..Dedicated servers to run matchmaking will be a great thing to do, and shouldn't be too hard..

Also, the books and games are both part of the Halo universe. Books = cannon to the story, they are taken straight from the Halo bible JUST like the Halo games are.
yeah i have battlefield 2 I would love bungie to have dedicated servers in halo 3 but im not going to hold my breath for them.. thats why my sig is there.

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Posted by: SkierLegend809
I've read the books, and I think they're pretty good.

That being said, I would like to state why I don't believe anything from the books will be included. I remember reading a while back (a long while back (in one of bungie's news posts), that the books are based in the 'Halo Universe', nothing more. If I remember correctly, they stated that bungie didn't have anything to do with the writing of the books, except for explaining the general concept of halo and giving them a timeline of what happens in the game(s). Also, that there was no revelance or Bungie planning in the books, other than what was stated above. Therefor, the storyline planning of the authors might (and probably is) at least slightly different than what Bungie has in mind.

I'm 75% positive I read something to the gist of what I wrote above... I'm not completely sure though.

It has been stated by Joe Staten, that the books are cannon to the Halo Games, because both games, and all 3 novels come from the same Halo bible. They are one in the same.


* Tartarus
* The Arbiter
* The Prophet of Truth
* Lord Hood

* The Covenant Flagship; Ascendant Justice

* Covenant A.I.s

* Race: Prophets
* Race: Brutes

* Cortana; going whacky (it's hinted at at the end of H2, and in the H3 trailer)

* Johnson; Escaped Halo's blast

* Battle Rifle
* Brute shot
* SMG
* Magnum
* Archer missile pods
* Orbital MAC cannons

* New feature: Dual Wielding

* Time warping crystal; we experience it's effects in Halo 2.

* Ships; dual core, spinning reactors as seen on the PoA; not mentioned in the game but in the book

* Slipspace; jumping from inside an atmosphere

Point is, things from the books will be implemented, and will not need a huge intro. Look at Tartarus, or the Arbiter, or the Prophets

Common sense can tell us most of how and who they are; a cinematic will explain the rest.

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Posted by: SkierLegend809
I've read the books, and I think they're pretty good.

That being said, I would like to state why I don't believe anything from the books will be included. I remember reading a while back (a long while back (in one of bungie's news posts), that the books are based in the 'Halo Universe', nothing more. If I remember correctly, they stated that bungie didn't have anything to do with the writing of the books, except for explaining the general concept of halo and giving them a timeline of what happens in the game(s). Also, that there was no revelance or Bungie planning in the books, other than what was stated above. Therefor, the storyline planning of the authors might (and probably is) at least slightly different than what Bungie has in mind.

I'm 75% positive I read something to the gist of what I wrote above... I'm not completely sure though.


What you just "said" is all bull-blam!-.

1. Joseph Staten has confirmed that he has closely collaborated with Eric Nylund's work on First Strike while writing the story for Halo 2.

2. The above list are only a few of the people, places, and things that are mentioned in First Strike that make an appearance in Halo 2. The Spartans are not far behind in this fashion.

3. Once again, the books are the official set-up for Halo 1 and Halo 2.

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