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Subject: I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: AutobahnRacer
If you feel the need to harshly criticize someone for their behavior, do it via a PM. That keeps it between you and the idiot, and keeps the rest of us out of it.
But that is still just stirring the pot. Even if you take the matters privately, the situation is still growing. Eventually the problem would evolve beyond just 2 users and more will have to get involved.


I agree. In fact, I completely and totally agree. There is never cause to be harsh on or to attack certain individuals for unintentionally nonsensical behavior.

I only suggested that because certain members have a very apparent need to involve themselves one way or another. I'd simply prefer for it to not bump the already 'bad' thread.

  • 08.09.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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Just ignore the idiots. Enjoy the smart ones. Like me!

And lighten the hell up. Some are taking themselves and the "sanctity" of this forum a little too seriously. What we discuss here just isn't that important. It's fun, but not important.

  • 08.09.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55


False equivalency. Achronos wasn't attacking the OP for the reasons we're discussing. He was addressing a reply in the thread.
Addressing a single reply within a thread and not an OP, yes, but still a person illustrating to another just exactly what way they're being stupid and, more importantly, that they are, in fact, being stupid.

  • 08.09.2012 4:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
But history has shown it does not WORK. Time has shown that these people do get it in their heads that it's silly once told so enough though. Don't we all remember the raad face, raaascal, and spartain ken threads being posted a half dozen times a day it seemed? Some of them got pretty silly.
You know, burrito, you don't need to single out specific community members in this. You're guilty of bad threads. I'm guilty of bad threads. Most everyone is.

I do not care if some post more than others, that isn't really the point, and there is no need to outline who you view as a bad thread poster.

  • 08.09.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
Is that not possible? I mean I know it can be hit or miss, but no more than patience would work. And it may be more effective than ignoring them.

hmmm...

  • 08.09.2012 4:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: R3ACTlON
A harsh or insulting reply to a post I make, no matter how stupid my post is, will not make me want to become more knowledgeable.

It just doesn't work the way the OP wants it to. There aren't any good excuses to act that way towards someone.
In fact, I would say meticulously finding holes in my argument would encourage me to back check my facts.

  • 08.09.2012 4:49 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

I've read almost every reply. And each one of you are partly right. Depending on the specific circumstance of course. Some of it just boils down to belief, and at certain times I do not believe it is necessary to even try what I've suggested. But times when I see such stupidity I can't help but feel compelled to tell the person.

But who I to do that? No one. I have no right. Doesn't mean I can't or I won't though. But that's just me.

I'm glad we've actually been able to discuss this maturely thus far. These replies are some of the most stimulation I've read on here in months. Thank you.

  • 08.09.2012 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If bad threads, bad posts, bad behaviors, and bad habits are encouraged and played off as something to not worry about or, rather, as someone having harmless fun who needs to be let alone, and aren't looked at as something that needs to be fixed and addressed, then we're going to continue to have these bad posts, threads, habits, and behaviors.
In the context of a high-traffic forum, simply reporting the thread and having the person get warned or banned accomplishes this a lot more effectively than telling them that their thread was bad.

  • 08.09.2012 4:51 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

OP is bad and should feel bad.

  • 08.09.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
OP is bad and should feel bad.
inb4Crazyusesthis

  • 08.09.2012 4:51 PM PDT

Posted by: True Underdog
Burrito, the term "new" is relative.
You are right.
Some people never venture to this forum and when they see that their voices aren't drowned out by "noise", they take a liking to this forum, only to be talked down to by jackwagons.My name is not jack and when I was in pre-school my mother refused to get me a wagon.

Anywho. This is true. But while I don't speak for everybody, I know that I personally DO give leeway. I do. In fact let's be more specific. The hoobla threads. As far as I know, I have never called out one of his threads for being dumb. I think I'm quite tolerant. In fact in fact in fact in fact, I didn't even do it this time! I made a semi-passive comment about my opinion of the thread's quality. I expounded only after a user that disagreed with a user that agreed with me (greeception almost!) called the user on 'my side' a troll for expressing the belief more... well, more openly than I. I don't know who has done it too early. I don't know who takes the things too far. I can only speak for myself. I firmly believe that I give PLENTY of leeway, and I am VERY patient with threads. I might even contribute to them despite my better judgement and logic posted already in this thread.

... But there is a line. There is a point where I believe the user needs to be made aware of this line. And the only way to make them aware is to tell them. That doesn't mean attacking them. But it does mean making them aware that they need to think about their threads more. Make them... ''better,'' however subjective that may be.

This is all, like, my opinion, man. Seriously. Lots of folks disagree with me. The premise of this thread is mocking in itself I'm well aware. But that doesn't change what I believe. Eh.

  • 08.09.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Da Muffin Man
I'm just going to weigh in on this with what might be a clarifying and more delineating post.

Firstly, I want to point out that one of the greatest rhetorical fallacies in the realm of communication of thought is that of argumentum ad hominem, or an attempt to negate or weaken an opponent's argument by attacking certain characteristics or unrelated beliefs of the person supporting it. This is a rhetorical fallacy very close at heart to this thread, but I believe it also represents the dividing line in settling (or perhaps clarifying) this issue.

I believe that if a thread is created with the intention of being stupid, or is so blatantly devoid of premeditation so as to be entirely incoherent, the best and only course of action is to ignore it. To attack the substance of the thread by calling the OP an idiot and using big vocabulary words to insult his intelligence - however justified - is both pedantic and a textbook example of ad hominem.

The exception to this rule I believe only applies in situations where the OP is new to the forums; a firm yet relenting tone can go a long way if you catch a new poster who is violating quite a few of the forum rules at once, such as proposing a feature for Halo 4 in the Community forum. You are not attacking his argument by insulting him, but rather making a lasting impression on this very impressionable new member, and if done with tact, it can be a boon to the health of the forum.

Note that I use the phrase "firm yet relenting"; this is key. I think that a lot of the sample responses Helvek gave in the OP were much too harsh. But I think a little less than buddy-buddy tone can be helpful when correcting naive, yet sweepingly violate posts.

Sorry to self-quote, but I want to clarify and my post is a page ago. Overall I disagree with attacking somebody to deter future idiocy. I think that the sheer disappointment of creating a thread with 0 replies (we all know the feeling), is more than enough to make a person reevaluate their posting style and improve it. This just requires people to actually ignore these idiotic posts. However, as Foman pointed out:
Posted by: x Foman123 x
I honestly cannot think of a community that does a worse job at ignoring trolling and anything else it sees as a "bad" thread than we do, and it's shameful. Please do not encourage this kind of behavior by suggesting obnoxious responses to any thread.

  • 08.09.2012 4:52 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.


Posted by: Helveck
And each one of you are partly right.
Actually some of us are completely right.

  • 08.09.2012 4:52 PM PDT

Posted by: dmg04
You're guilty of bad threads.
You're a liar!


I do not care if some post more than others, that isn't really the point, and there is no need to outline who you view as a bad thread poster.
We all know the threads. I think emphasizing situations where it has worked is absolutely relevant and necessary when the effectiveness of the method is being called into question. I'm not attacking the users. But they ARE valid examples.

  • 08.09.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: Specter Wolf
I'd like to bring up the idea of an ignore/hide user option for the forums, to give people who just can't find the will to ignore stupidity a way to deal with it besides having to lash out at the poster.
That discussion has been beaten to death. Ignoring a user's post isn't difficult. I basically have my own ignore feature, and I use it quite frequently.

Indeed it's bordering on beating a dead horse at this point, and has boiled down to the same counter argument as well: "it's easy to ignore". It's apparent that it's not as easy for others that aren't you, the others spouting that argument, or even myself. Personally I probably wouldn't even use the very feature I've proposed several times. If said feature would in fact reduce blatant flaming and the like without the mods needing to intervene for every little thing, why is this a bad thing? Maybe if such a feature was in place people wouldn't feel the need to call someone an idiot or stupid. In fact I can quote something else Foman said in response to this thread:

I honestly cannot think of a community that does a worse job at ignoring trolling and anything else it sees as a "bad" thread than we do, and it's shameful. Please do not encourage this kind of behavior by suggesting obnoxious responses to any thread.
That's something I've noticed as well, though admittedly I visit only a handful of other communities. However, there's someone else most other communities (who do a better job at ignoring this stuff than us) have in common, they tend to have an ignore feature built into the forums. Now that could be a coincidence I've noticed, or perhaps it works without killing a community as some believe it might.

If I could run a test on this in a controlled environment I would, but alas I don't think I could muster up the labrats for that.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 4:58 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkJet7
Why not implement a "sage" function.

Basically it lets you reply to a thread(maybe to inform the OP, ala Helvick's idea) but it doesn't bump the thread(ala the mod's idea).


I reiterate, this would solve both side's problems.

  • 08.09.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.


Posted by: Saint of Taint
I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.
Someone let this guy know he's an idiot.

  • 08.09.2012 4:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: dmg04
You're guilty of bad threads.
You're a liar!


I do not care if some post more than others, that isn't really the point, and there is no need to outline who you view as a bad thread poster.
We all know the threads. I think emphasizing situations where it has worked is absolutely relevant and necessary when the effectiveness of the method is being called into question. I'm not attacking the users. But they ARE valid examples.
They're valid examples, but do they really need their usernames used? I'm against the whole posterboy thing. Take it how you will, but hey... I guess this thread is asking about personal preference when dealing with what you determine to be idiocy.

And yes, i'm guilty of calling specific users out too. Especially in private groups!
Damn it burrito, you're helping me to realize how much of a hypocrite i've become.

  • 08.09.2012 4:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Saint of Taint
I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.
You're an idiot. Foman told me to say that though so blame him.
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  • 08.09.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Saint of Taint
I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.
Someone let this guy know he's an idiot.

  • 08.09.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
I've read almost every reply. And each one of you are partly right. Depending on the specific circumstance of course. Some of it just boils down to belief, and at certain times I do not believe it is necessary to even try what I've suggested. But times when I see such stupidity I can't help but feel compelled to tell the person.

But who I to do that? No one. I have no right. Doesn't mean I can't or I won't though. But that's just me.

I'm glad we've actually been able to discuss this maturely thus far. These replies are some of the most stimulation I've read on here in months. Thank you.
I think most all of us are compelled to single out so called idiots and inform them of their incompetence. Whether it can change behavior or not is debatable. Ignorance of the perceived idiot is the best way to deal with a problem. The blacklist hides users, essentially ignoring them for everyone, fixing the problem.

  • 08.09.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Just an Average Joe...


Posted by: x Foman123 x
In the history of the internet, nobody has ever successfully convinced another person that they're stupid.


Really? Ive used the Internet for years, been mindlessly ignorant to things, been corrected and even admitted how stupid I must have looked, not knowing what I was taking about.

Also, it is a tad presumptuous to assume in every scenario someone would argue that their behavior is stupid. Call THEM stupid. Sure you'll piss them off. Explain why their behavior looks idiotic, and of you're justified enough and right, who's to say (as I've said already), that person won't step back (as I have before) and say "Wow, I must have looked like an idiot".

  • 08.09.2012 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior


May I point out,

Posted by: True Underdog
Unlocking this thread at the OP's request. If it turns into a piling on of any actual individuals, which a fair few people on this board have done in the past, I'm going to lock it again.


Also,

Posted by: Recon Number 54
OP is bad and should feel bad.


>>>

  • 08.09.2012 4:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Saint of Taint
I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.
Someone let this guy know he's an idiot.
I think i'll just whisper

  • 08.09.2012 4:58 PM PDT