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I do believe the books tie in with the games greatly. The books explain that of which a videogame cannot. Like when Sarge and the Chief escape the first Halo. Nobody would know that, they'd just be like omg how did he have enuffz fuel to get ba-blam!- to earth!??Z?!

There's is nothing stopping mulitple Spartans, and the storyline the books have created is phenominal, and it would make perfect sense to insert Spartans at this point in the storyline.

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Because people make sh** up that has no relivence to anything. Game came first, Books Second. The books were inspired by the game, not vice versa. Some ideas are used in the game, but most are not. Multiple spartans in Halo 3 wont happen....unless its multiplayer..The main story wouldnt be the same and the MC wouldnt seem like the hero with "Back up".

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*Shrug*

That quote says that if they were included in Halo 2 it would have been problematic- I totally understand that. But in Halo 3, it might not be problematic. That quote doesn't say anything about Halo 3.

At the end of the first book, Fall of Reach, the Spartans left to capture a Covenant leader, one of the Prophets. So prophets were known about since before the events of Halo 1. However, it would have been problematic to include the Prophets in Halo 1, right? They just didn't fit in the storyline, it might be confusing, etc. But they made it into Halo 2 because the storyline necessitated that the Covenant hierarchy be displayed and interacted with.

Once again, I'm not saying Spartans are going to be in Halo 3- but if they are not problematic to the story, then Bungie might put them in. No need to have aneurisms over it :)


They couldnt mention Halo3 back then... they just anounced it.


Still, I don't see how you can definitely say that something won't happen. I see where you're coming from, and it's nice that you finally posted an opinion about why (it would take away from the Master Chief), and that's a reason that I wholeheartedly respect. But to say that it won't happen? That's going out on a limb. I'm not saying one thing one way or another- I'm just saying it's plausible that there ARE things from the books, and plausible that there aren't.


Would you want another spartan in the story to steal the MC's thunder? Think about it, people were P.O.'ed about the arbiter and the ending. Now people accept the arbiter and wouldnt mind playing him again, but to an extent. Why did they not like the end?

you couldnt play as the MC to finish the game, AND the arbiter took the lime light away from the MC just a little bit. Adding another spartan would do the same but worse. Understood they can be included in transmissions fighting the covenent in other places on earth or in space, but to include them in stopping the halo's is foolish.

This would never happen because of those reasons. What would sonic be if tails finished the game without him. Who would Mario be if Toad killed Koopa? Who would Sam Fisher be if the US just bombed his targets?

Who would John 117 be if Nicole 458 (or place name) destroyed the halos?

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Read the books, John HATES working alone, he prefers and works best with other spartans.
So it would make sense if we got to have some spartan action, but like i said its up to bungie wether they decide to or not.

but seriously i'd lmao if the next trailer and bam! 4 spartans take out a load of flood. (im only saying i'd like too not that it will or wont.)

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" you can just look at the books. On Halo: The Fall of Reach, it says, "The official prequel to the award-winning Xbox game!". On Halo: The Flood, it says, "The official novel of the award-winning Xbox game!". And last but not least, Halo: First Strike, it says, "Continuing the saga of the award-winning Xbox game!".

It clearly says that these novel are the official stories to Award-winning Xbox game!, which is Halo: Combat Evolved."
[url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=7380309[/ url] go here idiot


WHAT YOU NOT SEEING IS THAT BUNGIE CONTROLS WHAT IS IN THE GAME AND WHAT IS NOT IN THE GAME, IT IS ALREADY KNOW THAT THE MASTER CHIEF IN THE GAME IS THE LAST REMAINING SPARTAN.

BUNGIE ALSO SEES THE BOOKS, NOT EVERYONE READS THE BOOKS THEREFORE NOT EVERYTHING THAT IS BOOK RELATED IS IN THE GAME..


DONT BE DISAPOINTED WHEN THE MC IS THE ONLY SPARTAN IN THE GAME.


dude. just chill out. who cares if there's another spartan or not? if you care that much, then GO BUY A LIFE ON EBAY, THEY GO ON SALE TODAY!!!!!!!!!
btw, for those who still seem to have "mad halo 2 skills," your life has officially stopped for the last what, 2 years since halo 2 came out. get a life, and a new game

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Ok, the first thing to come into existence in the Halo universe was Halo 1 (Microsoft added Combat Evolved). Then the next thing was Halo: The Fall of Reach. Reach was mentioned in the very first cut-scene in Halo 1. Halo 1 started in the middle of nowhere. You just started out looking at a huge ring and all of a sudden Cortana is saying that the Covenant are attacking and everybody goes to battlestations and this great hero/supersoldier is awakened to defend the ship from the Covenant.

So for all those arguing that putting the three remaining Spartans that were with Master Chief just before the begging of Halo 2 (Is expalined at the end of Halo: First Strike) in Halo 3 would be confusing and Bungie would'nt do that are wrong. Halo 1 starts out in a state of confusion. There is no cut-scene or anything in the beggining of Halo 1 to explain why what's happening is happening.

And for all those who say "Spartans will be in Halo 3." The remaining Spartans that were alive last we heard (Fred, Will, Linda, and Kelly) were with the Chief just before Halo 2. Then all the events in Halo 2 happened. We don't know what happened or where the other Spartans were in Halo 2. So for all we know they could be dead or alive or who knows. So don't say that Spartans WILL be in Halo 3. Because you honestly don't know if they will or not.

Also let us not forget, Eric Nylund is writing another Halo novel right now. It will most likey release by the end of the year before Halo 3 is released. Let us read that novel and see what happens before we say that Spartans will or will not be in Halo 3.

And to clear something up Shiska is a Bungie employee. He is in the first Bungie Studios tour video. He is sitting at a computer in a cubicle.

My thoughts? I think that Halo 3 should be made based around what the books say and the Hardcore fans KNOW. So if by the end of the new novel (That is if it takes place after Halo 2) the Spartans are still alive and what not, then they should be in the game.

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Posted by: sycomunkee
Because people make sh** up that has no relivence to anything. Game came first, Books Second. The books were inspired by the game, not vice versa. Some ideas are used in the game, but most are not. Multiple spartans in Halo 3 wont happen....unless its multiplayer..The main story wouldnt be the same and the MC wouldnt seem like the hero with "Back up".

Posted by: Pwnocchio
*Shrug*

That quote says that if they were included in Halo 2 it would have been problematic- I totally understand that. But in Halo 3, it might not be problematic. That quote doesn't say anything about Halo 3.

At the end of the first book, Fall of Reach, the Spartans left to capture a Covenant leader, one of the Prophets. So prophets were known about since before the events of Halo 1. However, it would have been problematic to include the Prophets in Halo 1, right? They just didn't fit in the storyline, it might be confusing, etc. But they made it into Halo 2 because the storyline necessitated that the Covenant hierarchy be displayed and interacted with.

Once again, I'm not saying Spartans are going to be in Halo 3- but if they are not problematic to the story, then Bungie might put them in. No need to have aneurisms over it :)


They couldnt mention Halo3 back then... they just anounced it.


Still, I don't see how you can definitely say that something won't happen. I see where you're coming from, and it's nice that you finally posted an opinion about why (it would take away from the Master Chief), and that's a reason that I wholeheartedly respect. But to say that it won't happen? That's going out on a limb. I'm not saying one thing one way or another- I'm just saying it's plausible that there ARE things from the books, and plausible that there aren't.


Would you want another spartan in the story to steal the MC's thunder? Think about it, people were P.O.'ed about the arbiter and the ending. Now people accept the arbiter and wouldnt mind playing him again, but to an extent. Why did they not like the end?

you couldnt play as the MC to finish the game, AND the arbiter took the lime light away from the MC just a little bit. Adding another spartan would do the same but worse. Understood they can be included in transmissions fighting the covenent in other places on earth or in space, but to include them in stopping the halo's is foolish.

This would never happen because of those reasons. What would sonic be if tails finished the game without him. Who would Mario be if Toad killed Koopa? Who would Sam Fisher be if the US just bombed his targets?

Who would John 117 be if Nicole 458 (or place name) destroyed the halos?


Well, personally, i got pissed playing the arbiter because he was a covenant. I wouldnt mind playing as anyother spartan or having them fight along side me. they are spartans and hell, they all look cool. still, i understand what ur saying but i disagree.

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Been said hundred times before

At the time of Halo CE, everyone thought that Masterchief was the last spartan, wouldn't you belive so, when you left reach you saw it being bombarded and overrun by the covenant, and your teammates where there, however, in Halo 2, where in the entire game, does it say that Masterchief is the last Spartan?

Quote from the map Metropolis

"When I asked for reinforment, I didn't think they'd send a spartan"

If Chief really was the last spartan left alive, which I belive every living human that has any ability to communicate with the surrounding world would know, wouldn't the marine say

"When I asked for reinforment, I didn't think they'd send you"

Also been said before

It would only take a maximum of 30 seconds to introduce a new character into a game, with a Cut-scene.

The story of the Halo universe is allready written, the halo bible. The authors used the bible to write their books, which are official books on the games and bungie used it to make their games. To simplify this

We got a string, the string is made by person A. Person A put one part of the string into a bucket full of blue color, now the string is first white, then blue, then white. In comes Person B and wants to help Person A, Person B puts the first white part into a bucket full of red color, and a part after the blue color into the string. Now the string is red, blue, red and then white. Person B also wants to do something about the blue color so he puts it in the red bucket too, now it's purple. Person A decides to continue with the blue and puts the string into the blue bucket after the last red part of the string.

String = the complete Halo story, from beginning to end
Red = Parts of the story written in books
Blue = Parts of the story made in games
Purple = Parts of the story both in games and books

The books and the games follow the same story, like my string example. There are possabilities that we will see, play with or play as other spartans.

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Posted by: sycomunkee
Because people make sh** up that has no relivence to anything. Game came first, Books Second. The books were inspired by the game, not vice versa. Some ideas are used in the game, but most are not. Multiple spartans in Halo 3 wont happen....unless its multiplayer..The main story wouldnt be the same and the MC wouldnt seem like the hero with "Back up".

Posted by: Pwnocchio
*Shrug*

That quote says that if they were included in Halo 2 it would have been problematic- I totally understand that. But in Halo 3, it might not be problematic. That quote doesn't say anything about Halo 3.

At the end of the first book, Fall of Reach, the Spartans left to capture a Covenant leader, one of the Prophets. So prophets were known about since before the events of Halo 1. However, it would have been problematic to include the Prophets in Halo 1, right? They just didn't fit in the storyline, it might be confusing, etc. But they made it into Halo 2 because the storyline necessitated that the Covenant hierarchy be displayed and interacted with.

Once again, I'm not saying Spartans are going to be in Halo 3- but if they are not problematic to the story, then Bungie might put them in. No need to have aneurisms over it :)


They couldnt mention Halo3 back then... they just anounced it.


Still, I don't see how you can definitely say that something won't happen. I see where you're coming from, and it's nice that you finally posted an opinion about why (it would take away from the Master Chief), and that's a reason that I wholeheartedly respect. But to say that it won't happen? That's going out on a limb. I'm not saying one thing one way or another- I'm just saying it's plausible that there ARE things from the books, and plausible that there aren't.

Actually, the Halo Bible came first..Games second, books third, Graphic novel fourth, Movie fifth.

Everything springs straight from the Halo bible, so everything is connected, and part of the same exact story line.

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Ok, the first thing to come into existence in the Halo universe was Halo 1 (Microsoft added Combat Evolved). Then the next thing was Halo: The Fall of Reach. Reach was mentioned in the very first cut-scene in Halo 1. Halo 1 started in the middle of nowhere. You just started out looking at a huge ring and all of a sudden Cortana is saying that the Covenant are attacking and everybody goes to battlestations and this great hero/supersoldier is awakened to defend the ship from the Covenant.

So for all those arguing that putting the three remaining Spartans that were with Master Chief just before the begging of Halo 2 (Is expalined at the end of Halo: First Strike) in Halo 3 would be confusing and Bungie would'nt do that are wrong. Halo 1 starts out in a state of confusion. There is no cut-scene or anything in the beggining of Halo 1 to explain why what's happening is happening.

And for all those who say "Spartans will be in Halo 3." The remaining Spartans that were alive last we heard (Fred, Will, Linda, and Kelly) were with the Chief just before Halo 2. Then all the events in Halo 2 happened. We don't know what happened or where the other Spartans were in Halo 2. So for all we know they could be dead or alive or who knows. So don't say that Spartans WILL be in Halo 3. Because you honestly don't know if they will or not.

Also let us not forget, Eric Nylund is writing another Halo novel right now. It will most likey release by the end of the year before Halo 3 is released. Let us read that novel and see what happens before we say that Spartans will or will not be in Halo 3.

And to clear something up Shiska is a Bungie employee. He is in the first Bungie Studios tour video. He is sitting at a computer in a cubicle.

My thoughts? I think that Halo 3 should be made based around what the books say and the Hardcore fans KNOW. So if by the end of the new novel (That is if it takes place after Halo 2) the Spartans are still alive and what not, then they should be in the game.


Great great points. I have been waiting to pass judgment on what I actually THINK will happen until after the new book is released. Also, I like that you point out that the first Halo game STARTS with confusion, the jump out of slipspace to an unknown location, running from Covenant forces at Reach, etc.

Also, great point by the poster who said the whole thing about the reinforcements- I never thought about that part, either. However, the government was keeping it under wraps that Spartans had died- they merely listed them as MIA rather than KIA, to keep hope alive for humans.

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It has been stated by Joe Staten, that the books are cannon to the Halo Games, because both games, and all 3 novels come from the same Halo bible. They are one in the same.


* Tartarus
* The Arbiter
* The Prophet of Truth
* Lord Hood

* The Covenant Flagship; Ascendant Justice

* Covenant A.I.s

* Race: Prophets
* Race: Brutes

* Cortana; going whacky (it's hinted at at the end of H2, and in the H3 trailer)

* Johnson; Escaped Halo's blast

* Battle Rifle
* Brute shot
* SMG
* Magnum
* Archer missile pods
* Orbital MAC cannons

* New feature: Dual Wielding

* Time warping crystal; we experience it's effects in Halo 2.

* Ships; dual core, spinning reactors as seen on the PoA; not mentioned in the game but in the book

* Slipspace; jumping from inside an atmosphere

Point is, things from the books will be implemented, and will not need a huge intro. Look at Tartarus, or the Arbiter, or the Prophets

Common sense can tell us most of how and who they are; a cinematic will explain the rest.





Couldnt of said it better myself.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
It has been stated by Joe Staten, that the books are cannon to the Halo Games, because both games, and all 3 novels come from the same Halo bible. They are one in the same.


* Tartarus
* The Arbiter
* The Prophet of Truth
* Lord Hood

* The Covenant Flagship; Ascendant Justice

* Covenant A.I.s

* Race: Prophets
* Race: Brutes

* Cortana; going whacky (it's hinted at at the end of H2, and in the H3 trailer)

* Johnson; Escaped Halo's blast

* Battle Rifle
* Brute shot
* SMG
* Magnum
* Archer missile pods
* Orbital MAC cannons

* New feature: Dual Wielding

* Time warping crystal; we experience it's effects in Halo 2.

* Ships; dual core, spinning reactors as seen on the PoA; not mentioned in the game but in the book

* Slipspace; jumping from inside an atmosphere

Point is, things from the books will be implemented, and will not need a huge intro. Look at Tartarus, or the Arbiter, or the Prophets

Common sense can tell us most of how and who they are; a cinematic will explain the rest.





Couldnt of said it better myself.


You cant say it cause its false, the Halo Bible already had all those before the books or game.

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Posted by: death incarneate
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
It has been stated by Joe Staten, that the books are cannon to the Halo Games, because both games, and all 3 novels come from the same Halo bible. They are one in the same.


* Tartarus
* The Arbiter
* The Prophet of Truth
* Lord Hood

* The Covenant Flagship; Ascendant Justice

* Covenant A.I.s

* Race: Prophets
* Race: Brutes

* Cortana; going whacky (it's hinted at at the end of H2, and in the H3 trailer)

* Johnson; Escaped Halo's blast

* Battle Rifle
* Brute shot
* SMG
* Magnum
* Archer missile pods
* Orbital MAC cannons

* New feature: Dual Wielding

* Time warping crystal; we experience it's effects in Halo 2.

* Ships; dual core, spinning reactors as seen on the PoA; not mentioned in the game but in the book

* Slipspace; jumping from inside an atmosphere

Point is, things from the books will be implemented, and will not need a huge intro. Look at Tartarus, or the Arbiter, or the Prophets

Common sense can tell us most of how and who they are; a cinematic will explain the rest.





Couldnt of said it better myself.


You cant say it cause its false, the Halo Bible already had all those before the books or game.

Yes, just pointing out that the books showed some things from the Halo bible before the games did (just to prove apoint to the people who say SPARTANs will be confusing)

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Out of all the people who play the game, only, a few read the books. It would make no sense to put other Spartans in the game if the players had no knowledge of them before.

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Out of all the people who play the game, only, a few read the books. It would make no sense to put other Spartans in the game if the players had no knowledge of them before.

If a person really cared about the story enough to get confused, he would read the books. Otherwise he or she plays Halo for the shoot 'em up factor, or just Xbox LIVE. Read the books if you want to know what's going on entirely, or don't complain.

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There will be more spartans in Halo 3. In the Halo 2 Special Edition case, it came with a letter written by someone who is sending the letter to John. She says she can't wait for him to come back home. She is a spartan that will appear in Halo 3. Don't argue about this post until you have read this letter. Also, in Dead or Alive, there is a Spartan character that is female also. hmm?

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i read somewhere that the halo books actually ran parrelel with the game, as it uses the HALO BIBLE, (basically the entire storyline for halo and its universe )


therefore i stongly disagree with the founder of this post, and believe the chance are high there will be more spartans.

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I find it hard to belive that after this fuss, that there are people who don't know that there are other spartans alive, even if they haven't read the books

Before I read the books, I wanted to see if there were something about masterchief and the Halo universe which I didn't know, or something interesting to know about, and I came in on a site where it said that there are other spartans alive and who they were, currently 8 are alive. Also, with the announcment of Halo 3 and this forum full of crapm theories and things like this, poeple are bound to know that there are more spartans out there. I mean, if you live out on an island, isolated from the rest of the world, no internet and you go to the city once in a year, then you might not know that there are other spartans, and you might not own a xbox either.

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Been said hundred times before

At the time of Halo CE, everyone thought that Masterchief was the last spartan, wouldn't you belive so, when you left reach you saw it being bombarded and overrun by the covenant, and your teammates where there, however, in Halo 2, where in the entire game, does it say that Masterchief is the last Spartan?

Quote from the map Metropolis

"When I asked for reinforments, I didn't think they'd send a spartan"

If Chief really was the last spartan left alive, which I belive every living human that has any ability to communicate with the surrounding world would know, wouldn't the marine say

"When I asked for reinforments, I didn't think they'd send you"


The Spartans are the last and best hope for humanity for survival, if the Corp believed that the Chief was the only one left do you really believe the would tell every single human being that has any ability to communicate with the surrounding world on the planet?

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Posted by: Gendo
the back of the halo1 box states clearly 'you are the last of your kind'
the rest of the spartans died on reach.


its just the same as the crystals, or how cortana improved the plasma tech for the UNSC ships, its in the books, but not the game.

Its backstory, it builds from the game and adds part for its own storyline. that dosent mean it is 'true' for the halo game universe.

EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!

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Your first use of evidence. Grats!
I cant explain it (someone else can) apart from saying its a simple gimic, like "panasonic....ideas for life" they arent really but its a marketing phrase to make you feel special. Notice on the back of all boxes the captions make the game sound different than it will be. But thats nothing compared to the pages irreputable evidence against you.

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Posted by: Gendo
the back of the halo1 box states clearly 'you are the last of your kind'
the rest of the spartans died on reach.


its just the same as the crystals, or how cortana improved the plasma tech for the UNSC ships, its in the books, but not the game.

Its backstory, it builds from the game and adds part for its own storyline. that dosent mean it is 'true' for the halo game universe.

EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!


At that time, MC and Linda were the only known SPARTANs safely away from REACH getting glassed, and Covenant controlled space. Linda wasn't so safe though..she was dead in the PoA, so technically, Chief thought he was the last, but then they find out that there are some surviving spartans and Linda is revived with Cloned organs.

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Been said hundred times before

At the time of Halo CE, everyone thought that Masterchief was the last spartan, wouldn't you belive so, when you left reach you saw it being bombarded and overrun by the covenant, and your teammates where there, however, in Halo 2, where in the entire game, does it say that Masterchief is the last Spartan?

Quote from the map Metropolis

"When I asked for reinforments, I didn't think they'd send a spartan"

If Chief really was the last spartan left alive, which I belive every living human that has any ability to communicate with the surrounding world would know, wouldn't the marine say

"When I asked for reinforments, I didn't think they'd send you"


The Spartans are the last and best hope for humanity for survival, if the Corp believed that the Chief was the only one left do you really believe the would tell every single human being that has any ability to communicate with the surrounding world on the planet?


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Posted by: sycomunkee

Posted by: Gendo
the back of the halo1 box states clearly 'you are the last of your kind'
the rest of the spartans died on reach.


its just the same as the crystals, or how cortana improved the plasma tech for the UNSC ships, its in the books, but not the game.

Its backstory, it builds from the game and adds part for its own storyline. that dosent mean it is 'true' for the halo game universe.

EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!


Posted by me
Halo CE, it was belived by everyone that MC is the last one, not the case in Halo 2, not said anywhere that MC is the last one.

Cortana didn't improve plasma tech for UNSC ships, only for the covenant ship they captured. Between the time of the end in First Strike and the Beginning of Halo 2 I don't think that there were enough time for the humans to research, develop, manufacture and then refit their ships with plasma tech.



Counter that

As for more spartans in Halo 3, I stay neutral in that question, I don't say there will be, I don't say there won't be, but I say that there is a possability that there are more of them

  • 06.17.2006 1:47 PM PDT