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Subject: I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

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I'm gonna stop making long posts. I think I'm doing something wrong. Probably posting in invisible ink or something. Either way, like I said, I'm clearly doing something wrong.

  • 08.09.2012 5:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: edableshoe
Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

Seattle, WA. Labor Day weekend. Didn't you get the memo?
I believe we should continue this discussion over some Qdoba.

  • 08.09.2012 5:11 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: R3ACTlON
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Delta 15t
I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta


I think the best thing to do if you don't like someone's post or them in general is to just not respond to them.

Yet you're against an ignore feature? The perfect response dis-abler?


To bring up that point, you don't need a feature for that.

There really isn't that much of a problem, it is only for a few users.

Why I am mainly against it is akin to the same logic as this thread. People want to use intimidation, flaming, and general rudeness to respond to people they don't like or don't agree with. A feature won't fix the attitudes of the people, that is something they have to overcome themselves.

But really, it isn't hard to not start something on here. Just don't flame someone and there won't be problems. If you do flame someone, you are breaking the rules and the mod will deal with you. It is the circle of life.

  • 08.09.2012 5:12 PM PDT


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I'm gonna stop making long posts. I think I'm doing something wrong. Probably posting in invisible ink or something. Either way, like I said, I'm clearly doing something wrong.
Or maybe it's because you're so smart, nobody can think of an intelligent reply to you! That's what I always choose to believe!
:P


(In all seriousness, just your posts were long and I'm not really reading long posts that aren't quoting me because I'm lazy, hah).

  • 08.09.2012 5:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: edableshoe
Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

Seattle, WA. Labor Day weekend. Didn't you get the memo?
I believe we should continue this discussion over some Qdoba.
They better make burritos.

/derails thread

  • 08.09.2012 5:13 PM PDT

hella frreal

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
There is a difference between a bad, stupid, idiotic thread and a thread that "technically" violates the rules and something that any given forum ninja is willing to ban, lock, and warn for. I would give specific examples, but, as I said before, that would violate TU's rule and risk me losing my shiny dull-grey title bar.
Still, if those threads see no replies, the person making them is generally going to be more discouraged than if members call it out for being dumb. All that leads to is another argument. There are also some people who are really just looking for attention, positive or not.

  • 08.09.2012 5:14 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: CAVX
Why feel so entitled that you have a genuine desire to just rail on people and insult them? Is that truly what we want to accomplish here? If we didn't have this kind of an attitude around here, I imagine we'd easily tell the difference between "nice guy" and "entitled forum cop", the latter of which, funny enough, often breaks the rules.

tl;dr I guess I just accused people of elitism.
This post was good and it made me feel bad.

Oh so guilty, indeed. I was once the newbiest of the newbies. I was lucky enough not to be hazed so harshly.


To be completely honest, right now this forum is not equipped or ready to deal with newbies.

If Destiny was announced tomorrow, all the "regulars" would eat the new people alive.

People have have this attitude of superiority and entitlement that they want to be "that guy" who goes up to cars in the parking lot and clips notes of violations even though he has no authority recognized by the government to do so.

  • 08.09.2012 5:15 PM PDT
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R.I.P. DeathPimp. Never Ending Respect.

"Posted by: Kickimanjaro
I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

Double post DGAF


-Does anyone remember the 'Internet bullying' thread a year or two back?
That thread received such hate. Not only because of the OP, but because of how extreme some people define 'bullying' as, and how silly people find the word 'internet' to be when placed before it.

It really was the same thread as this, though. A user pointing out how much hate is given/received within this community and how tiring/hurtful/stupid it can be.

I feel that thread went nowhere because it was centered around one user that was actually experiencing the mass amounts of negativity, rather than our buddy helveck here asking a big big question and trying to get us to think.


Bad OP vs Good OP
Discussion vs Flaming

  • 08.09.2012 5:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not hard to figure out what a community considers to be stupid, and that continuing to do things said community considers to be stupid should be and should be anticipated to be met with objection by said community. Leaving people alone to do stupid -blam!- doesn't make them do less stupid -blam!-.
But yet, I and others in this thread have made the argument (very convincingly, IMHO) that "objection" by the community is most effective when it comes in the form of silence. This is the norm on other boards and other forums -- even on the most truly brutal communities such as /b/ -- and it works so marvelously well EVERYWHERE and in every internet bulletin board/discussion forum situation that I am truly shocked that anybody thinks otherwise.

No need to rehash the arguments in favor of ignoring bad posts rather than replying with "you're an idiot." All of your analogies have been about inapplicable and irrelevant IRL situations, and in the one applicable analogy you made -- the analogy of a person trolling an MLP forum -- you yourself admitted that trolling would result in being "shunned and rejected" by that community's members. Exactly the kind of action that I am advocating.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 5:19 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Were it so easy.

I'm indifferent about this. I think users should be more aware of what they're posting before they post it. After all, we're here for discussion and when someone feels the need to post a thread, they should in someway encourage a discussion.

However, the difficult part is when you always have a constant influx of new members. Every day there are always new visitors to any website and you're never going to achieve that perfect clique of users. (Well you can, just make a private group and invite members that you like to it)... and some people do that.

I'm willing to bet that in the prime of any Bungie game, where new threads would literally be off the front page in about 30 seconds, that 80% of those threads could be answered by a simple Google search. Anyone remember the Halo 3 forum and the "searchbar" posts? You'd eventually think that users would get the hint and actually search for something before they start a new topic.

I can't remember who said this previously in this thread, but someone mentioned that it really is because this community as a whole is young. But I feel a community on almost any game forum is always young. You always have new guys and old farts that have been around for years. Just the diversity in how we all think is enough to have discussions for years, but is that going to be anything worth taking part it? That's up to you and you alone.

Could we live in a perfect community forum world? Sure, but probably not. But that's just my opinion.

  • 08.09.2012 5:16 PM PDT
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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."


Posted by: edableshoe

Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: edableshoe
Posted by: dmg04
can't we all just get along :'(
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

Seattle, WA. Labor Day weekend. Didn't you get the memo?
I believe we should continue this discussion over some Qdoba.
They better make burritos.

/derails thread
Few blocks down from the convention center. It's quite literally Chipotle with Nacho Cheese.

Met walshy there last time i was at pax. Joeski was creaming himself over finding him in the bathroom

  • 08.09.2012 5:16 PM PDT

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I'll tell you why, because simply telling someone they are wrong does not cut it.

Wrong.

/thread

You do not need to say anything else unless you think they will learn from it.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 5:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 5:18 PM PDT

Thesaurus.com

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: R3ACTlON
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Delta 15t
I think people take things way too seriously here. I'm guilty of doing so in the past. Over time though, I realized that I really don't need to worry about someones post or troll or whatever. I'm chill over in this corner. If you want to chill and hang, cool. If you don't, well, see you later.

~Delta


I think the best thing to do if you don't like someone's post or them in general is to just not respond to them.

Yet you're against an ignore feature? The perfect response dis-abler?


To bring up that point, you don't need a feature for that.

There really isn't that much of a problem, it is only for a few users.

Why I am mainly against it is akin to the same logic as this thread. People want to use intimidation, flaming, and general rudeness to respond to people they don't like or don't agree with. A feature won't fix the attitudes of the people, that is something they have to overcome themselves.

But really, it isn't hard to not start something on here. Just don't flame someone and there won't be problems. If you do flame someone, you are breaking the rules and the mod will deal with you. It is the circle of life.

We aren't concerned about the attitudes of users, rather what they do as a result. If I (for example) absolutely hate you, then I use an ignore feature, I can't respond negatively to you at all, which is the problem in the first place. The attitude isn't the problem, it's the action the comes from it. If you can't do the action, the attitude won't become something that everyone sees or gets turned off by. People are entitled to hate whatever they want, it's what they do about it that matters. I could have a burning hatred of purple teddy bears, but you wouldn't know unless I acted on it.

  • 08.09.2012 5:20 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Gents, we are getting along. If I met any of you in person, I'd buy you a beer. If you were under the legal drinking age Id give you a can of pop.

I made this thread to see what people thought, not to have a debate won or lost, or to have conflict. I just intrigued by the thought of what if we treated every belligerent dumb person in a way that shows them how ridiculously dumb they seem. Not to try and put them down, but to make them see how hilariously stupid they're behaving.

  • 08.09.2012 5:22 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Rob Stucco
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
There is a difference between a bad, stupid, idiotic thread and a thread that "technically" violates the rules and something that any given forum ninja is willing to ban, lock, and warn for. I would give specific examples, but, as I said before, that would violate TU's rule and risk me losing my shiny dull-grey title bar.
Still, if those threads see no replies, the person making them is generally going to be more discouraged than if members call it out for being dumb. All that leads to is another argument. There are also some people who are really just looking for attention, positive or not.
You're never going to get a situation in which everyone is smart enough to ignore a stupid thread. And if 45 of the 51 posts in your brand spankin' new hot-topic thread are telling you that your ideas, posts, and thread(s) are stupid, incoherent, and/or nonsense, and you aren't even a little motivated to change your ways then you're clearly a troll who gets off on seeing people dislike you and you're an unsalvagably lost cause. (And I do not think anyone on this forum to be that.)

  • 08.09.2012 5:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: edableshoe

Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: edableshoe
Y U TAKE 4 PAGES TO SAY THIS?

But really, we should all take a vacation or something....

Seattle, WA. Labor Day weekend. Didn't you get the memo?
I believe we should continue this discussion over some Qdoba.
They better make burritos.

/derails thread
Few blocks down from the convention center. It's quite literally Chipotle with Nacho Cheese.

Met walshy there last time i was at pax. Joeski was creaming himself over finding him in the bathroom
Oh, I can do Chipotle, Chipotle is good. You know, I've always wanted to see what the West Coast is like, guess PAX would be as good a time as any, yea?

Screaming in the bathroom. Hm....

  • 08.09.2012 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
Gents, we are getting along. If I met any of you in person, I'd buy you a beer. If you were under the legal drinking age Id give you a can of pop.

I made this thread to see what people thought, not to have a debate won or lost, or to have conflict. I just intrigued by the thought of what if we treated every belligerent dumb person in a way that shows them how ridiculously dumb they seem. Not to try and put them down, but to make them see how hilariously stupid they're behaving.
But you can make them seem hilariously stupid by effortlessly tearing apart their thoughts in a manner that is ruthless and efficient while leaving no doubt they are wrong.

;..;

  • 08.09.2012 5:26 PM PDT

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Okay, I just joined this thread, and it will take WAY to ling to read all the comments and find out the current conversation. I read the OP, though.

My discussion: Why do people have to insult people on these forums anyway? Usually when someone insults someone on the internet they usually mean something a lot less than what they said. Why do people on the internet even enjoy making someone feel bad?

  • 08.09.2012 5:27 PM PDT

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I usually use PM's for that. I hardly ever send those PM's out but they happen once in a while.

  • 08.09.2012 5:28 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Helveck
Gents, we are getting along. If I met any of you in person, I'd buy you a beer. If you were under the legal drinking age Id give you a can of pop.

I made this thread to see what people thought, not to have a debate won or lost, or to have conflict. I just intrigued by the thought of what if we treated every belligerent dumb person in a way that shows them how ridiculously dumb they seem. Not to try and put them down, but to make them see how hilariously stupid they're behaving.


That is a different story.

If someone is acting belligerent, they should be dealt with or you should PM them saying that you don't like that behavior. If it continues, then the mods should take over.

As for "dumb" people, I don't think anyone here is dumb, but I do think people have made dumb threads. But "dumb" is sort of relative especially if the thread is meant to be a joke. It is probably best to either ask the OP or poster for more clarification or to just ignore the OP all together.

Now, what happens if you respond to these people?:

- The belligerent people will keep flaming back to your flaming and then it will get ugly.

- the "dumb" people as you call them will get really upset and you will ruin the thread.

All around flaming these people is not a good idea and leads to more headaches and messes the mods have to clean up.

"Treat others the way you want to be treated"

If you act in a calm, mature, and responsible manner, that should lower most of the issues. If you have a problem, PM the user and keep it off the mains. If it is bad, PM a mod.

  • 08.09.2012 5:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
]You're never going to get a situation in which everyone is smart enough to ignore a stupid thread. And if 45 of the 51 posts in your brand spankin' new hot-topic thread are telling you that your ideas, posts, and thread(s) are stupid, incoherent, and/or nonsense, and you aren't even a little motivated to change your ways then you're clearly a troll who gets off on seeing people dislike you and you're an unsalvagably lost cause. (And I do not think anyone on this forum to be that.)


You're actually more likely to get that person to lash out against you and (as Fo has already mentioned in this thread) get two or more people arguing.

Nobody wins in that scenario.

  • 08.09.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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  • 08.09.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rainbow A Dash
Many people seem to have... undisciplined moral codes it seems.
Morality is even more debatable than this topic.

  • 08.09.2012 5:33 PM PDT

Oh hey, I don't know why you're reading this, but have fun.

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  • 08.09.2012 5:33 PM PDT
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  • 08.09.2012 5:33 PM PDT