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Subject: MYSTERIOUS FORERUNNER SHIP PRESENSE **UPDATED **
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Many people have pointed out that I am incorrect
about my theory concerning the gravemind and
the AI, and I agree since they showed cortana is
referring to the Forerunner Ship presesne and NOT
high charity.

****** IF any of you have theories as to what this
presense on the ship is, whether its an AI, Firewall,
or something else please post your theories here
I am really curious !!!

Gravemind Analysis ***

Another interesting observation that i noticed about the gravemind,
involves the similarity to him and the flood that took over Captain
Keyes. Both Captan Keyes and 2401 penitent tangent had valuable
information and were taken over by flood. Could it be that when
the flood take over a target with valuable knowledge, they form
this super flood form.
Perhaps 2401 penitent tangent was captured by a standard
flood form and because he had important forerunner knowledge,
the flood that captured him ( forerunenr AI ) developed into this
super flood known as the gravemind.

HALO 3 Application ***

What could this mean for the humans now that the gravemind
now has control of a powerful forerunner construct, the prophet,
and now has control of the covenant battle ship that could make
the jump to earth through slipspace ?
I think it is very possible that the gravemind will end up bringing
high Charity to earth from Delta Halo and will try to use his flood
minions to attack earth.

Also What could this mysterious presense on the forerunner ship
mean ? Could it help the Humans !!

What do you guys think ?


[Edited on 6/18/2006]

  • 06.18.2006 7:07 PM PDT
Subject: ** FORERUNNER AI On High Charity **
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makes sense

  • 06.18.2006 7:09 PM PDT
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sure does

  • 06.18.2006 7:13 PM PDT
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I wish fruit flies created fruit instead of eating it..........................?!

  • 06.18.2006 7:27 PM PDT
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Cortana detected the AI on the Forerunner ship, not High Charity. I doubt it was gravemind, because he would want the ship to stay at High Charity, and so does Cortana. The AI was fighting Cortana.

My Guess is that the Forerunner ship is called Manus Celer Dei, and it is a Human AI aboard.

Give me a D...

  • 06.18.2006 7:36 PM PDT
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Are you sure ??
she detected it on the forerunner ship
and not high charity. I clearly remember her
fighting this Ai a s chief was trying to make his
way TO the ship, not after, because she eas on high charity not
the forerunner ship..

If you could put some audio/ text conversions
from the game that would be awesome.

  • 06.18.2006 7:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: opogjijijp
Cortana detected the AI on the Forerunner ship, not High Charity. I doubt it was gravemind, because he would want the ship to stay at High Charity, and so does Cortana. The AI was fighting Cortana.

My Guess is that the Forerunner ship is called Manus Celer Dei, and it is a Human AI aboard.

Give me a D...


Yes. That too.
And how do you think the Gravemind could have controlled 2401? If I remember my cutscenes correctly( I know I do) the extent of Graveminds control of 2401 was a tentacle wrapped around 2401, not in any way connected to.
In addition to the fact that Gravemind AND 2401 are still on Delta Halo at this point in the game.

  • 06.18.2006 7:42 PM PDT
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Two minor details that might shake this theory a tad:
- The "AI" was never said to be an AI. She said "there seems to be a presence...fighting back...for a Covenant Construct it seems to be unusually formidable." I do not see AI in that; Covenant Construct part is doubted in the very statement.
- The presence was on the Forerunner Ship, not High Charity.

  • 06.18.2006 7:47 PM PDT
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how do you know that the gravemind was
still on Delta Halo at this point. It would appear that
the gravemind was on the ship at the time chief
was heading towardsthe Forerrunner ship, becuse
this is when the flood a overtaking High Charity
and everything on the ship is startng to look
flood infested and flood covered on the
walls and tentacles are oozing around everywhere.
This would seem to suggest to presense of the
gravemind at this point in the game.

  • 06.18.2006 7:53 PM PDT
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Yes, and by "Presence" she could have mistaken it for a Covenant AI, and we still no jack squat about Forerunner tech, maybe the ship has its own AI, maybe the ship IS and AI, or for all we know its just a flipping Fire wall.

  • 06.18.2006 7:53 PM PDT
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Theres somthing Bungie is'nt telling us about the Gravemind/Cortana deal. I really don't think Gravemind has any sort of physical control or interface with Cortana, just like I don't think Gravemind has any control other the physically holding onto 2401. That said I think the AI Cortana was fighting with aboard the forunner ship is the root to her strange behavior. (and yes the AI was abaord the ship. To Quote Cortana...

"There's somthing inside the ship... A presence... It's fighting back. For a Covenant construct it's unusually formidible."

I too also think that the Construct will be of human origins, and I even think that it's somehow another version of Cortana.

P.S.

Gravemind would have been on High Charity at this point since he was "presumably" aboard In Amber Clad which crashed inside of High Charity during the level "Gravemind" which took place before the level "High Charity".

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  • 06.18.2006 7:55 PM PDT
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You guys may be right after all
But it wasn't unreasonable to assume that the "presense"
could possible by the gravemind using 2401.

IF you guys have any theories as to who this "presense is PLEASE SAY, I'm really curious.

  • 06.18.2006 7:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: hunterm90
how do you know that the gravemind was
still on Delta Halo at this point. It would appear that
the gravemind was on the ship at the time chief
was heading towardsthe Forerrunner ship, becuse
this is when the flood a overtaking High Charity
and everything on the ship is startng to look
flood infested and flood covered on the
walls and tentacles are oozing around everywhere.
This would seem to suggest to presense of the
gravemind at this point in the game.


What possible reason would the Gravemind have for being on In Amber Clad when he could teleport there. The presence of the Flood on High Charity does not mean by default that the Gravemind was there.
The Gravemind most likely came to High Charity after it was safe for him to do so, i.e. when all the little Flood people wiped out resistance in the city, making it safe for him. And why would he want to stop Cortana from keeping the ship grounded if he wanted to stop the Halos from firing? If that ship lifted off without MC, then the Gravemind would know that Truth would win and activate the Halos. Just doesn't make sense.

  • 06.18.2006 8:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: hunterm90
You guys may be right after all
But it wasn't unreasonable to assume that the "presense"
could possible by the gravemind using 2401.

IF you guys have any theories as to who this "presense is PLEASE SAY, I'm really curious.


Like I said. I think the construct will be of human origins and will be another version of Cortana somehow. How I'm not sure, but thats what I think.

  • 06.18.2006 8:01 PM PDT
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You wanna theory on what the presence was?
It was a Forerunner AI carrying out it's program: to make sure that all things Forerunner function accordingly to stop the Flood.
It may not have known that the Flood were in High Charity(but it probably did), but even if it didn't, it would think, "Hey, something not of Forerunner origin is telling me to NOT take off with this ship. It must be evil. Time to fight it!"

There's your theory.

  • 06.18.2006 8:02 PM PDT
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And I just admitted I was wrong. I was mistaken.



Posted by: Fatal05
No, you're wrong. Go away.

  • 06.18.2006 8:04 PM PDT
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As I said, I believe it is either the Forerunner AI, or maybe a simple Firewall designed to protect the ship from any kind of outside interference to "protocol" or normal routines. And it wasn't active until. A. the Flood came within proximity, or B. Truth somehow managed to tap in manuel and order to launch, so the Firewall was there to block outside interfernce from his orders.

  • 06.18.2006 8:08 PM PDT
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the presence was a cow w/ nunchucks

  • 06.18.2006 8:13 PM PDT