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Subject: I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

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Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I know it was a poor choice of words when I kept saying "rest of the community". What I really meant was "other members of the community". I certainly wasn't saying that it's always black and white with who is for/against "stupid" ideas. My apologies.
But at the same time, who are those people to say that they know the absolute right in whatever situation we're talking about?

If the members of the community all happen to be moderators, then that works. If it's just a bunch of random members saying 'you're stupid and you should feel bad because it's common knowledge not to post x thread in x forum because x% of members won't agree with your opinion on x', then that's just ridiculous.
Getting to you in a bit, first I have to play Civilization. Check back in an hour. -spot reserved-

  • 08.09.2012 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: defnop552
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55You either didn't get what I was saying or you chose to ignore it.
I get what you're saying, and I'm saying that no meaning past any literal one should be taken out of any given indication of your ideas being stupid.

If someone says your idea is stupid, take it at face value and understand that they think your ideas are stupid, and you are not. Your point was that the statement "your idea is stupid" can be ambiguous and mean more than one thing. My point is that people shouldn't look at it like that, and if they do they should stop taking things so personally.

  • 08.09.2012 6:31 PM PDT
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Positive vibes.

That's for them to decide. They are going to see how they behave, and it's up to them whether or not to behave similarly. You seem to be under the impression that voicing your opinion publicly is actually going to alter someone's mindset and encourage them to act more appropriately, or what you deem appropriate. People are very capable of making their own decisions. Leave it up to them. Move on with your life. You're stressing yourself out for no reason.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Mainly for the discouragement of future copycats and lookalikes or current twins who would see fit to do the same as the hypothetical OP from doing the same as the hypothetical OP.
Posted by: a rascal cat
I asked the same of Helveck, and I'll ask the same of you. What about posting publicly and announcing to the entire community that you dislike something about the person (or, rather, how they are posting) do you see as necessary? Does not sending them a private message accomplish the same thing?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

  • 08.09.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Fools react, masters respond

~B.B.

If I see factual misinformation being posted on a topic I'm fine with posting the correct info, but I have never viewed it as my role to expose the ignorant of ignorance. Idiots are idiots, I can't change that and trying to isn't what I like to spend my time doing.

~Hawk

  • 08.09.2012 6:59 PM PDT

If someone is spreading misleading information that they whole-heartily believe, I would simply link them to several sources that would disprove their information. If that didn't work, I would analyze the sources for them and apply common sense to the situation. If that didn't work, I would not call them out on their stupidity. I would simply ask them respectively to push past their stubbornness and think deeply about the situation at hand. Unless the person is a troll, this works with anyone who is willing to accept that they're wrong.

  • 08.09.2012 7:17 PM PDT

Perpetual Ninja in training.

"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."

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Here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna go finish writing my song, and then I'm gonna record it. I'll put some lyrics about controversial topics and post a link to the video in The Flood. They will have a field day, and this will net me a ton of views. From there, some Hot Shot producer will see my song, and we will together release it as a hit single, gaining me lots of money.

Then, I will buy EVERYONE in this thread a plane ticket if needed, individual hotel rooms, and three day passes to PAX. Come time, we will all meet up, and I'll have arranged a group of trees. We will all then proceed to hug said trees.

I believe that this is the only way to solve our problem gentlemen. So brush up on your tree hugging skills, we've got a long road ahead of us.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 7:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 7:18 PM PDT

Half of what I say is true. The other half are also lies.


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A question redirect, or a "hey, you mean/want this?", would solve many repeat topics. Of course something like an update or new information would be grounds for a new thread.

But the best way to call someone out is to argue with them by agreeing with them, just in a way that they would never notice.

  • 08.09.2012 7:22 PM PDT

Non facete nobis calcitrare vestrvm perinaevm.

Posted by: Achronos
You imply a level of control over Halo: Reach matchmaking that we no longer have. Or, in your vernacular, it isn't our shiznit anymore.


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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not hard to figure out what a community considers to be stupid, and that continuing to do things said community considers to be stupid should be and should be anticipated to be met with objection by said community. Leaving people alone to do stupid -blam!- doesn't make them do less stupid -blam!-.
But yet, I and others in this thread have made the argument (very convincingly, IMHO) that "objection" by the community is most effective when it comes in the form of silence. This is the norm on other boards and other forums -- even on the most truly brutal communities such as /b/ -- and it works so marvelously well EVERYWHERE and in every internet bulletin board/discussion forum situation that I am truly shocked that anybody thinks otherwise.
I have read the whole thread and I don't understand why we can't all conclude on this idea. What makes people feel so obligated to point out that someone is stupid? When I enter a silly thread I see a bunch of people enjoying themselves on the forums and having a good time. If I think the thread is stupid I simply ignore it. Why would I ruin their fun?

If I see a thread along the lines as "I want Blue Flames" I simply report it and move on. If nobody replies to that thread then it would fall behind the more successful threads in that forum. Why can't the community grasp this concept?

  • 08.09.2012 7:44 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: Helveck
The rules here state very simply: 

Play nice.


And that is just the problem. What does that even mean?

[Edited on 08.09.2012 7:57 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 7:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kr1egerdude
If I see a thread along the lines as "I want Blue Flames" I simply report it and move on. If nobody replies to that thread then it would fall behind the more successful threads in that forum. Why can't the community grasp this concept?
Nobody is talking about threads like that.

  • 08.09.2012 8:04 PM PDT

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  • 08.09.2012 8:11 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
May Foman have mercy on my soul, but I agree.

I feel sometimes it's necessary to point out stupidity for the sake of preventing it in the future. Mistakes happen. We can't change the past. But we can change the future. If I posted a thread or made a ridiculous claim of an opinion as fact, I would definitely want somebody to tell me to save me from future embarrassment! If I get out of the bathroom with toilet paper on my shoe, my family had better damn well tell me instead of wanting to be nice to me and let me walk around with a toilet-papered shoe all day!

Calling somebody out when something is stupid is not only part of society and life in general, but it's also a favor to them. Ideally they'll get the picture that not only are they embarrassing themselves (and us for having to read through the stuff!), but we're trying to help them by being 'mean.'

It's not just justified- it's necessary.


"Hey, you have toilet paper on your shoe."

That's really all that's necessary. It's not necessary to include any name calling, or sarcasm, or other immature douchery.

Telling someone that they're wrong can simply be "Hey, you're wrong, and here's why..." and then giving them the reasons you think they're wrong. Being a dick about it only makes you look bad (and, of course... what if it turns out that they're right after all?) and it leads to whatever discussion was going on turning into the online equivalent of monkeys throwing their -blam!- at each other.

Finally, do you really think being "mean" to someone who's wrong will make them see the error of their ways? No, more often then not, they'll just get angry, and presto... Internet turd fight.

  • 08.09.2012 8:15 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................

Honestly I think this thread is to far along for me to just jump in but I would like to say a piece.

I believe there is fine line between pointing out a wrong and insulting someone. This is why we have mods and forum rules.
I think however pointing out their "stupidity" only really bumps a thread. Without any SAGE-ing possible on B.net. A way to talk without bumping a topic. i think its best to really just report and move on. Also I believe that Trolls are sometimes not recognized here and correcting only feeds them.

It's always best to report and defer to the mods. if you are so driven to point things out to them handle it away from the Forum in a personal message.



[Edited on 08.09.2012 8:42 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 8:41 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

When someone attacks the person directly, instead of kindly pointing out mistakes or the inaccuracy of the topic, it seems like the one attacking is putting no effort into finding any purpose behind the idea they are attacking, almost as if they are offended. I do have to agree with ken, to a degree. There are a few people whose personalities are anything but kind. There "style" of disagreement leads to cynical replies. That's just the way they are.

Though B.net may be full of jerks, they still have the ability to change their train of thought and to either ignore and move on or kindly state their opinion on the matter. Personally, when I find a thread that I believe lacks any type or intellectual thought or discussion value (or threads purposely posted in an idiotic way), I go back to the forum without replying.

If I do feel I am personally attacked or my intelligence is questioned, I will defend myself in a conservative manner. I won't counter any attack he/she proposes, but simply restate my opinion in a way for the other person to better understand my point of view. I will then let them know that it was unnecessary to reply in the manner chosen. If he or she decided that they want to have another say and continue to post in an irritated or offended manner, I will PM them to keep the unneeded drama off the forums.

I mean honestly, there is no excuse.

  • 08.09.2012 9:10 PM PDT

“Oh, it’s a little bit of everything, it’s the mountains, it’s the fog, it’s the news at six o’clock, it’s the death of my first dog, it’s the angels up above me, it’s the song that they don’t sing, It’s a little bit of everything.”
- Dawes, A little bit of everything

Many people consider their opinions to be fact. Whether this is a simple discussion about games, or one more serious around politics or religion, the same is true; battles of opinion often end with both sides thinking the other is either a moron or an -blam!- and neither opinions have been swayed.

The difference between debate and argument, while not what this thread is about, should be understood. We can disagree with what others say without insulting them personally. Sadly, many people lack this ability and any mention of something that collides with their perceived truths is taken personally.

These aside, it is our responsibility as members of this community to uphold that which we would like to get out of this community. Do we want a place filled with vitriolic speech? No. Do we want a place filled with unhelpful users who simply post to mislead others and start arguments? I do not think so. How do we make this a place that we would like to inhabit? Easy, we do just that.

We have the tools to do this, it is simply our voice. We can let people know when what they are doing is completely idiotic, so long as we do so constructively. When we see things that break the rules, we can report them and not respond. We do not need to be rude, we can let the mods lock the thread and inform the user as to why. We do not need to be so controlling, we do not need to tell others when what they are doing is wrong. If it is wrong, we have a system for that. As for idiocy, that is something we can handle (as from what I can see being an idiot is not a reportable offense).

I do not like to be a mean person, and I try to live my life by following my obligation to do the right thing. I do not think that calling someone an idiot and humiliating them is the best course of action. However, I have tried the polite approach many times before and it has had mixed success. If there is a problem, then we must find a solution. I do not think that we have found it yet, but perhaps as we further this dialog we can come to something that we all agree with.

To add a little bit here, under the "Stuff That Sucks" section of the Code of Conduct, we find the following (paraphrased slightly and omitting a few):
- Being a jerk.
- Harassing, defaming, or antagonizing others

Let us not cross the line into harassment, jerkdom, or other bad stuff. Keep it clean, but do what must be done.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 9:35 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 9:26 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

If you are going to criticize someone or their thread publically, then you'd want to avoid a scenario which would instigate petty agreements between you and the person you're complaining about. Simply stating something condesending or without reasoning doesn't help with anything at all, they're going to simply assume you are what you call them, and keep on going about what they do the same way they've always done it. The Conclusion: you getting more aggitated because the person wouldn't listen to your tone which you'd have thought would have been a solution.

Instead of calling "idiots", "idiots"; try a non-negative approach, try an approach which clearly outlines why you dislike the person - it'd work infinitely more efficiently than labelling someone as simply stupid or moronic, with no clause as to why. If they don't care, then there is no point in labelling or denouncing to the world about your hate for them as it'd simply cause more crap for what it's worth. It's then when it comes time to ignore them, either through your mind, or through the power of an implemented ignore system.

[Edited on 08.09.2012 10:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 10:04 PM PDT

He's right on top of us! I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using...

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Did this really just happen and get 7 pages?

Everyone has the power to ignore.

  • 08.09.2012 10:19 PM PDT
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The best victories are the ones the other side didn't expect.

Yes Costco. I need a 50lb bag...I mean sack of sugar.

I got to page two reading this and I pretty much saw the same debate going on the entire time, so I am sorry if I am being redundant in any way.

Every once in a while I will pm a mod as to why I think a thread seems out of line if it has a few pages and no lock and most of the time they will say thank you and lock it because it's just not possible to see all the bull-blam!- at once.

Sometimes though, mods will notice that I have pointed out my disagreement with the OP in the thread and they tell me to just not post in the future because it's no better than the original post. As of late I have gotten much better at this and almost never find myself even worrying about the threads in question.

I see a thread that looks like it could be a troll/spam/blatant disregard for the rules and I will report if it is and move on without posting in the thread. It works wonders. And if I do disagree with the OP I will talk to him via PM's instead of in the thread because disagreements in threads almost always get heated. I don't feel the need to add that to a thread because it looks bad for everyone involved.

So I guess this all culminates to listening to the Ninja suggestions here because it has made a more pleasurable experience for myself on this site.

  • 08.09.2012 10:28 PM PDT
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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?

  • 08.09.2012 11:36 PM PDT

“Oh, it’s a little bit of everything, it’s the mountains, it’s the fog, it’s the news at six o’clock, it’s the death of my first dog, it’s the angels up above me, it’s the song that they don’t sing, It’s a little bit of everything.”
- Dawes, A little bit of everything

Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?
Duty calls, however it is a good question. I think that for the most part we are irritated that such threads are allowed to prosper and attempt to end them as. Quite simply, they are an eyesore and negatively impact the community at large insomuch that they will encourage such posting to continue.

I honestly don't know, but XKCD put it best. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

[Edited on 08.09.2012 11:43 PM PDT]

  • 08.09.2012 11:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?
Advocating critical thinking and logical reasoning is something I feel is a necessity, whether it be on an Internet forum or face to face. Stupid is the opposite of what I'm advocating.

  • 08.09.2012 11:42 PM PDT

We are soffish, Soffish are we. We look like real fishies when we're thrown into the sea.

Op, you're stupid. JK, great read.

  • 08.09.2012 11:44 PM PDT

Jazzer008


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Please do not encourage this kind of behavior by suggesting obnoxious responses to any thread.


No better word, has ever been said.

  • 08.10.2012 12:00 AM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................


Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?


I honestly think that it is a Knee Jerk Reaction
I think threads like that diminish the forum as a whole. I do however try to restrain myself from posting and bumping an already idiot topic.

  • 08.10.2012 1:09 AM PDT

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  • 08.10.2012 1:34 AM PDT