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Posted by: sycomunkee
I DONT GIVE A FLYING F***K ABOUT YOUR DAMN THEORIES, THE MC WILL BE THE ONLY SPARTAN IN THE GAME, YOU BLATENTLY RETARDED INDIVIDUAL.

IF OTHER SPARTANS WERE IN THE GAME, SHOULDNT THEY HAVE HELPED OR HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BY NOW?

EARTH AND LIFE BEING DESICRATED IN THE UNIVERSE IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL, I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MENTIONED WHERE THEY OTHER SPARTANS WERE.

THEY HAVENT THOUGH, DO YOU KNOW WHY


BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST IN THE DAMN GAME.


Please stop using caps. You're a disgrace to the psycho monkey name. (even though you spelled it weird)

Posted by: The Pheonix
" you can just look at the books. On Halo: The Fall of Reach, it says, "The official prequel to the award-winning Xbox game!". On Halo: The Flood, it says, "The official novel of the award-winning Xbox game!". And last but not least, Halo: First Strike, it says, "Continuing the saga of the award-winning Xbox game!".

It clearly says that these novel are the official stories to Award-winning Xbox game!, which is Halo: Combat Evolved."
[url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=7380309[/ url] go here idiot


Those statements are to get more sales, I'm pretty sure. And why would someone affiliated with Bungie, like Shishka, (even if they aren't an employee, which I'm not sure about) say something so important about Halo 3 if they weren't sure about it?

  • 06.17.2006 8:16 AM PDT
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Halo Story Page: Would the books make the cut?


Joseph Staten: The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon. In the future we may choose to revise or flat-out ignore some of the less appealing ideas (Johnson's biological immunity to the Flood, for example), but folks should treat them as defining elements of the Halo universe.

LOL, now look at this, it clearly says treat it as can, and its JS saying that, a person who has great influence on the entire halo universe.

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stating that there will be spartans in halo 3 is a retarded idea in the first place. There has been no spartans EVER mentioned in the game, nor has there been any information denying there existance. But what there is, is information that this is a one man army, its what is supose to be portrayed. The last remaining bad @$$.

And if you want to rely on the books so much, here is some info from the book "The Flood"
The Flood
See also: Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo: The Flood
As Earth fought a losing war against the Covenant, the UNSC High Command developed a last-ditch plan to capture a Covenant High Prophet, who they hoped could be used in order to barter a truce. Before this mission could be put into action, Reach, the staging ground for the operation and the centre of naval operations, was attacked. The majority of the SPARTANs were diverted to Reach's surface to defend groundside installations and the fusion reactors for the MAC guns in orbit. The Master Chief was sent along with two other SPARTANs, Linda and James, to destroy a small Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) stealth ship so that the vessel's navigation info, which could lead the Covenant to Earth, would not fall into enemy hands. As the UNSC fleet, the Marines and SPARTANs defending Reach were being destroyed, the Master Chief managed to complete his mission and return to the Pillar of Autumn. However, James was lost in deep space and Linda was placed into a cryo chamber aboard the Pillar of Autumn after being severely wounded in action. Knowing Reach was lost, the Pillar of Autumn plotted a random course as per the Cole Protocol. The Master Chief, seemingly the last SPARTAN alive, went into cryo sleep along with the Autumn's crew, standard operating procedure for slipspace jumps. As Reach's rivers turned to steam and the land became molten slag as a result of the Covenant's orbital bombardment, a few SPARTANs managed to escape and hide in the one area that was not being targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo)

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you KNOW! wow tell me when did Joe Staten tell you that or pete parsons? or do you THINK you want to believe there will be no spartans, heres also a little thing of a hint more spartans might be in halo 3...On metropolis the marine says "wow, i didnt think they'd send A spartan" meaning that he isnt alone he says A spartan instead of THE spartan.

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i created my sycomunkee name, i have it on XBL as well as anyother place i choose to use it. Dont tell me how i will or will not disgrace my name.

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sycomunkee you said "to all those that think the game is based off the books" no-one said that...do you know what canon means? it means they are connected and promote similar -nearly consistent ideas (in this case, of the halo universe).

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I see where more spartans could tie in, but with them all being injured or missing, i dont think they will at all be part of the Halo story, 600 years of information is a lot, maybe the other spartans are after the trilogy, but not during halo. They have nothing to do with the Halo story where they are now.

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This is a touchy subject for me.
Isn't the Fall of Reach a quintessential part of this story, at least parts of it? Many of the elements from Halo 2 are drawn from what transpired before HCE. The Flood, it's true, just adds some flavor; answering questions like: "Where does Foehammer park?" and "Where do all these marines keep coming from?"
Don't get me started on how First Strike and Halo 2 work together. But even then with all that continuity there are stil no additional Spartans to be seen in Halo 2.
Whether or not someone is wrong in saying there will be more Spartans to come won't be known for sure until we are all playing Halo 3. But I don't believe that the advent of more Spartans is essential to dogma-like contribution to the storyline these books make. After all, the books don't say Halo 3 will have Spartans, the fans do.

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I try to be as careful as i can not to say the wrong thing, so you must too instead of wildely and blatently saying these things, you notice all i argued is that there may or may not be spartans, and that the books ARE in canon to the game, not that the game is based off the books.

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ok people always knew that the books were based off the games. i have never seen someone say the otherway around. why is it that people think that they can tell people not to believe something? if people think that there is a chance that more spartans will be in halo 3 then let them. i do too. there is nothing saying that there isnt a chance. also, the part about there being a reference from the books that was in the games.....did anyone pay attention to the beginning award ceremony in halo 2 or were you too confused because they were talking about reach. Reach was not spoken about in halo CE as far as i remember. lastly, if spartans are brouht into the game, that doesnt mean people will be confused. i cant really explain it but, it isnt too confusing just if some characters are added that are in the books. People should really stop telling people that they cant beleive there will be more spartans in halo 3. if you dont believe it, then good for you, and if thy argue that they know there will be and you should believe it, then be the better person and listen why they T-H-I-N-K so and tell them why you T-H-I-N-K there wont be. at this point, most of everything is just speculation and ideas, meaning very little can be bakced up with hard facts. An opinion is an opinion, not a fact. A fact is a fact, not an opinion. Dont confuse the two just because you believe one way or the other.

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Posted by: sycomunkee
stating that there will be spartans in halo 3 is a retarded idea in the first place. There has been no spartans EVER mentioned in the game, nor has there been any information denying there existance. But what there is, is information that this is a one man army, its what is supose to be portrayed. The last remaining bad @$$.

And if you want to rely on the books so much, here is some info from the book "The Flood"
The Flood
See also: Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo: The Flood
As Earth fought a losing war against the Covenant, the UNSC High Command developed a last-ditch plan to capture a Covenant High Prophet, who they hoped could be used in order to barter a truce. Before this mission could be put into action, Reach, the staging ground for the operation and the centre of naval operations, was attacked. The majority of the SPARTANs were diverted to Reach's surface to defend groundside installations and the fusion reactors for the MAC guns in orbit. The Master Chief was sent along with two other SPARTANs, Linda and James, to destroy a small Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) stealth ship so that the vessel's navigation info, which could lead the Covenant to Earth, would not fall into enemy hands. As the UNSC fleet, the Marines and SPARTANs defending Reach were being destroyed, the Master Chief managed to complete his mission and return to the Pillar of Autumn. However, James was lost in deep space and Linda was placed into a cryo chamber aboard the Pillar of Autumn after being severely wounded in action. Knowing Reach was lost, the Pillar of Autumn plotted a random course as per the Cole Protocol. The Master Chief, seemingly the last SPARTAN alive, went into cryo sleep along with the Autumn's crew, standard operating procedure for slipspace jumps. As Reach's rivers turned to steam and the land became molten slag as a result of the Covenant's orbital bombardment, a few SPARTANs managed to escape and hide in the one area that was not being targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo)


That backs are case up even more,

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alas we i give up and leave you to ponder on what has been said, countless times before and probably many times in the future.

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Definition of canon from wikipedia:In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine (or "official"), and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe.

No matter what you argue, the books are still canon, which means that the other Spartans are real. You said yourself, the books are canon. Bungie has also said it. And as canon, the events and characters inside cannot be argued against.

Now, you have misinterpreted the quote. If this were an essay, you would get a zero. All shishka is saying is that the games do not bend to the whim of the books. More specifically, he is saying that certain things in Halo and Halo 2 were going to be there anyway, and the books had nothing to do with them being there. Here are a few examples:

> Tartarus and Truth
> M6C and BR55
> Lord Hood
> AIs going crazy
> Covenant AI
> Slipspace jumps inside a planet's atmosphere
> The crystal and atmosphere in slipspace

These things were explained in the novels, and they appeared there first before they appeared in Halo 2. What Shishka is saying is that these things were not "ideas taken from the books", but "ideas that were there all along, and were explained better in the books".

That means that the other Spartans were there all along, just they were explained in the Halo books. Remember, everything in the books is based off of the Halo Bible, which is the single almightly unrefutable source of information on the Halo universe. That means that the other Spartans are in the Halo Bible, and they are part of the Halo universe.

What Shishka says is correct, it would not be wise to just insert the Spartans in to the storyline of Halo 3. It would be very awkward, and would confuse many of the fans. However, it could be done. Flashback sequences, even a flashback level, could be used to explain the other Spartans' existence.

For example. Here's how you get Linda back in. You show a sequence of 5 clips:
1) Linda, with John, on the space station above Reach, getting shot multiple times, and falling.
2) John, on the Pillar of Autumn, carrying Linda in, and placing her in a cryotube. Some scientist would say "She can go either way. Once we're secure, we can try to revive her".
3) On the Pillar of Autumn, you here an announcement that the ship is going to crash land, and you see all the cryo-tubes ejected.
4) You see, after the destruction od Halo, the MC picking up her cryo-tube
5) You see Linda getting revived.

There. a 2 minute, maybe 3 minute cutscene, that explains the entire thing. This could be done for any character.

By the way, Linda was shown in Halo 1. In another cryo-tube, there was also a Spartan II display, but you couldn't see inside.

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Also, wasnt it in the books that the UNSC had propeganda about spartans not being able to die? So by the comment "I didnt think they would send a spartan" be reaching into that lie that the UNSC made up to boose Moral?

At the end of First Strike, the Master Chief chose to give the regular combat data. Furthermore, only five of the original SPARTANs are in active service: Linda (SPARTAN-058), who was revived by Dr. Halsey's medical care and organ transplants, Will (SPARTAN-043), Fred (SPARTAN-104), and John himself. Kelly, SPARTAN-087, is still alive but has been kidnapped by Dr. Halsey for purposes unknown. All other SPARTANs are either missing in action (MIA) or confirmed killed in action; however, dead SPARTANs are listed as wounded in action to maintain the lie that SPARTANs cannot die, in an effort to give the human race hope and to boost morale.


Plus from the looks of it, all the other spartans are injured and non functional.

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Wow, this is a waste of time, we give you pages of proof, and you still won't listen.

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in reply to einx - nice one, i didnt know that last bit. I used your knowledge earlier einx359, are you saying i was saying they werent canon or sycomunkee?

<Hopes there could be more spartans i halo3
<knows the books are in canon
<will love halo 3 either way.

[Edited on 6/17/2006]

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edit: sry. Mistimed post.

[Edited on 6/17/2006]

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I know we can all agree that Halo3 will finish one of the BEST trilogies in history, putting a lot of movie trilogies to shame.

the one thing is that i cant agree on more spartans than the MC being in Halo 3. He is the only functional spartan, the only spartan awake and not injured.

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but we dont know that do we? i mean with real facts to prove it.

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Posted by: sycomunkee
I know we can all agree that Halo3 will finish one of the BEST trilogies in history, putting a lot of movie trilogies to shame.

the one thing is that i cant agree on more spartans than the MC being in Halo 3. He is the only functional spartan, the only spartan awake and not injured.


NOT true.

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Later on that cryo bay is opened, there is a ladder with a bunch of sentinals and flood, if you remember that correctly. I do remember that spartan screen.

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Posted by: halo and pok3mon
Posted by: sycomunkee
I know we can all agree that Halo3 will finish one of the BEST trilogies in history, putting a lot of movie trilogies to shame.

the one thing is that i cant agree on more spartans than the MC being in Halo 3. He is the only functional spartan, the only spartan awake and not injured.


NOT true.


yea exactly

nothing means anything without evidence or proof, no matter what side of the arguement. always back up your statements if you want them to be taken seriously.

[Edited on 6/17/2006]

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Posted by: halo and pok3mon
Posted by: sycomunkee
I know we can all agree that Halo3 will finish one of the BEST trilogies in history, putting a lot of movie trilogies to shame.

the one thing is that i cant agree on more spartans than the MC being in Halo 3. He is the only functional spartan, the only spartan awake and not injured.


NOT true.


What is not true? Aparently you know where the other spartans are.

[Edited on 6/17/2006]

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Posted by: sycomunkee
I know we can all agree that Halo3 will finish one of the BEST trilogies in history, putting a lot of movie trilogies to shame.

the one thing is that i cant agree on more spartans than the MC being in Halo 3. He is the only functional spartan, the only spartan awake and not injured.


Well, see, that is where we disagree. Now, do not try to deny it, because the books are part of the storyline. Currently, Fred, Linda, Will, and possibly Kelly are all active. This is out of the books, which are out of the Halo Bible. Which means that the Halo bible says that the other Spartans are active.

Now, as to whether or not they will put them in Halo 3, I will admit that is in the air. I know that another Spartan being in Halo 3 is not a certainty. We are not saying that there will definately be another Spartan. We are saying we HOPE there is another Spartan, just like other people are saying they want the pistol back, and others are saying they want to be able to pilot a pelican. It is what we want, and I see no reason for people to get violent just because we are hoping for something to happen in a game. It is what we want, and we have a right to express that desire.

  • 06.17.2006 8:42 AM PDT