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Subject: I don't have to like you, and your thread is stupid.

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Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?
Surely you must know that feeling? Then again, you probably don't. It helps to not have that trait in a Master Forum Ninja anyway.

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I am opposed to capital punishment; I feel that it has no place in any competently planned justice system.
However, there are certain individuals, whose number is sufficiently small that I can count them on the fingers of one hand, for whom I am willing to make an exception.

Calling people out as being stupid follows a similar model. Shouldn't happen, definitely shouldn't be policy, but every now and again there is a persistent mong who needs to be given a damn good slapping.

[Edited on 08.10.2012 3:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2012 3:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheCraftedPixel
Posted by: spartain ken 15
It is easy to say be kind but the fact is some people here are real jerks and will never learn.
This user is right.
Perspective. I have seen what you describe, and dare I say I may have joined in from time to time. Perhaps that is a dialog we could follow. Would you argue for more moderation to combat this? Personally, I think that most of what I see on the forums now is fine. That is not to say that it has always been this way, we have our ups and downs.

  • 08.10.2012 4:37 AM PDT

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  • 08.10.2012 4:50 AM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

BINGO!

The term "report and move on", literally means - report and move on. I personally have no problem with avoiding posting in threads that I don't find interesting. But the vast majority of users seem to battle this debate in virtually every thread they enter. It's not just bungie.net, it's loads of forum boards.

My concern is that people feel like they HAVE to make their presence known somehow, otherwise people think they're inactiv. Why does this matter? I haven't the slightest clue. I do remember when I first started posting, I did have similar thoughts though. Things like "like" and "thanks" features are subtle things that allow a user to link their presence in a thread without actually posting. It's more apparent on bungie.net (since we don't have these features) that it seems users do this more often.

To you and me and most people involved in this thread, it seems that we're entitled to correcting something wrong (IE - "stupid posts"), when in fact I think the right thing to do is become more proactive about it. Preventing the "problem" before it happens.

There are a number of things to do; search-bar improvement, make sticky threads more appealing to get a bigger audience on them, but ultimately you're still going to have people that don't read huge threads before they make another thread. That's just the internet. You can't control everyone.

People are going to post regardless. They key is that there is an inner "ignore feature" within every person. Some just have more control over it.

Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?

  • 08.10.2012 6:18 AM PDT
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I agree. This thread sucks.

  • 08.10.2012 6:33 AM PDT

Posted by: TheCraftedPixel

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I wouldn't try and bring up semantics on here. People are always rude to others they don't like and will make sure the OP of the thread and everyone is aware of it.

If the mods really banned all the people from the tongue and cheek stupidity people pull. 75% of the septagon would be banned. (Though some people need it).

It is easy to say be kind but the fact is some people here are real jerks and will never learn.
This user is right.

When people do that very thing of making sure the Poster is called out for what they posted, you making yourself look like a jerk and someone who wants to be the "big man on campus" acting like they've been here forever and know "what's up." This I feel would intimate other members from ever posting.

This is something I believe Moderators should take seriously because it keeps newer members at bay from being bale to jump into the community without getting their feet dirty first into the mix of things. Users who call people out are the ones that Moderators should be bringing action to and suggest they "play nice" because that is what we do/should do here.

  • 08.10.2012 6:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?


This.

Bold and cruel words are what the majority of the "stupid" seek. I seriously doubt that the majority the "stupid" threads, at least for me, are made by the ignorant.

  • 08.10.2012 6:43 AM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I'd rather tell someone that their argument or the thing they're saying is wrong or stupid in a nicer way, hence the rule, "Play Nice".

  • 08.10.2012 6:45 AM PDT

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Without even arguing about whether you need to be cruel or not in your remarks I just don't see why you feel compelled to respond. You have no obligation or duty to point out other people's stupidity, especially in public.

If I enter a thread where the OP or others are being stupid, intentionally or not, I tend to just leave the thread and find a different thread that has something worth discussing.

Your browser should have a "Back" button. Use it.

  • 08.10.2012 7:13 AM PDT

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I just tend to ignore the stupidity that so often manifests itself on this website, and i tend to keep to myself.

  • 08.10.2012 7:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
After reading the responses in here, I honestly just have one question: Why exactly do you (those who have responded, and the OP) get so riled up over "stupid" threads and posts that you feel you must respond to them?
That's what it all comes down to, and frankly we don't have an answer. People like being heard and spreading their opinions, I don't know what else.

  • 08.10.2012 7:35 AM PDT

Posted by: coolmike699
"Hey, you have toilet paper on your shoe."

That's really all that's necessary. It's not necessary to include any name calling, or sarcasm, or other immature douchery.
... It was an example regarding the principle of the thing, not the method.

Telling someone that they're wrong can simply be "Hey, you're wrong, and here's why..." and then giving them the reasons you think they're wrong.It isn't a matter of being 'wrong.' At all. Whatsoever.
Finally, do you really think being "mean" to someone who's wrong will make them see the error of their ways? No, more often then not, they'll just get angry, and presto... Internet turd fight. It has been proven to work. Read some more posts in the thread. If everybody ignored, it would be great. But since not everybody does, this method works best.

  • 08.10.2012 8:10 AM PDT

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Show me proof that it has worked. If you have to mention specific users, just PM me then.

I'm glad we agree that it's be great if everyone ignored "bad posts," but your paper thin justification that it's ok to be a jerk in this situation because other people do it doesn't cut it.

  • 08.10.2012 8:19 AM PDT

Textbook thin justification delivered.

And I would remove the negative connotation you keep putting on it by default. Telling somebody that a thread is bad is not being a 'jerk.'

  • 08.10.2012 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: spawn031
There are a number of things to do; search-bar improvement, make sticky threads more appealing to get a bigger audience on them, but ultimately you're still going to have people that don't read huge threads before they make another thread. That's just the internet. You can't control everyone.
I like this. This is a proposed solution, albeit not perfect, to the problem that we have realized. The problem may not have been with stupid users, but with our own arrogance (or is the problem still stupid users all the same?). Let us strive to help better others so that we do not become annoyed by someone else's ignorance. We should become the change that we would like to see on Bungie.net. When information about Destiny is revealed, there will most likely be a wave of new members and this will be a great time to see what works and what does not. If what we currently have in place seems awry, then hope for change.

After all, with news on Destiny a new site redesign is sure to follow, so now is the time to talk about what we think should be included.

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Posted by: TheCraftedPixel
Posted by: spartain ken 15
When...the Poster is called out for what they posted, you making yourself look like a jerk.... This I feel would intimate other members from ever posting.

This is something I believe Moderators should take seriously .... Users who call people out are the ones that Moderators should be bringing action to and suggest they "play nice" because that is what we do/should do here.
I agree. This does hearken back to what Spawn has said, though, in that we must report and move on. We need to show that we do not like such action and the moderators will act accordingly.

[Edited on 08.10.2012 8:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2012 8:30 AM PDT

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"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
It's a lot easier to persuade people if you use polite arguments and flattery than if you are aggressive and confrontational.

  • 08.10.2012 8:33 AM PDT

Posted by: defnop552
"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
It's a lot easier to persuade people if you use polite arguments and flattery than if you are aggressive and confrontational.

You're welcome to go into any Community Forum Batman related thread and give it a whirl.

I know I'm moreorless alone in my thoughts. But I do stand by them until I'm convinced otherwise (protip: I have changed my mind several times in forum arguments in the past!). Still, I see no reason to change my mind and, instead, think that most of you are the more misguided.

  • 08.10.2012 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elitepwnsaur169
I just tend to ignore the stupidity that so often manifests itself on this website, and i tend to keep to myself.

  • 08.10.2012 9:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
You're welcome to go into any Community Forum Batman related thread and give it a whirl.
I liked that thread. :-(

When you changed your mind in previous arguments, was it because you were being insulted or because you were presented with rational, logical thoughts?

  • 08.10.2012 9:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: defnop552
"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
It's a lot easier to persuade people if you use polite arguments and flattery than if you are aggressive and confrontational.

You're welcome to go into any Community Forum Batman related thread and give it a whirl.

I know I'm moreorless alone in my thoughts. But I do stand by them until I'm convinced otherwise (protip: I have changed my mind several times in forum arguments in the past!). Still, I see no reason to change my mind and, instead, think that most of you are the more misguided.



Community? take a stop over in the flood. The honey trick doesn't really work on the internet. I stand by burrito's opinion. ( though i try not to be to much of a dick ) While report and move on is the best way to render judgment, and i support the use of the feature, it does nothing to slow down the creation of pointless threads until a mod "handles" it. I especially hate this when the thread is both pointless and contains droves of false information. That's a situation in which I normally get involved. Sometimes i report and walk away. Other times it is just so terrible that I can't help but try and correct it, If not at least for the other members in the thread.

I guess when it boils down to it I think there are "Situations" in which peer member involvement in the correction of a bad thread is warranted and situations where it is not.

[Edited on 08.10.2012 9:15 AM PDT]

  • 08.10.2012 9:11 AM PDT

Posted by: defnop552
When you changed your mind in previous arguments, was it because you were being insulted or because you were presented with rational, logical thoughts?
Arguments. Because getting somebody to believe something else requires them to think differently- and they need to be rationalizing it in their own head.

I you were trying to relate that to this thread, however, you might want to try again. We aren't talking about what the 'stupid thread' makers believe. We're talking about what they DO. And peer pressure is a fantastic way to get somebody to not do an act they might otherwise do if it were deemed acceptable by the community.

  • 08.10.2012 9:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
Suddenly it seems like people think I'm insinuating that in a debate, attacking someone's character is what you should do.

That's not what I'm getting at, at all. Just so we are clear...

I'm guessing you're getting at my post about ad hominem? I wasn't trying to insinuate that you were insinuating that that's the proper course of action :) But I do feel like that line is pretty easy to cross when you're questioning an OP's intelligence over a stupid post. To quote your original post:

Posted by: Helveck
This thread is pointless, and provides no discussion value. It is ridiculous and childish to believe that you can just leave your blog here for the sake of having your voice heard, without actually wanting to engage in a discussion on a public forum.
I'm not going to address whether or not the harshness is necessary, but rhetorically, this is a pretty solid response. On the other hand,

Posted by: Helveck
Do you realize how truly idiotic and ridiculous you look, trying to, and insisting upon having people take your opinionated word as FACT? No obviously not, since if you did, you wouldn't have wasted all that time spewing crap from your mouth. Know the distinction next time, to save yourself from looking like an idiot.
tends a little bit more towards an attack ad hominem. You kind of run that risk any time you start insulting the person themselves.

My only point in my first post was to highlight that fact, and that it's a fallacy worth avoiding. I also happen to think that when you insult a person on a forum, they generally immediately jump into a defensive stance, whereas if you limit the insults/criticisms to be directed at the content of their post, they have less room to get all righteous and "defend their honor", and MAYBE even see reason :)


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  • 08.10.2012 10:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Show me proof that it has worked. If you have to mention specific users, just PM me then.

I'm glad we agree that it's be great if everyone ignored "bad posts," but your paper thin justification that it's ok to be a jerk in this situation because other people do it doesn't cut it.
Being a jerk and telling someone why what they said is stupid are not the same things.

Saying that an idea is stupid makes people not talk about those ideas anymore, typically (except for a certain few). I've made threads in the past, and I've been told in the past that what I'm saying is stupid and, while sometimes I will disagree with a person, I'm not immature enough to defy clear and plain logic when I recognize it for the purposes of winning an Internet debate.

I will reiterate, being a dick to someone and telling them that their idea is stupid are two totally different things. PM incoming.

  • 08.10.2012 12:47 PM PDT