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Deva Path
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is more what I was talking about. Humanity got the short straw in the war, and there's 17,000 of us on Infinity; relations on the individual level aren't the best, which would quickly escalate. Arbiter and Rtas, along with the higher ups in their clans, might be comfortable with us, but no one can account for individuals.
Especially on the most important piece of technology humanity has.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Water Beetle
Maybe, but I'm willing to bet that the arbiter and his followers have actually bonded with humanity a bit, not just agreed not to shoot them. He and Master Chief undoubtedly grew on each other a bit, especially during the last mission of Halo 3, and in Glasslands, Arbiter is heard saying that there are honourable humans, and he defends them. I'm sure that the arbiters people could be trusted not to harm anyone on the Infinity.
Only, as I recall, He didn't see that friendly toward Humans.
And a number of his followers wanted peace just to build up strength so they could wipe out humanity.
Remember, Glasslands has the "growing numbers of elite youth who respect humanity" wiped out apparently.
No he doesn't. All he says in his speech is that they need to put aside their differences, put aside their warrior ways, to rebuild, that any war, no matter with whom, would be suicide for them. He--or anyone as I recall--never talks about regrouping to destroy humanity again. All this is right after Arbiter says the words "their are honorable humans. I fought alongside some of them." Coming from a man who just months prior saw us all as termites barely worth scraping off his boot, that's high praise.
Seriously, where do you get these notions from?
You are generalizing and leaving out the fact some elites do indeed want relations with us at-least pre-Glasslands. I am trying to understand what Damage a young elite with no technological understanding,combat record, or motives could do on a ship filled with humans (and spartans) far away from sanghelios.
Having about a hundred or so elites tops wouldn't be an issue and would certainly show the desire for relations to improve.
Might need to source where it said The infinity was the best thing we have seeing as Karen could pull something else out of her as, like the forerunner ships on onyx.
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Where did you see that roberto?
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
More as slaves then willing servants, it seems. And I doubt they'll let Elites onboard Infinity, it's too soon for that. It'd be like allowing former N@zis access to the atom bomb right after the Nuremberg trials got over with.
There may be a formal peace agreement between the dominant Elite government and the UNSC, but that's just official. There will be lasting mistrust between the two for a while. Perhaps the trilogy will focus on how their relations grow, but for now, they've just agreed they'll not shoot each other.
It will never be "too soon" for ingratiation seeing as the fast the elites so effort in repenting the better the races will get along. Halo 3 brought up that the younger generation of Elites do not mind humanity and working for them. Having a few hundred or dozens elites aboard the infinity would help ease the peace even though i know there aren't any aboard.
Did you seriously just compare the elites to N@zi's Roberto? The key difference in that is majority of the N@zis knew exactly what they were doing while the elites did not. The N@zis have no issue reverse engineering and understanding technologies while the elites have issues. Judging from that statement i assume you love Glasslands Mr.Travis.The entire purpose of the UNSC-Separatist alliance was to beat the Prophets. It was forged out of necessity.
The Elites aren't a hive mind, some don't mind humans and others hate them. After a decades long war, things are not going to change overnight. The alliance was based on the "enemy of my enemy is my friend concept". Not "hey guys let's be pals". While it IS TRUE that some Elites don't mind humans, I don't think there are too many. Even during the end of the war, it seemed like Humans and Elites operated separately. During the level "the Covenant" there were three towers and three teams. One team was ALL Elites. They probably didn't feel comfortable directly working with humans just yet.
Hell the Soviet Union and the USA had tense relations and they were allies against N@zi Germany. You could see the UNSC as the USA, the Separatists as the Soviet Union, and the Covenant Loyalists as N@zi Germany. Only reason Russia and the USA didn't go into a full out war was because each side needed time to rebuild (sounds like Earth and Sanghelios). However the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, which may or may not happen with the Sangheili (they are all warriors, they don't have many engineers, farmers, doctors, etc).
Also the Infinity is a human ship. You need to consider how humanity will feel. Humans just survived a genocidal war. The aliens know the location of our home planet, and a good chunk of our colonies. They have better technology and after the war, probably more soldiers. We need a trump card, something that could give is a fighting chance. Spartans were fine and dandy, but we almost always lost the space battles. We needed something to win that front, and Humanity came up with the Infinity. I doubt ONI wants the Elites knowing our trump card inside out. Same way the USA didn't want the Soviet Union to obtain the plans for the Atmoic bomb.
Basically after a genocidal war, relationships are obviously still going to be tense. Expecting humanity to forgive the Elites for the geonicde so quickly is like expecting the Elites to forgive the Brutes after their attempted geonicde during the Great Schism.
It won't happen very quickly. Maybe a few years after Halo 4, who knows.
We all very well know that bungie was intended to actually make an alliance between the to instead of this crap Karen created. Hell, one of the arbiters lines even mentions "a new covenant" and i don't think he meant "well will still be the covenant just without San Shyuum".
All of this again is according to Glasslands not the original direction which is what i was referring to regardless of its non canon state now. Please don't tell me you are referring to the cold war because that was not the reason the two nations didn't outright fight each other.
I don't need to consider anything since i obviously understand the situation that we have been looking at for three years now. In my post i clearly recognized that no elites are on the ship and only stated that if somewhere allowed it would be a start. The UNSC's side is fully justified it is this new "For Sanghelios" attitude the elites have that is messing everything up seeing as they should be busting ass to make up to the humans since they are an "honorable" race.
The Covenant Didn't have many locations on their map seeing as many of them were left in tact and some of them don't even know about the war. Having better technology is pointless if you don't understand it which is why the UNSC is now top dog despite the covenant being around for roughly 3 eons.
Please don't tell me you honestly think that idiotic project is a "Trump card". That single ship wouldn't have been able to take on High charity and it's fleet, hell they didn't even attempt to us it to save earth. So clearly it wasn't a "trump card" if they didn't use it when they actually needed to.
You could show the elites how to TIG weld and it would still take them decades to master it and fully apply it. The Elites are in no way a threat to to UNSC since they don't even have a walmart. Hence why the elites are freaking out thinking the UNSC will wipe them out since they are so weak and weaker.
Did i ever say anything about forgiving anybody?no i did not.