Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: The Organon in Halo 4?
  • Subject: The Organon in Halo 4?
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2
Subject: The Organon in Halo 4?

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

According to this article we're told this:

[The Covenant] are exploring Requiem to find a powerful weapon that will aid them in fighting anyone who opposes them. The Promethans, residents of Requiem, are guarding this mythical weapon from them as well as Master Chief.

Mythical weapon? The Organon was a Forerunner myth said to have the ability to reactivate all Precursor artefacts, and we know that the return of the Precursors has been massively foreshadowed in the Forerunner Saga.

I've always thought that the Didact responded to Bornstellar's quest to find it in a rather odd way, immediately dismissing the Organon's existence. Presuming this source is reliable and not just making stuff up, I think it would make a pretty interesting plot.

  • 08.06.2012 7:43 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Fabled Legendary Member

I understand nothing because my life is a conspiracy.

Maybe the Prometheans and the Chief will eventually join forces or something.

Also, what if it's not a weapon? Maybe it's slipspace portal or a key to all of the Halo rings.

  • 08.06.2012 7:54 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: lime013
Maybe the Prometheans and the Chief will eventually join forces or something.

Also, what if it's not a weapon? Maybe it's slipspace portal or a key to all of the Halo rings.


I think it'd be a pretty good explanation for making the Didact an 'enemy', since humanity will obviously be keen to get this weapon when they're neither politically nor socially able to handle such a thing. It'd be a pretty big deal for the Didact too since he knows the Precursors are making their comeback soon.

A key to all the Halos would essentially be the [Greater?] Ark.

  • 08.06.2012 8:02 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

But what use would an Organon be now? As far as we can theorise, the Precursor artifacts would have been annihilated by the Halo firing 100,000 years ago (what with the Precursor artifacts being based on "neural physics", and the Halo Array firing apparently destroys stuff like that).

  • 08.06.2012 8:52 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: CoolCJ24
But what use would an Organon be now? As far as we can theorise, the Precursor artifacts would have been annihilated by the Halo firing 100,000 years ago (what with the Precursor artifacts being based on "neural physics", and the Halo Array firing apparently destroys stuff like that).


Havnt you thought that such an advanced species like precursors would have structures of different kind ?

Maybe most of their structures are movable ? thats why we havnt seen any.

  • 08.06.2012 9:41 AM PDT

-Steel unload, final blow
We the animals take control
Hear us now, clear and true
Wretches and kings we come for you

Well, it's probably a key to the Halos, because this is Halo 4, so most likely has to do with Halos....

  • 08.06.2012 9:44 AM PDT

http://www.capturemyhaloclips.com/ - Get your Halo clips captured.
The Artists Corner - Show other members your artistic talent.
Storywrite - Where I am writing my book.


Posted by: MAnTiTail227
Well, it's probably a key to the Halos, because this is Halo 4, so most likely has to do with Halos....

Not necessarily.

Halo: Reach didn't feature any Halo's (unless you count the one at the end).
Halo 3: ODST didn't feature any Halo's.
Halo Wars didn't feature any Halo's.


Halo is just a franchise name. It doesn't necessarily have to feature a Halo Ring in it to make it a Halo game.

[Edited on 08.06.2012 9:48 AM PDT]

  • 08.06.2012 9:47 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: CoolCJ24
But what use would an Organon be now? As far as we can theorise, the Precursor artifacts would have been annihilated by the Halo firing 100,000 years ago (what with the Precursor artifacts being based on "neural physics", and the Halo Array firing apparently destroys stuff like that).


Havnt you thought that such an advanced species like precursors would have structures of different kind ?

Maybe most of their structures are movable ? thats why we havnt seen any.

Read through the paragraphs marked by this citation.

  • 08.06.2012 10:00 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: CoolCJ24
But what use would an Organon be now? As far as we can theorise, the Precursor artifacts would have been annihilated by the Halo firing 100,000 years ago (what with the Precursor artifacts being based on "neural physics", and the Halo Array firing apparently destroys stuff like that).


There could be Precursor structures outside the galaxy.

  • 08.06.2012 11:36 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: CoolCJ24
But what use would an Organon be now? As far as we can theorise, the Precursor artifacts would have been annihilated by the Halo firing 100,000 years ago (what with the Precursor artifacts being based on "neural physics", and the Halo Array firing apparently destroys stuff like that).


Havnt you thought that such an advanced species like precursors would have structures of different kind ?

Maybe most of their structures are movable ? thats why we havnt seen any.

Read through the paragraphs marked by this citation.


The Precursors did not originate from this galaxy though so even if all the Precursor constructs in our galaxy are gone they'll be around elsewhere; also the firing of the Halo may have had to be tuned to a specific frequency in order to actually destroy them, like with the Charum Hakkor incident, it was a test firing and not a full-scale activation.

We just don't know because it's an aspect of the lore that is shrouded in mystery.

  • 08.06.2012 11:37 AM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: lime013
Maybe the Prometheans and the Chief will eventually join forces or something.

Also, what if it's not a weapon? Maybe it's slipspace portal or a key to all of the Halo rings.


I think it'd be a pretty good explanation for making the Didact an 'enemy', since humanity will obviously be keen to get this weapon when they're neither politically nor socially able to handle such a thing. It'd be a pretty big deal for the Didact too since he knows the Precursors are making their comeback soon.

A key to all the Halos would essentially be the [Greater?] Ark.
I don't think it's a weapon itself, but it in some way acts like an index or the ark for something else.

  • 08.06.2012 11:39 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Couldn't this be The Composer?

We still don't know exactly what it is, except for what it does.

  • 08.06.2012 3:27 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: HipiO7
Couldn't this be The Composer?

We still don't know exactly what it is, except for what it does.


As i said on Waypoint there is a good amount of evidence that supports Mendicant bias' alternative function being the composer.


And As i said on Waypoint the Organon probably isn't what the forerunners say it is in tales. It could very well be the weapon that the precursors used to erase races or what the forerunners used to fight the precursors. The weapon could have been shielded by being in a shield world or the halo arrays weren't on the same tuning as the one at hakkor was and thus didn't damage them.

  • 08.06.2012 3:36 PM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

Requiem is the Greater Ark folded up.

Look at the Lesser Ark in H3, it looks like a flower that can fold up. The Greater Ark could have folded up and became a shield world. The Librarian and Bornstellar are in Requiem.

  • 08.06.2012 3:56 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: XB Fighter
Requiem is the Greater Ark folded up.

Look at the Lesser Ark in H3, it looks like a flower that can fold up. The Greater Ark could have folded up and became a shield world. The Librarian and Bornstellar are in Requiem.


Requiem is a metal shell with a planet inside.

  • 08.06.2012 3:59 PM PDT

the sheild worlds were made to protect people against the firing of the halos right? im a moron when it comes to this info sense i only have reach and anniversary. but i think the weapon could have survived because of the sheild world. someone tell me if the sheild worlds failed. cause if that it true. then its a key of some sort. or..... requiriem is a weapon itself? think about it.maybe requiriem is a weapon itself. and the control room is in some ruin on requiriem

  • 08.06.2012 4:33 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: XB Fighter
Requiem is the Greater Ark folded up.

Look at the Lesser Ark in H3, it looks like a flower that can fold up. The Greater Ark could have folded up and became a shield world. The Librarian and Bornstellar are in Requiem.


Requiem is a metal shell with a planet inside.


mmm i have been thinking after reading you're phrase.

I don't think the planet inside is artificial like Onyx, it's just a normal planet like Earth or Mars, as it has lava and volcano's so it should have tectonic plates and a core which is absent at the Forerunner artificial worlds we have seen so far.


Now if the organon is really inside that planet, then the Didact had to find a way to protect it against the Halo effect which is why he build that metal shell around it.

Summed up:
-The planet isn't artificial and might have the immovable object the organon.(immovable like the structures at Charum H.)
-Forerunners can't move it, so they have to find a way to protect it against Halo
-They do it with the metal shell around it(shield world protection)


I think the world inside the shell is a Precursor world like charum hakkor or that planet that held the Primordial at the edge of the galaxy.

Maybe it even has a living Precursor in statis.

Whatever special thing is on that world, Didact can't be the only thing.

Just my little theory.

[Edited on 08.06.2012 5:53 PM PDT]

  • 08.06.2012 5:07 PM PDT

Haters are going to hate.
Praisers are going to praise.

The Bungie Forums are what keeps my mind sharp and my fingers active, between writing my own movie scripts, drawing, and studying industrial design. At the moment I'm working on miniatures for a short movie that I'll hopefully be able to film once I've saved up for a camera... That's me, with the mug, trying to have a conversation with Konoko.

Spilling out vital story information through articles on random small sites is an interesting way of giving your fans details about an upcoming title.Posted by: ajw34307
I think it'd be a pretty good explanation for making the Didact an 'enemy', since humanity will obviously be keen to get this weapon when they're neither politically nor socially able to handle such a thing. It'd be a pretty big deal for the Didact too since he knows the Precursors are making their comeback soon.
Another wise plan for the ONI to sink their teeth in?Posted by: TheSpiderChief
Not necessarily.

Halo: Reach didn't feature any Halo's (unless you count the one at the end).
Halo 3: ODST didn't feature any Halo's.
Halo Wars didn't feature any Halo's.


Halo is just a franchise name. It doesn't necessarily have to feature a Halo Ring in it to make it a Halo game.
Notice how all the games you mentioned had an under title? (Halo wars is pretty much Halo: Wars). With that written, I do not believe that your point is valid. Halo is a title, yes, but it is it because the story--in the end--is about the Halo installations, just as much as Lord of the Rings is about a ring.

With Halo 4,5,6, being pure titles, I doubt this would change; I doubt 343i would be dumb enough (not often you see me write that) to completely diminish the Haloes worth by replacing them with another threat. Unless it is buildt on the same concept - a Precursor ringworld for instance.You know what Hotshot Revan II? I like your theory/idea^

[Edited on 08.06.2012 5:35 PM PDT]

  • 08.06.2012 5:27 PM PDT

ShawtyHullstineFilms CEO-Team MLG EXTREME

So would the Precursor artifacts be their equivalent of Halo?

  • 08.06.2012 10:51 PM PDT

Waypoint Moderators aren't really Moderators, just power hungry and its goal is defend their beloved Halo at all costs. (Meaning that they wank Halo too much.)

BS Angel is alleged foe so, be wary of Waypoint and its moderators! Do not attempt to move to Waypoint. Enter your own risk.

*WARNING* IT IS MY OPINION.


Posted by: hotshot revan II] snip

Actually, according to Cryptum, Forerunners are capable to create terrasterial planets in less than 10,000 year by taking all asteroid fields into a single planet and accelerating the process of the planet (terraform).

Creating shield worlds is faster method and designed as safe haven.

So those Requirem is probably created terrasterial planet by Forerunners?

[Edited on 08.06.2012 11:02 PM PDT]

  • 08.06.2012 11:00 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

The problem is we have have no idea if the Organon is anything more than a myth. Of course, I doubt the Covenant would know this. If the Organon was a Forerunner myth, what are the chances that anyone else knows of it?

  • 08.07.2012 5:02 PM PDT

Please don't hype for games...
They'll just fall short of your expectations and you'll complain for months.


Posted by: Xd00999
The problem is we have have no idea if the Organon is anything more than a myth. Of course, I doubt the Covenant would know this. If the Organon was a Forerunner myth, what are the chances that anyone else knows of it?
Not relating to your main point, but if I've seen one trend in fiction, it's that if something is called a myth, it will definitely be real.

  • 08.07.2012 7:52 PM PDT

Bend it like Barrera


Posted by: Alpha00

Posted by: Xd00999
The problem is we have have no idea if the Organon is anything more than a myth. Of course, I doubt the Covenant would know this. If the Organon was a Forerunner myth, what are the chances that anyone else knows of it?
Not relating to your main point, but if I've seen one trend in fiction, it's that if something is called a myth, it will definitely be real.

lol that's true.

  • 08.07.2012 9:39 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: XB Fighter
Requiem is the Greater Ark folded up.

Look at the Lesser Ark in H3, it looks like a flower that can fold up. The Greater Ark could have folded up and became a shield world. The Librarian and Bornstellar are in Requiem.


Requiem is a metal shell with a planet inside.
Yes, and the Lesser Ark would fold up more like the Citadel in Mass Effect. Not in a sphere. It would need more "petals".

  • 08.07.2012 9:53 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Honorable Heroic Member

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/halohaven/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Join Halo Haven! (Group Leader: A 3 Legged Goat)

(To discuss Halo 4.)


Posted by: XB Fighter
Requiem is the Greater Ark folded up.

Look at the Lesser Ark in H3, it looks like a flower that can fold up. The Greater Ark could have folded up and became a shield world. The Librarian and Bornstellar are in Requiem.

I had this exact same theory literally in February...

Seems unlikely now.

And the Organon is simply the only thing that can manipulate, or destroy Precursor artifacts, IMO. (Besides the Halos)

[Edited on 08.08.2012 1:45 AM PDT]

  • 08.08.2012 1:44 AM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2