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One of my theories, it is a semi-old theory, is that the Humans are the forunner.

MY REASONS

1. The Moniters of the Halo rings always refer to Humans as Reclaimers, which is shone when 343 GS and MC are going through the library in Halo: The Flood, MC comes apon a body of a Marvin Mobuto, Staff Sargent. 343 GS says, " The other Reclaimer."

2. Tartarus makes Miranda Keyes use the Index to activate Halo in stead of doing it himself.

3. The Ark is on Earth which means that the Forunner new about Earth, which means that they might have been on Earth when they activated the rings.

4. When in the Trailer Cortana says, " I know you past, your future" she may have been refering to the Humans being the Forunner, which refers to "I know your past." And she may know what happens after the Ark activates, which refers to "Your future."

I think that the Humans being the Forunner would be a plot twist worthy of Bungie. I mean look at some of the twists Bungie has made, like in Halo 1, the Halos actually killing sentient life instead of the flood. And in Halo 2, the Arbiter becoming the ally of the Humans.

Please tell me what you think. I realize this is an old theory, but it never hurts to remind people of things.

  • 06.18.2006 2:28 PM PDT
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Although I too think that the Humans are the Forerunners, none of this evidence is new to me.

  • 06.18.2006 2:29 PM PDT
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maybe but.....doubt it,
Earth does have something to do with it but humans themselves i don't think so, since the covenant were willing to kill everything , which includes humans, which would include forerunners

  • 06.18.2006 2:31 PM PDT
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You bring up a good point with point #4. I have heard this theory many times, but I have never heard that interpretation of "I know your past, your future". I think that is actually the best interpretation of it that I have heard so far.

And, just so you know, people are going to flame you for posting an old theory, probably without even reading it. Thats just the way things work around here.

  • 06.18.2006 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ajk141
Although I too think that the Humans are the Forerunners, none of this evidence is new to me.


I realize none of this is new, except maybe the Cortana part, which I have not hear anybody mention before, but if they have, please let me know. Like I said, most people have heard this before, but it never hurts to remind people

  • 06.18.2006 2:34 PM PDT
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Oh, well, I don't care, if they don't like that I have an old theory with new spins on it, then they can kiss my A**.

  • 06.18.2006 2:37 PM PDT
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Posted by:Manoplasma
which includes humans, which would include forerunners


Yeah, but I don't think the Covenant realize that the Humans are the Forunner.

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  • 06.18.2006 2:39 PM PDT
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Maybe the Forerunneres are aliens that got to Earth before mankind and swet up the structure. Just because the structure's on Earth doesn't mean that it's Human.

  • 06.18.2006 3:08 PM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

OK, so i'm going to play devils advocate for your points. This is not a flame. i'm just putting forward some alternate reasons for the things you describe.... Here goes....

1. Reclaimer doesn't necessarily mean that you owned the thing in the first place. For example a scrap merchant can reclaim a piece of furniture from a dump. They didn't own it, but they reclaimed it. So it can simply mean "To bring an object back to it's proper use."

2. The Monitor told the Prophets that only Reclaimers can activate the Halos. So Tartarus got a recalimer to activate them.

3. The forerunner left lots of stuff on lots of different planets. We don't know that that object is the Ark (although it probably is). Even then, Earth is as good a planet as any other. it just so happens that it's on earth.

4. Personally i think when Cortana says "I know you, your past your future". She is talking directly to the chief.. as in "I know where you come from. That you were made to fight. That you'll do whatevers necessary to protect humanity. That you'll destroy the ark and yourself if you think it'll save lives."

The only problem i have with humans being forerunner is that it's obvious. We all think that. So i'm hoping bungie will surprise us... But i think it'll probably turn out that humans are forerunners (But hopefully with a twist!)

-Stu

Edit -spelling-

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  • 06.18.2006 3:26 PM PDT
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yes semi-old. old is halo: Ce stuff.

oh and you said about 343 calling us all reclaimers.
yeh he calls us reclaimers. not bloody forunners. reclaimers-forunners. reclaimer forunner.

Same word? NO? good. now shut it.

P-S nope i didn't read it all. only forst point, but im a lazy bastard.

  • 06.18.2006 3:42 PM PDT
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1. Reclaimer doesn't necessarily mean that you owned the thing in the first place. For example a scrap merchant can reclaim a piece of furniture from a dump. They didn't own it, but they reclaimed it. So it can simply mean "To bring an object back to it's proper use."

2. The Monitor told the Prophets that only Reclaimers can activate the Halos. So Tartarus got a recalimer to activate them.



To your first and second points, you are not neccesarily correct, since in Halo: The Flood, when MC and 343 GS are in the control room in Halo 1, 343 GS says to MC, "Last time YOU asked me: If it were my choice would I do it." The Monitor Continued, " Having considerable time to ponder you query, my answer has not changed." He specifically refered to MC as a Forunner, because why would the Forunner have him call them Reclaimer when there hasn't been anything to reclaim yet.

3. The forerunner left lots of stuff on lots of different planets. We don't know that that object is the Ark (although it probably is). Even then, Earth is as good a planet as any other. it just so happens that it's on earth.

To your third point, yes, the Forunner created lots of objects on other planets, but it just kinda seems suspisious that the Ark happens to be on Earth. And we do know it is the ark because Bungie has said it was.

Personally i think when Cortana says "I know you, your past your future". She is talking directly to the chief.. as in "I know when you come from. That you were made to fight. That you'll do whatevers necessary to protect humanity. That you'll destroy the ark and yourself if you think it'll save lives."

Yes, well I said this is only a theory, and that is something I just thought of.

And I do hope the Humans are the Forunner, because I think they could make an interesting twist in the story from it.

  • 06.18.2006 3:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: SmugOstrich
Maybe the Forerunneres are aliens that got to Earth before mankind and swet up the structure. Just because the structure's on Earth doesn't mean that it's Human.


there is one problem with that it happened 100 000 years ago and humans would already exist cause to evole takes over a million years

  • 06.18.2006 3:46 PM PDT
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Oh, and for all you people who were dissing my theory about us being Forunners because we are called Reclaimers, here is the definition of reclaimer.

re·claim [ree kláym]
vt (past re·claimed, past participle re·claimed, present participle re·claim·ing, 3rd person present singular re·claims)

1. claim something back: to claim back something that has been taken away or temporarily given to another

2. convert wasteland: to convert unusable land, for example, desert or marsh, into land suitable for farming or other use

3. extract useful substances: to extract useful substances from waste or refuse

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



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  • 06.18.2006 3:49 PM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

Posted by: SoulReaver1134

To your first and second points, you are not neccesarily correct, since in Halo: The Flood, when MC and 343 GS are in the control room in Halo 1, 343 GS says to MC, "Last time YOU asked me: If it were my choice would I do it." The Monitor Continued, " Having considerable time to ponder you query, my answer has not changed." He specifically refered to MC as a Forunner, because why would the Forunner have him call them Reclaimer when there hasn't been anything to reclaim yet.


That YOU bit only really makes sense if it actually was the Chief who activated the rings in the first place, which would involve time travel, which, once again doesn't mean that the chief is a forerunner.... just a reclaimer. Otherwise, Spark is speaking metaphorically. In which case the you doesn't mean anything. just that at some point in the past the rings were activated and spark was there along with someone who asked his opinion.

To your third point, yes, the Forunner created lots of objects on other planets, but it just kinda seems suspisious that the Ark happens to be on Earth. And we do know it is the ark because Bungie has said it was.

When did they say?? to my knowledge they haven't confirmed that it is... but i may have missed something. I know that there is a picture from the special edition that says Earth_Ark_09 or something to that effect. But thats hardly Bungie confirming that the artefact we see in the trailer is the Ark. And another point, it says Earth Ark on the image... does that mean that there may be other arks on other planets?? All i'm saying is that there is a Ark, and earth may have been chosen form many reasons. We don't know that it's because it was the forerunner home planet. It could simply have been a nice planet that was in a relatively secure part of space with plenty of natural resources.

And I do hope the Humans are the Forunner, because I think they could make an interesting twist in the story from it.

Like i said i think it'll probably turn out that humans are forerunner.... but there'll be a twist.... there always is...

-Stu

Edit -I'd like to point you two the second and third definitions of reclaim that you posted. Notice that you don't have to have had ownership in the first place....

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  • 06.18.2006 3:55 PM PDT
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1- what we do not know is what a reclaimer means. it could mean a number of things and when 343 talks about the forerunner he calls them master, why wouldnt he call chief master?
reclaimer could mean some1 who is possibly worthy to use the key or something.

2- tartarus doesnt know exactly what the rings do so he possibly used her in a way to blame the humans if anything went wrong

3- (ill use capps in this 1) WE DO NOT KNOW IF THE ARK IS OR IS NOT ON EARTH, just cause we saw an artifact int he trailer does not make it the ark get over it

4- she is talking to chief, she knows his past (taken from his homeworld, his family, and pu tinto a long training), she knows his future cause she knows what he has to do

  • 06.18.2006 4:02 PM PDT