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Subject: If Halo 3 was so great, why didn't everyone come back?

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"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."


Posted by: Tanner113
'true fans'



Posted by: Tanner113
why didn't they just keep playing Halo 3?


They did. Most people on Reach are either people who at the release were new to Halo and picked Reach up, or are noobs who suck at the game too much to move over to a game that requires skill. MLG pros play Reach because they're paid to, but you know what they're playing off-season? Halo 3. Most of the good players in the Halo 3 days are still playing Halo 3.

  • 08.08.2012 6:07 AM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns
I'm sorry America is busy helping others in the world and actually making a difference.

Something Canada will never do.


Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Derankers are the reason I can't get past 30

no, you are the reason you can't get past 30.

  • 08.08.2012 9:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Screamo

Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Derankers are the reason I can't get past 30

no, you are the reason you can't get past 30.

So I should be expected to backpack derankers >50% of the time on my team, and face multiple alts at the same time?
Sounds fair.

[Edited on 08.08.2012 10:05 AM PDT]

  • 08.08.2012 10:04 AM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns
I'm sorry America is busy helping others in the world and actually making a difference.

Something Canada will never do.


Posted by: Blaze of Storm

Posted by: Screamo

Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Derankers are the reason I can't get past 30

no, you are the reason you can't get past 30.

So I should be expected to backpack derankers >50% of the time on my team, and face multiple alts at the same time?
Sounds fair.

everyone your level has to deal with that. are you telling me that it's literally impossible to get 30+ now? lol

if you were better, you could easily rank up. :|

  • 08.08.2012 10:19 AM PDT

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Why:

1. Halo 3 no longer has decent quality servers.

2. You get host booted half the games you match up in.

3. It takes forever to search for players in any playlist besides LW and TS (forget searching with a friend).

4. Half the kids playing matchmaking are alts.

5. Dirtbags who have 50alts that sandbag social playlists.

6. Derankers.

7. Boosters.

I may not really like Reach but its not like the population is gonna magically migrate to an outdated game.

Posted by: Screamo
everyone your level has to deal with that. are you telling me that it's literally impossible to get 30+ now? lol

if you were better, you could easily rank up. :|

You must have never heard of something in Halo 3 called rank lock.

  • 08.08.2012 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns
I'm sorry America is busy helping others in the world and actually making a difference.

Something Canada will never do.


Posted by: Casselt
Why:

1. Halo 3 no longer has decent quality servers.

2. You get host booted half the games you match up in.

3. It takes forever to search for players in any playlist besides LW and TS (forget searching with a friend).

4. Half the kids playing matchmaking are alts.

5. Dirtbags who have 50alts that sandbag social playlists.

6. Derankers.

7. Boosters.

I may not really like Reach but its not like the population is gonna magically migrate to an outdated game.

Posted by: Screamo
everyone your level has to deal with that. are you telling me that it's literally impossible to get 30+ now? lol

if you were better, you could easily rank up. :|

You must have never heard of something in Halo 3 called rank lock.


lol, rank lock doesn't exist. no matter what circumstances, if you win or lose enough games you will rank up or down. sometimes it's harder depending on your trueskill, but if it takes you that long to get decent at such an easy game you probably don't deserve to rank up.

make more excuses

[Edited on 08.08.2012 12:50 PM PDT]

  • 08.08.2012 12:50 PM PDT

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Hatter is Mad, an ex-MLG pro from Halo 3 said that you can get rank locked after you win/loose a certain amount of games. He and his team would make ALTs and they would rank lock at like 30 and sometimes lower. It is possible to get rank unlocked after a LARGE amount of wins, or a LARGE amount of losses. loldeserve if its so easy I wanna see you go pro.

When I see the entire Halo population migrate I will believe you. Theres no point though Reach will be dead by the fall and Halo 4 will probably take whatever is left of the Halo 3 population.

  • 08.08.2012 4:44 PM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns
I'm sorry America is busy helping others in the world and actually making a difference.

Something Canada will never do.


Posted by: Casselt
Hatter is Mad, an ex-MLG pro from Halo 3 said that you can get rank locked after you win/loose a certain amount of games. He and his team would make ALTs and they would rank lock at like 30 and sometimes lower. It is possible to get rank unlocked after a LARGE amount of wins, or a LARGE amount of losses. loldeserve if its so easy I wanna see you go pro.

lol, it's impossible to lock in a rank. you can make it very hard to rank up/down, but if you win or lose enough it will always be possible.

damn brigadiers are dumb

  • 08.08.2012 4:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Screamo
damn brigadiers are dumb

I was going to reply with paragraphs but you're not worth my time.

  • 08.08.2012 5:39 PM PDT

Lol Halo 3 forum.

"You're dumb"

"No you're dumb, I'm a 50, I'm smart"

"Noob"

"NOOB"

  • 08.08.2012 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tanner113
Many people claim that Halo 3 is better than Halo: Reach. If that's true, why does Reach have more players? If the 'true fans' didn't like Reach, why didn't they just keep playing Halo 3?


1. Halo 3 on a good day still gets close to 20,000 players.

2. Upon release, Halo 3 managed to stay the number played Xbox Live game for almost 3 years. Halo: Reach only held that title for one week.

3. Most of the "true fans" are in Halo 3 actually. The rest of the population of Halo: Reach are largely just players who are new to the Halo series or as I like to call them, Halo noobs since they weren't around during the classic days of Halo.

The same was true of Halo 3 and Halo 2. Much of the veteran players remained in Halo 2 until Live was shut down, thus forcing them to adopt Halo 3. However, before the shut down, a lot of Halo 3's population was just people who were new to the Halo series. Since it's the first Halo game they played, it tends to be their favorite one and they'll stick with it for awhile.

And ratings-wise, Halo 3 had higher metacritic scores and gamerankings than Halo: Reach has. And out of the entire Halo series, Halo 3 has actually been able to mantain the largest population for the longest period of time. In fact, Halo 3 has surpassed Halo 2's record while already beating some of Halo: Reach's records. Arguably, Halo 3 is the most successful Halo game.

  • 08.09.2012 12:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: InvasionImminent
Lol Halo 3 forum.

"You're dumb"

"No you're dumb, I'm a 50, I'm smart"

"Noob"

"NOOB"


Technically, rank does matter more in Halo 3 than in Halo: Reach.

The problem with Reach is that its ranking system is oversaturated with too many ranks. Plus, Halo: Reach copied Call of Duty's ranking system where you rank up whether you win or lose. Under ideal situations in Halo 3, to rank up, one must win several games since only one experience point is granted per win. Therefore, in order to rank up, you have to be good enough to win the game. However, as you rank up, other people who were good enough to rank up will be matched up against you and eventually, you'll reach the point where you're not good enough to win games anymore and thus you're stuck at your current rank. Essentially, Halo 3 takes more skill to rank up. Halo: Reach you just need to spend a lot of time and you'll rank up no matter how good or bad you are.

Halo 3 Ranking System: Skill-based

Halo: Reach Ranking System: Time-based


[Edited on 08.09.2012 12:09 AM PDT]

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Because it's not that great.

There I said it.

  • 08.09.2012 12:12 AM PDT


Posted by: General Heed

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Lol Halo 3 forum.

"You're dumb"

"No you're dumb, I'm a 50, I'm smart"

"Noob"

"NOOB"


Technically, rank does matter more in Halo 3 than in Halo: Reach.

The problem with Reach is that its ranking system is oversaturated with too many ranks. Plus, Halo: Reach copied Call of Duty's ranking system where you rank up whether you win or lose. Under ideal situations in Halo 3, to rank up, one must win several games since only one experience point is granted per win. Therefore, in order to rank up, you have to be good enough to win the game. However, as you rank up, other people who were good enough to rank up will be matched up against you and eventually, you'll reach the point where you're not good enough to win games anymore and thus you're stuck at your current rank. Essentially, Halo 3 takes more skill to rank up. Halo: Reach you just need to spend a lot of time and you'll rank up no matter how good or bad you are.

Halo 3 Ranking System: Skill-based

Halo: Reach Ranking System: Time-based

I essentially said Halo 3 forum members just pull rank when they have nothing over another member in a debate.

You just gave me an essay between Reach and Halo 3.

Lol.

  • 08.09.2012 1:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Screamo

Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Derankers are the reason I can't get past 30

no, you are the reason you can't get past 30.


hes actually pretty spot on... Made a new tag for fun and if you can find a game with less than 3 de-rankers in it your lucky. Ranked is just -blam!- these days, social is where it's at

  • 08.09.2012 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Screamo

Posted by: Casselt
Hatter is Mad, an ex-MLG pro from Halo 3 said that you can get rank locked after you win/loose a certain amount of games. He and his team would make ALTs and they would rank lock at like 30 and sometimes lower. It is possible to get rank unlocked after a LARGE amount of wins, or a LARGE amount of losses. loldeserve if its so easy I wanna see you go pro.

lol, it's impossible to lock in a rank. you can make it very hard to rank up/down, but if you win or lose enough it will always be possible.

damn brigadiers are dumb


No. Screamo is right. If you win consistently, you will rank up. The only time that you rank up extremely slow is if you made new accounts with friends and always played in a party four in TS every single time. It becomes really hard to rank up around 30 something, but that is the only time; most people do not even come close to this circumstance.

As blunt as it sounds, most players who complain about "rank lock" are simply not good enough to win enough games to merit a new rank. Poor win/loss ratio makes it difficult to rank up, especially if you have played a lot of games in that playlist as it will take more wins to change the overall win/loss ratio.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 7:41 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 7:39 PM PDT
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shadow stop being dumb. Rank lock is real and it happens even to really really good players. I mean there are 35s and 40s that should have been 50s like 3 years ago but they just lose a lot because of bad teammates on derankers. Seriously, its not their fault at all.

  • 08.09.2012 10:58 PM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."


Posted by: Casselt
Hatter is Mad, an ex-MLG pro from Halo 3 said that you can get rank locked after you win/loose a certain amount of games. He and his team would make ALTs and they would rank lock at like 30 and sometimes lower. It is possible to get rank unlocked after a LARGE amount of wins, or a LARGE amount of losses. loldeserve if its so easy I wanna see you go pro.

When I see the entire Halo population migrate I will believe you. Theres no point though Reach will be dead by the fall and Halo 4 will probably take whatever is left of the Halo 3 population.


Like Screamo already said, rank locking is impossible. If you play enough games, it can end up taking a ton of wins to rank up, but "rank lock" doesn't exist and was invented by noobs who couldn't win consistently enough to go up. Sure, it can even take 20+ wins to go up, but it's always possible.

  • 08.10.2012 7:43 AM PDT

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

Account Status: Silver :(

I came back, but I prefer Halo 1 so I very rarely play Halo 3.

  • 08.10.2012 5:06 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better

I got five 50s in one week sometime last month and then I just decided to move on to something else. I really just wanted to fullfill my goal of getting new 50s every year of Halo 3's lifespan. So I will at least be playing in 2013 if I don't come back before that.

[Edited on 08.10.2012 5:08 PM PDT]

  • 08.10.2012 5:08 PM PDT

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Maybe because Reach was so awful it made the whole entire series suck for them?!

Everday I get matched with people that tell me that they haven't played Halo 3 is so long (Which often sucks in Ranked) so.. Reach probably did kill the game for them..

  • 08.11.2012 5:18 AM PDT

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  • 08.11.2012 5:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
shadow stop being dumb. Rank lock is real and it happens even to really really good players. I mean there are 35s and 40s that should have been 50s like 3 years ago but they just lose a lot because of bad teammates on derankers. Seriously, its not their fault at all.


It's not real. Bungie has said so, I'm not going to dig back through all the weekly updates to find the article though...

  • 08.11.2012 7:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: ShadowsKiller

Posted by: meagsIZbeast
shadow stop being dumb. Rank lock is real and it happens even to really really good players. I mean there are 35s and 40s that should have been 50s like 3 years ago but they just lose a lot because of bad teammates on derankers. Seriously, its not their fault at all.


It's not real. Bungie has said so, I'm not going to dig back through all the weekly updates to find the article though...



YOUR WRONG. I know so many 35s-45s that could have been 50s if they played, but when they did all they found were derankers. They never won because of bad teammates and got stuck. They must have won like 30 straight games, but never ranked up because of all the times they lost because of bad teammates. Thats clearly rank lock.

  • 08.12.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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