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Subject: What kind of training did the Spartans recieve at the start?

I mean, what kind of training did the Spartan get when they arrived to the training camps after they were kidnapped?
You cant possibly teach a 7 year old how to be effective in war, most kids would need some more years to even understand the consept of whats going on out there with the Insurrection and UNSC.
Anyone that knows?

  • 08.05.2012 3:30 PM PDT
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Its not about what I want, its about whats fair!!! You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time. Well you were wrong. The only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased, unprejudiced. Fair.


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I mean, what kind of training did the Spartan get when they arrived to the training camps after they were kidnapped?
You cant possibly teach a 7 year old how to be effective in war, most kids would need some more years to even understand the consept of whats going on out there with the Insurrection and UNSC.
Anyone that knows?


OP the spartans are in no way realistic. Theres no way 70 eight year olds can beat the hell out of full grown marines and fly a pelican. Theres no way they can even understand the concept of war since theyre just kids. And theres no way they just forget about their life and go with the training happily unless theyre brainwashed.

  • 08.05.2012 3:37 PM PDT
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Its not about what I want, its about whats fair!!! You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time. Well you were wrong. The only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased, unprejudiced. Fair.

Oh and I forgot, theres no way a bunch of kids are brilliant strategists.

  • 08.05.2012 3:39 PM PDT

What a waste....

I fully understood the concept of war when I was seven.

They were trained physically at a young age, then their tactical training began when they were 14-15.

  • 08.05.2012 3:39 PM PDT

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"Happiness is like glass, you might not always notice it but if you change your view and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light."

From what I can recall, push ups, obstacle courses in the form of playgrounds, and being taught by Deja in some military history. For example they were taught how wolves hunt so they would cooperate and take down targets. Eventually they learned more about survival and were sent on survival missions where they would have to reach the extraction point with fragments of a map and with no supplies. In some cases, Mendez would set up traps and sabotage their supplies. Well, that's about as much as I remember atm.

  • 08.05.2012 3:40 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?

They did also get extensive academic education IIRC...

  • 08.05.2012 3:53 PM PDT


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Posted by: talz321
I mean, what kind of training did the Spartan get when they arrived to the training camps after they were kidnapped?
You cant possibly teach a 7 year old how to be effective in war, most kids would need some more years to even understand the consept of whats going on out there with the Insurrection and UNSC.
Anyone that knows?


OP the spartans are in no way realistic. Theres no way 70 eight year olds can beat the hell out of full grown marines and fly a pelican. Theres no way they can even understand the concept of war since theyre just kids. And theres no way they just forget about their life and go with the training happily unless theyre brainwashed.


John was 14 and augumentated when he knocked out the ODST`s, or were you refering to another story?
But you are kind of right about the rest.

  • 08.05.2012 3:59 PM PDT

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"Happiness is like glass, you might not always notice it but if you change your view and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light."


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Posted by: talz321
I mean, what kind of training did the Spartan get when they arrived to the training camps after they were kidnapped?
You cant possibly teach a 7 year old how to be effective in war, most kids would need some more years to even understand the consept of whats going on out there with the Insurrection and UNSC.
Anyone that knows?


OP the spartans are in no way realistic. Theres no way 70 eight year olds can beat the hell out of full grown marines and fly a pelican. Theres no way they can even understand the concept of war since theyre just kids. And theres no way they just forget about their life and go with the training happily unless theyre brainwashed.


John was 14 and augumentated when he knocked out the ODST`s, or were you refering to another story?
But you are kind of right about the rest.
The Fall of Reach should answer all of your questions regarding the Spartan II life. Also, 70 kids vs around 7 marines with stun batons. Considering that the kids were somewhat trained and were far smarter than your average 8 year old, I can see that part being possible.

  • 08.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: talz321
I mean, what kind of training did the Spartan get when they arrived to the training camps after they were kidnapped?
You cant possibly teach a 7 year old how to be effective in war, most kids would need some more years to even understand the consept of whats going on out there with the Insurrection and UNSC.
Anyone that knows?


OP the spartans are in no way realistic. Theres no way 70 eight year olds can beat the hell out of full grown marines and fly a pelican. Theres no way they can even understand the concept of war since theyre just kids. And theres no way they just forget about their life and go with the training happily unless theyre brainwashed.


Very true. But you have to believe

Reference there for smart people.

  • 08.05.2012 6:24 PM PDT
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Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Plus when you are that young you can be more or less brain washed. Look at the children soldiers in Africa. Lastly in the books I do not remember them ever fighting their trainers one-on-one and face-to-face.

  • 08.05.2012 6:40 PM PDT


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I fully understood the concept of war when I was seven.

They were trained physically at a young age, then their tactical training began when they were 14-15.
Basically this. They made them as fit as possible until they could grasp the concept of war (10 years old is old enough I think to know that war is when two sides fight).

  • 08.05.2012 10:26 PM PDT
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To specify things, I remember reading that Hasley or either Mendez told the kids that "you're needed for a great cause of this war, and the point being that you can never return home again, nor see your families is painful, you're going to have to live with the fact that this is your new life and you must accept it. Humanity depends on you." From what I remember was said, and they agreed on it. They weren't brainwashed. The fact that they can't remember much of home probably or anything in those related terms is that they've been training, simulating and fighting for more than 10 years, including their childhood. I'm sure they have forgotten.

Anything in this world is possible, most is just unrealistic in current terms because we lact the requirements to do so, or for it to happen. That being said these kids learned much like they would in grammar school. Learning how to fight, and perform rigorous training was as equivalent to learning their ABC's in kindergarten. They first were indoctirined into the UNSC and were introduced to Mendez and Hasley. Then were taught the rules, manners, and abc's of how to act now. Then came training.

  • 08.05.2012 11:41 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

We know that Spartan III training was more intense and harsh than the Spartan II training regime.

From a young age they were taught the importance of teamwork and physical activity. You'd be surprised at how mature some kids can be. They didn't go into serious war training with weapons until much later, when discipline and authority were established.

Most of them loved it, saw it all as a challenge, like John did and took it very serious.

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Its not about what I want, its about whats fair!!! You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time. Well you were wrong. The only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased, unprejudiced. Fair.


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Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Plus when you are that young you can be more or less brain washed. Look at the children soldiers in Africa. Lastly in the books I do not remember them ever fighting their trainers one-on-one and face-to-face.


I remember in TFoR it said that when the kids were abducted and being taken to halsey some of them struggled and managed to break the fingers of some of the marines holding them.

  • 08.06.2012 9:06 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Well, they did receive some serious training, I remember in Halsey's diary there's one instance of one of them accidentally killing a trainer after doing a throw incorrectly or something...

  • 08.07.2012 11:27 PM PDT
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::TRANSMISSION END::

The circumstances of the Spartan's training is a major plot point in "Glasslands" by Karen Traviss. It had not really been addressed very much in the fiction by this point, but the UNSC kidnapped and employed child soldiers, something that is universally agreed upon as illegal, not to mention evil. A substantial portion of the novel follows the journey of one former Spartan-II, who spends much of the book thinking about the consequences of the unethical program.



SPOILERS:

Heck, in the end, Margaret Parangosky, head of ONI, uses Dr. Halsey's war crimes as an excuse to arrest her. Interestingly, she comes off as a bit hypocritical when she had authorized the Spartan-III program, which lost more children in battle than the entire Spartan-II program. (Which,considering the contributions of a one "John 117", could be considered the most effective military program in history.)

  • 08.08.2012 6:52 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

^The Anti Dr.Halsey material is so lame.

It's like arresting Einstein for his role with the Atomic Bomb.

Except with Halsey some if not most of the kids would have been pretty much dead anyways.

Depriving them of their childhood can be seen as unethical. But teaching them how to survive gave humanity a chance to survive.

The difference with the S-III's is that the children volunteered.
However does that make any big difference ethically?
When consider you're sending these SPARTANS to their deaths anyways, by shipping them on suicidal missions that even they have low-odds of survival, even after training they receive.

At the very least, with Halsey's SPARTANS. Nothing was left to chance beyond the augmentation procedure. She had given them everything they needed to survive.

[Edited on 08.08.2012 3:07 PM PDT]

  • 08.08.2012 3:06 PM PDT