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Subject: I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

Posted by: dmg04
They're valid examples, but do they really need their usernames used?
Well I could have linked examples of silly threads but... that seemed to serve the same purpose. I'm not attacking those users. There is nothing wrong with those people- they did all reach an equilibrium and they're fine at this point. But... I might say they're fine in part because they were told about the imaginary line some of us hold in our heads.

Damn it burrito, you're helping me to realize how much of a hypocrite i've become.
Sabotage.

  • 08.09.2012 4:59 PM PDT

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I think some of you take this site and the comments made on it too seriously.
You're an idi-

...

Wait, did a mod just encourage flaming?

  • 08.09.2012 4:59 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

I think people have become too afraid to call out things or the OP of threads in fear of being banned.

I think especially in the community forum people are afraid to admit they are wrong and when someone disagrees with them, people take it as flaming or trolling.

You should be able to "call out" the OP or people for saying things but don't insult them doing it.

Just explain how they are wrong and explain why you believe you are right. I think having different people's points of view is essential for any discussion. Certainly we wouldn't want everyone to cling to 1 idea.

But, I guess you could say the community forum is really stubborn sometimes.

  • 08.09.2012 4:59 PM PDT

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I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Da Muffin Man
Sorry to self-quote, but I want to clarify and my post is a page ago. Overall I disagree with attacking somebody to deter future idiocy. I think that the sheer disappointment of creating a thread with 0 replies (we all know the feeling), is more than enough to make a person reevaluate their posting style and improve it.
Didn't want you to feel lonely with nobody replying to your post ;-)

All the same, though, I agree completely, and whether the zero replies happens because of a lock or because the thread is not interesting to the Community, the change in behavior to avoid future zero-reply threads (except for a select few who react to such events in entirely the wrong way) is usually positive.

  • 08.09.2012 5:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Helveck
But are you saying it is wrong to show someone when they are being idiotic and how dumb it is to do so?
Yes. If I used this thread to tell you that you are an idiot and stupid (and I do not think that and I am not implying that at all, but just for hypothetical purposes), how likely would you be to think "oh wow I must actually be an idiot"? What about CrazzySnipe, who also favors this course of action?

Not at all, I would wager. Instead, you would come back with reasons that you're not an idiot, and intimate instead that maybe I must be an idiot. The argument would go on, and others would join in , and soon the thread that I didn't want to see discussed in the first place would grow to nearly 100 replies.

In the history of the internet, nobody has ever successfully convinced another person that they're stupid. You can't and won't do it, no matter how many of "you" gang up on the person. There is, therefore, no scenario in which posting your opinions on the "stupidity" of another person's thread has ever had a positive effect.

On the other hand, there are numerous scenarios, even right here on these very boards, where a thread with zero or very few replies (whether as a result of the thread being boring or as the result of a moderator lock) results in positive behavior change over time by the OP.

To me, these observations are basic online community sociology, guys. Not too complicated.
There is a stark difference between someone acting in a way that is generally agreed upon both by society and any given sub-society (for example, The Septagon) as either unacceptable or inappropriate to the point where any given person's continued use of said action constantly evokes a rapid flood of people pointing out that actions unacceptability or inappropriateness.

Yes, the masses or the people who dominate any given culture or group aren't always "right" by all outward and objective appearances (/activategodwinslaw), but if someone wants to continue to act in a manner which is adverse to the norm of any given culture or group, then they should certainly not do so in the hope that they will not suffer any sort of objection to their action(s).

If you join a My Little Pony forum and do nothing but discuss how terribly written you think the backstories for all of the ponies are, then you're likely going to be shunned from and rejected by the majority of the community. While that's a bit of a different example as it's violating the basic tenants of the reason for the existence of the site (the people on it think MLP is the -blam!-), the same goes for any unwritten behavioral rule. These aren't even things specific to Bungie.net.

If the unwritten rule in this situation is:

Don't post stupid -blam!- or make stupid threads about stupid things that make no sense or have no point. Then it should not take very long at all (especially with the length at which some people have been with the community) to understand and recognize what that community considers to be "stupid", "-blam!-", "mak[ing] no sense", or "hav[ing] no point".

If you want to be in the "Kids Who Wear Red T-Shirts Club", you're gonna get some grief if you show up in a Blue sweater. People aren't going to ignore you until you get the hint that you should probably change the garment covering your torso, they're going to ask you how you could be so stupid as to show up to a KWWRTSC meeting in a Blue Sweater, and tell you why that's stupid.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not hard to figure out what a community considers to be stupid, and that continuing to do things said community considers to be stupid should be and should be anticipated to be met with objection by said community. Leaving people alone to do stupid -blam!- doesn't make them do less stupid -blam!-.

(I apologize for my continued use of the s-word in this post; I'm not in the mood for eloquence.)

  • 08.09.2012 5:00 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Wow, it's funny because this kind of references my OP. Assuming opinion to be fact.

We're talking social interaction. Each person is unique in how they will react to a remark. Assuming in an absolute single response of how almost everyone will react is rather ignorant. Which is why I said we are all "partly" right.
Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Helveck
And each one of you are partly right.
Actually some of us are completely right.


[Edited on 08.09.2012 5:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rob Stucco

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If bad threads, bad posts, bad behaviors, and bad habits are encouraged and played off as something to not worry about or, rather, as someone having harmless fun who needs to be let alone, and aren't looked at as something that needs to be fixed and addressed, then we're going to continue to have these bad posts, threads, habits, and behaviors.
In the context of a high-traffic forum, simply reporting the thread and having the person get warned or banned accomplishes this a lot more effectively than telling them that their thread was bad.
There is a difference between a bad, stupid, idiotic thread and a thread that "technically" violates the rules and something that any given forum ninja is willing to ban, lock, and warn for. I would give specific examples, but, as I said before, that would violate TU's rule and risk me losing my shiny dull-grey title bar.

  • 08.09.2012 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think people have become too afraid to call out things or the OP of threads in fear of being banned.

I think especially in the community forum people are afraid to admit they are wrong and when someone disagrees with them, people take it as flaming or trolling.

You should be able to "call out" the OP or people for saying things but don't insult them doing it.

Just explain how they are wrong and explain why you believe you are right. I think having different people's points of view is essential for any discussion. Certainly we wouldn't want everyone to cling to 1 idea.

But, I guess you could say the community forum is really stubborn sometimes.
You already can explain why someone is wrong. This is about whether or not doing so in an inflammatory manner helps the person understand they are wrong.

  • 08.09.2012 5:03 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Delta 15t
I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta


I think the best thing to do if you don't like someone's post or them in general is to just not respond to them.

  • 08.09.2012 5:03 PM PDT
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I really do detest my alarm clock.

Quite honestly, there is nothing positive in insulting another user. Nothing is gained, everything is at risk to be lost. In a Presidential debate, if one candidate were to make a personal insult towards the other, there would be outrage. So who are we to say that our debates, when they happen, are not of the same importance? Are we just not capable of the same higher level of thinking to that of a president?

Refrain from personal insults, and you may find any disagreement works out for the better.

  • 08.09.2012 5:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: dmg04
They're valid examples, but do they really need their usernames used?
Well I could have linked examples of silly threads but... that seemed to serve the same purpose. I'm not attacking those users. There is nothing wrong with those people- they did all reach an equilibrium and they're fine at this point. But... I might say they're fine in part because they were told about the imaginary line some of us hold in our heads.

Damn it burrito, you're helping me to realize how much of a hypocrite i've become.
Sabotage.
Oh buddy. I could go off and link every single reply you've posted where you've said something about (insert anonymouse constant-thread-poster here) in a negative manner, but that wouldn't really serve any purpose in this thread.

What i can do, though, is say that certain users latch onto other users. They deem someone a bad poster, and in ANY chance they get they speak down to the OP, or even just quote the user to speak down to them saying 'lol y u make this thread about you?'


There's no need for it.
can't we all just get along :'(

  • 08.09.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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Exactly.
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Delta 15t
I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta


I think the best thing to do if you don't like someone's post or them in general is to just not respond to them.

  • 08.09.2012 5:05 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: R3ACTlON
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think people have become too afraid to call out things or the OP of threads in fear of being banned.

I think especially in the community forum people are afraid to admit they are wrong and when someone disagrees with them, people take it as flaming or trolling.

You should be able to "call out" the OP or people for saying things but don't insult them doing it.

Just explain how they are wrong and explain why you believe you are right. I think having different people's points of view is essential for any discussion. Certainly we wouldn't want everyone to cling to 1 idea.

But, I guess you could say the community forum is really stubborn sometimes.
You already can explain why someone is wrong. This is about whether or not doing so in an inflammatory manner helps the person understand they are wrong.


You don't need to be a jerk to someone to help them get the message. No one likes to get talked down to and it only discourages people, especially people unfamiliar with all the rules.

My point was that I have noticed people in this forum have a hard time handling criticism or a different view and a simple disagreement can turn into a flame war.

That is why you have to be careful on this forum in particular if you disagree with the viewpoints of certain people to do it in a mature and respectful way. All flaming does is lead to more flaming.

  • 08.09.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

  • 08.09.2012 5:07 PM PDT
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Are we so jaded that we have forgotten when we were in those positions? I can't believe how condescending this thread is. The fact that so many of you think of your fellow community members as idiots is really disheartening. Apparently you don't remember when you were new here, or anywhere else on the internet. Or when you were blinded by hidden motive, et. al. You just blanket the term "idiot" on all these people? That's horribly cruel.

Attacking someone's character never fixes anything, including the character. Ignoring someone is always better than insulting them.

I've seen it suggested in this thread that we are the ones responsible for cleaning up the forums. That we are somehow the people who can "read between the lines" of the forum rules and enforce them ourselves, and that we need to turn everyone into a good member. If you're like that, I believe you're feeling a little too entitled.

Why feel so entitled that you have a genuine desire to just rail on people and insult them? Is that truly what we want to accomplish here? If we didn't have this kind of an attitude around here, I imagine we'd easily tell the difference between "nice guy" and "entitled forum cop", the latter of which, funny enough, often breaks the rules.

tl;dr I guess I just accused people of elitism.

  • 08.09.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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Ask any question. I'll help with anything on site or off.

I agree to a point. If a user post some about 343 making Halo Reach. I would take that conversation to pm. To avoid any other users who are not as nice. We are always going to have users who insult others character. That's just online forums for you, no matter how many threads are made which is fact. All we can do is do our best, and try and do what is best for the community.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 5:11 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Helveck
Assuming opinion to be fact. Assuming in absolute one response will pretty much be how everyone will react is rather ignorant.
Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Helveck
And each one of you are partly right.
Actually some of us are completely right.
Is not assuming that I was talking about myself or, in fact, any other particular reply equally ignorant? ;-)

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: edableshoe
Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

Seattle, WA. Labor Day weekend. Didn't you get the memo?

  • 08.09.2012 5:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: CAVX
tl;dr I guess I just accused people of elitism.


CAVX has come full circle.

  • 08.09.2012 5:08 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Suddenly it seems like people think I'm insinuating that in a debate, attacking someone's character is what you should do.

That's not what I'm getting at, at all. Just so we are clear...

  • 08.09.2012 5:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Delta 15t
I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta


I think the best thing to do if you don't like someone's post or them in general is to just not respond to them.

Yet you're against an ignore feature? The perfect response dis-abler?

  • 08.09.2012 5:08 PM PDT

Posted by: dmg04
Oh buddy. I could go off and link every single reply you've posted where you've said something about (insert anonymouse constant-thread-poster here) in a negative manner, but that wouldn't really serve any purpose in this thread.
... I would actually appreciate that. I honestly don't think I attack other users for stupid threads. I can think of... three times on the top of my head I've called out threads. If you can find times where I've been THAT discourteous when discussing threads I personally view as stupid, it would definitely go a mile to making me change how I do things absolutely. And I'm quite serious.

'lol y u make this thread about you?'Four.
And that time was because I posted on topic, come back, and every single post was replying to a specific user with that user talking about himself. Which... needed to stop.
Posted by: dmg04
There's no need for it.
can't we all just get along :'(
I'll give hugs, but no kisses. OK kisses. But no tongues.
... OK tongues.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 5:09 PM PDT]

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Posted by: CAVX
Why feel so entitled that you have a genuine desire to just rail on people and insult them? Is that truly what we want to accomplish here? If we didn't have this kind of an attitude around here, I imagine we'd easily tell the difference between "nice guy" and "entitled forum cop", the latter of which, funny enough, often breaks the rules.

tl;dr I guess I just accused people of elitism.
This post was good and it made me feel bad.

Oh so guilty, indeed. I was once the newbiest of the newbies. I was lucky enough not to be hazed so harshly.

  • 08.09.2012 5:09 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Ohhh boy, you got me there!
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Helveck
Assuming opinion to be fact. Assuming in absolute one response will pretty much be how everyone will react is rather ignorant.
Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Helveck
And each one of you are partly right.
Actually some of us are completely right.
Is not assuming that I was talking about myself or, in fact, any other particular reply equally ignorant? ;-)

  • 08.09.2012 5:09 PM PDT