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Posted by: ThatOneJedi
Can't help but notice that no one mentioned that Halsey, took a military asset (Kelly) away from the battlefield for her own reasons


Like how Parangosky ordered an interrogation on Fred WHILE Earth was being attacked by the Covenant?



Much like Ackerson wanted his own personal spartans.

  • 08.13.2012 1:08 PM PDT


Posted by: ThatOneJedi
Well, didn't say my reasons were right, just adding a point no one seemed to notice.

And Hood sent the task force to extract the Spartans and the technologies Halsey promised so, indirectly, it was her fault. I honestly don't thin its a bad thing to save the Spartans. She abducted them, indoctrinated them, half died from the augmentations (which weren't her fault) to fight a war and she wanted peace for them, wanted them to have a happy life.


Actually, IIRC, Halsey didn't mention ANYTHING about tech. Literally her message was trouble/send spartans if I recall right.

She didn't indoctrinate them, ONI did. same for Abducting.



Posted by: Poy Poy
It made me reconsider everything I've learnt about the Spartan project so far.

At least Ackerson was honest in his reasons for training Spartan-IIIs, "Trading lives for time".

Unlike Halsey, who grew a conscience somewhere along the way in desperately tried to save "her" Spartans by abducting them to Onyx.

Don't take my word for it, but I found Halsey a more interesting character instead of the shell she was pre-Glasslands.


So... somebody who has a conscience/grows one, is WORSE then somebody who went "Eh, let's send these 300+ kids that aren't even teenagers in shoddy armor to their deaths!"

A "Shell" pre-glasslands? Care to expand on that?

Sheesh, you sound like the "supposedly high moral compass" ODST in Glasslands.

*Reads what Halsey did, goes up with mind to kill her. Get's talked down by AI. On way back to room, looks at S3's, notes their size, young age, AND THAT THEY ARE SUICIDE soldiers. Has no issues with that AT ALL.*

[Edited on 08.13.2012 1:37 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2012 1:36 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
if Parangosky's right, horrible things to the families. I get the sense people forget that Parangosky is angry with her because the clones themselves suffered through a long, painful genetic break down, and for years the families had to watch their children die that painful death. Halsey should haved known that was going to happen, and if she'd known, she would have known that she was bringing no comfort to the families. Hence, why Parangosky thinks she did it for herself.

Halsey is a flawed human being--she is cold and calculating, and puts science at a dangerously high level next to morality. Parangosky's a flawed person too: she's a vengeful -blam!- who will kill or destroy the lives of anyone who crosses her (or lies to her). As a reader, I have no real opinion about them. I'm just here to watch what happens.



The clones lasted for a few weeks if not a month or two tops, not "years". Halsey did the to give the families closure to know that their child did die instead of grieving for decades wondering what happened to them, checking "is this your child" posters, or wondering if their child might have been recovered in a recent sex slave circuit.


Morality has no place in logic. What the government asked her to do was a logical one.
What about in Homecoming for Daisy? She didn't look 6. She looked like she went through years of training and finally cracked. Sure she had a few augmentations, but she was 14 by then! Meaning the clone had been around for what? 8 years, explain that.


You are seriously trying to use the artistic license in glasslands in this conversation? not to mention they aren't going to show a 6 year old kid.
That doesn't answer my question. Legends is canon and it looks like Daisy's clone made it for 8 years. No way to go around that.

  • 08.13.2012 3:59 PM PDT

Glasslands is worse then fanfic. I know for -blam!-s sake. Halsey and Mendez acting like two 13 year olds that just broke up. Fred and the S-II become spinless idiots. TWO next S-II pop up out of nowhere. EVERYONE EVEN THAT ROCK TURNING ON HALSEY FOR RETARDED REASONS. LUCY punching THE 60+ HALSEY in the face WHILE GOING CRAZY, and the worst is a broken nose? The only good this is that the book ended...but now we have a second book comming in.



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  • 08.13.2012 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
Personally I think people just need to step the heck back and acknowledge that her project is what won the freaking war for humanity.

I didn't really care too much before to be honest, but after the sensationalist crap in that book I find myself defending for some reason. However, I feel that arguing that her project saved us from the war to say that she is redeemable is wrong. She didn't know about the Covenant when making the Spartans. She had no foresight so it is sort of irrelevant. However, pointing this out is also irrelevant. I just though I would mention it to you; it's not a sound argument.

It isn't to say that her actions were any less necessary though. The Innies were mounting up to attacks that were in many ways no better than the things the Covenant did, with the bombings of cities with WMDs. It's hard to argue that the Carver Findings that lead her to agree to the Spartan Project in the first place could have been wrong or unconvincing to her when the evidence of its accuracy mounted up over the years with increased Innie attacks. Humanity's civilization ending at the hands of aliens isn't really any better than it ending at the hands of itself, especially for the billions that would die in such a civil war. I have no idea why people saying that her lack of foresight is relevant in any way.

There's also that trite that goes something along the lines of her supporting a totalitarian regime through the Spartan Project blah blah blah. That may be true from an objective perspective, but probably not from her perspective. Ignoring the question of whether or not the UNSC actually is totalitarian and not just protecting the interests of the people paying to support these bloody outer colonies and pouring millions into the start up capitol for them, as well as funding the Navy and military that sheds its own blood to protect them, Halsey didn't create the Spartans to further the UNSCs dominance. She did in part due to her concerns about a likely civil war, in part due to scientific advancement (One genuine criticism unfortunately flanderized to ridiculous levels by some people) and maybe from a belief that Humanity is better off together as one rather than split up. I don't see where there is room for her support of the UNSC as a regime though.

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  • 08.13.2012 4:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Poy Poy
It made me reconsider everything I've learnt about the Spartan project so far.

At least Ackerson was honest in his reasons for training Spartan-IIIs, "Trading lives for time".

Unlike Halsey, who grew a conscience somewhere along the way in desperately tried to save "her" Spartans by abducting them to Onyx.

Don't take my word for it, but I found Halsey a more interesting character instead of the shell she was pre-Glasslands.
Halsey grew a conscience waaaay before Glasslands, like when the S-II were being trained. Its in FoR, I'm not going to bother to try and explain it to you since it seems you just like Halo for the morals.



-Nate'

  • 08.13.2012 4:24 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
That doesn't answer my question. Legends is canon and it looks like Daisy's clone made it for 8 years. No way to go around that.


As I recall...

A: That family was massively rich, and thus afforded all the fancy out the window medical supplies/treatments that allowed the clone to live that long.
B: Tying in with above, it was like, the ONLY clone that lasted that long. It was not the typical span, in ANY shape way or form.

  • 08.13.2012 5:10 PM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
That doesn't answer my question. Legends is canon and it looks like Daisy's clone made it for 8 years. No way to go around that.


As I recall...

A: That family was massively rich, and thus afforded all the fancy out the window medical supplies/treatments that allowed the clone to live that long.
B: Tying in with above, it was like, the ONLY clone that lasted that long. It was not the typical span, in ANY shape way or form.
Did you not pay attention to the story? How the other spartans who escaped either killed the clone with their weapons or committed suicide themselves. At least 4 clones made it for 8 years. I think it's safe to assume if a select few escaped and all of them managed to have their clones survive that long, a decent percentage lived for a few years. Or it could just be a big coincidence.

Ralph-303: My clone. He was...he was sick. I think I killed him.
Driver: Transport to base. Custody of Daisy-023 and Ralph-303 restored. Subjects' ETA: one hour. After making contact with their clones, the remaining two escapees used their small arms to commit suicide.

[Edited on 08.13.2012 7:19 PM PDT]

  • 08.13.2012 7:17 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
That doesn't answer my question. Legends is canon and it looks like Daisy's clone made it for 8 years. No way to go around that.


As I recall...

A: That family was massively rich, and thus afforded all the fancy out the window medical supplies/treatments that allowed the clone to live that long.
B: Tying in with above, it was like, the ONLY clone that lasted that long. It was not the typical span, in ANY shape way or form.
Did you not pay attention to the story? How the other spartans who escaped either killed the clone with their weapons or committed suicide themselves. At least 4 clones made it for 8 years. I think it's safe to assume if a select few escaped and all of them managed to have their clones survive that long, a decent percentage lived for a few years. Or it could just be a big coincidence.

Ralph-303: My clone. He was...he was sick. I think I killed him.
Driver: Transport to base. Custody of Daisy-023 and Ralph-303 restored. Subjects' ETA: one hour. After making contact with their clones, the remaining two escapees used their small arms to commit suicide.


4, out of 75. I don't label that as a "Hey nearly all lived for many years and suffered horribly."

  • 08.13.2012 8:08 PM PDT

IF i remember correctly, she DID find Forerunner tech at Onyx so she may of been lying to get the battle group there however she fif pull through in a massive way.
I feel about Halsey herself that she seems to be an ok person as she did try and save those she care about(Her Spartans the SII's) but at the same time i realize she should of at least ask them if they WANTED to be "saved"

  • 08.14.2012 1:25 AM PDT

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My perspective of her changed a bit. Vaz's feelings towards her and what she did are one side I look at it. But at the same time I also see things the way the Spartans do. To them she is their mother and I'm sure some are grateful to her for giving them an opportunity to matter like they do.

So it's mixed feelings really. There's a side of me that thinks what she did was indeed monstrous, but at the same time I can understand her need to do it. What Halsey did and the lengths she took is what inevitably put humanity towards winning the war.

The problem I have however is the UNSC is leaving her out to dry, especially Parangosky becuase of what she pulled on Onyx. Her moral conviction is what got her in trouble, but it just goes to show she's human. She wants to save the lives that she took and manipulated.

  • 08.14.2012 1:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Bryanesie
My perspective of her changed a bit. Vaz's feelings towards her and what she did are one side I look at it. But at the same time I also see things the way the Spartans do. To them she is their mother and I'm sure some are grateful to her for giving them an opportunity to matter like they do.

So it's mixed feelings really. There's a side of me that thinks what she did was indeed monstrous, but at the same time I can understand her need to do it. What Halsey did and the lengths she took is what inevitably put humanity towards winning the war.

The problem I have however is the UNSC is leaving her out to dry, especially Parangosky becuase of what she pulled on Onyx. Her moral conviction is what got her in trouble, but it just goes to show she's human. She wants to save the lives that she took and manipulated.


That's the thing, it's not the UNSC ditching her or damning her, it's all ONI.

Glasslands made ONI into Cerberus's stupid cousin.

  • 08.14.2012 2:37 AM PDT

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The problem I have however is the UNSC is leaving her out to dry, especially Parangosky because of what she pulled on Onyx. Her moral conviction is what got her in trouble, but it just goes to show she's human. She wants to save the lives that she took and manipulated.
That's really what I think people forget when they complain about Glasslands and the "sudden" hate on Halsey.

Both Mendez and Parangosky hated Halsey because she was conflicted. Mendez wanted Halsey to constantly feel guilt over the lives she had ruined, possibly because he does, but she can't; she feels her actions were justified, and she's taken some great lengths to atone for those actions, none of which are enough in the eyes of Chief Mendez.

Parangosky, on the other hand, sees these attempts to make up for what she's done as weak and self-serving. Why bother replacing the abducted children with flash clones when you know their deaths will cause pain and suffering for the family too? (And then...you know...she kidnaps one of the most expensive military assets known to man, which kind of serves as the straw that breaks the camel's back.)

Mendez wants Halsey to feel the weight of the burden at all times, and because she can't, she's a heartless monster. Parangosky wants Halsey to accept moral ambiguity and wants her to be as cold and ruthless as sh is, but she can't, so she's weak.

And then there's every other character in the book, all of whom have a) unresolved issues of resentment with Halsey (Osman), or b) the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and an inherited bias from their commanding officer/squadmates (Vaz, everyone else).

Nothing about Halsey changed, it's just that we were finally shown her from a perspective other than her own or that of a Spartan-II. And as I've come to learn here in the Universe Forum, heaven help anyone who provides a veiwpoint not 100% flattering to Lord Halsey.

Off-topic: I'm re-reading The Fall of Reach, and Eric Nylund is a poor writer. The overall story is fine, but dialogue, character interaction and development, just terrible.

Reach-era Master Chief appears to have the mental capacity and deductive skills of a small child; the man is in his 40s and has been in the military for his entire life, I'm sure he doesn't need every detail spoon-fed to him.

[Edited on 08.14.2012 4:19 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2012 4:19 AM PDT

Mendez did a face-heel-turn, if I understand the trope correctly.

He went from being proud of his part in the Spartans, and their achievements, to suddenly hating everything about the S2 program. Meanwhile, he magically forgot his 'crimes' are far greater. 600+ to 900+ barely teenager (if that) spartans sent into suicide missions, that he trained? That's a bigger 'crime' then Halsey's actions.

It still doesn't excuse him suddenly seriously debating in his mind LETTING HALSEY STARVE to death, or accusing her of withholding information that'd cause them all to get harmed or killed.

Parangosky is just stupid. IIRC, she thinks the S2's CAN REUNITE with their families. Something both Halsey and Master Chief know can never happen. And Halsey "kidnapped" Kelly at a moment when... it really didn't matter. Kelly wouldn't have made the difference between utter destruction or salvation at Earth.

Every other character... so Magically the Spartan II's, all of them, have unresolved issues and thus hate Halsey. I don't buy it. Hell, IIRC, they INTRODUCE Naomi as "more likely to side WITH Halsey" yet it never happens. Naomi or the other Spartans don't ever defend or side with Halsey. They pitifully back down to the ODST when trying to get answers and he goes "Captain say no."

Osman was just retarded and should be killed. She shared top secret S2 details to ODSTs and a civilian, information that would destroy ONI. I'm surprised Parangosky didn't shoot Osman for that stunt.


Halsey changed drastically. It wasn't a "This is a different viewpoint" it was a "Bashing halsey." As I believe I've said, I'd have accepted it IF the times it's described from Halsey's PoV, she acted the same as before, or more in line with it. And if other characters ACTUALLY defended her, or showed the good. Instead it's 150% negative.

Seriously, for a supposedly unbiased viewpoint. It was very hateful. Not to mention the utter stupidity.

A high moral compass ODST hates Halsey after reading about the bad stuff only. I buy that. Then he just walks past the S3's, mentally acknowledges they are treated as suicide soldiers, and damn young, but he doesn't hate ONI or Mendez? What the -blam!-.



[Edited on 08.14.2012 4:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2012 4:50 AM PDT
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It made me reconsider everything I've learnt about the Spartan project so far.

At least Ackerson was honest in his reasons for training Spartan-IIIs, "Trading lives for time".

Unlike Halsey, who grew a conscience somewhere along the way in desperately tried to save "her" Spartans by abducting them to Onyx.



You must have been skipping pages in all the books because she always had a conscience, i think she even apologized to john before she even left his sight. She only took one spartan and hood sent the rest. It isn't like ONI wasn't going around and re-routing spartans for their own ends anyway.


She always pushed it away, all "for the greater good"

It was not until Onyx (or first strike) where her conscience finally caught up and started to take over.

  • 08.14.2012 5:32 AM PDT

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Mendez did a face-heel-turn, if I understand the trope correctly.
He did, and that's all I'm giving you.
It still doesn't excuse him suddenly seriously debating in his mind LETTING HALSEY STARVE to deathPage number? I don't remember that happening. Parangosky is just stupid. IIRC, she thinks the S2's CAN REUNITE with their families.I don't recall her even suggesting that. She gives them the opportunity to read their files, and what they chose to do with that information is up to them. I don't think any of the characters even entertain the idea of a reunion.

What can you really offer the Spartans? Their lives, hobbies, all of their interests are intertwined with their military duty. Closure, that's what.And Halsey "kidnapped" Kelly at a moment when... it really didn't matter.She fled a battle. For a crowd as morally absolute as you folks, I thought cowardice would be a pretty easy one.

Halsey fled, and it finally gave Parangosky a reason to go after her that wouldn't also take her down in the process.
Every other character... so Magically the Spartan II's, all of them, have unresolved issues and thus hate Halsey. I don't buy it. Hell, IIRC, they INTRODUCE Naomi as "more likely to side WITH Halsey" yet it never happens. Naomi or the other Spartans don't ever defend or side with Halsey. They pitifully back down to the ODST when trying to get answers and he goes "Captain say no."Did you even read the book? Do you understand anything? They did defend Halsey; Fred even tried to talk them out of it.

In the end, their perfect military discipline kicked in and they didn't defy a superior officer. (Not the first time anything like this has happened in Halo lore either.)Osman was just retarded and should be killed. She shared top secret S2 details to ODSTs and a civilian, information that would destroy ONI. I'm surprised Parangosky didn't shoot Osman for that stunt.I think it's very clear that, as the heir of ONI, Osman is given near free-reign to operate Kilo-Five. If it wasn't explicitly stated (I believe it was, but I could be wrong), I like to think that the fact that Osman reported to the Vice Admiral on a daily basis kind of shed some light on Parangosky's awareness of the unit's daily operations.Halsey changed drastically. It wasn't a "This is a different viewpoint" it was a "Bashing halsey." As I believe I've said, I'd have accepted it IF the times it's described from Halsey's PoV, she acted the same as before, or more in line with it.With regard toward her journal, her demeanor in Reach, and all past interpretations of Halsey, she behaves as would be expected.

Is she as calm and collected as she was in The Fall of Reach? No, of course not! That wouldn't make any sense. She's not in the safety of her office on a UNSC-controlled military fortress world, she's stuck behind enemy lines in an artificial alien sphere with a man that hates her, all the while not knowing if the world she knows outside still exists.

Most people would be somewhat on edge too, and that was before she learned that he daughter was dead and that she'd be arrested for war crimes.

It's called character development, and it's what drives a story.Seriously, for a supposedly unbiased viewpoint. It was very hateful. Not to mention the utter stupidity.You're aware that these characters aren't real people, right? Are you referring to the author? I don't think the author hates her characters.A high moral compass ODST hates Halsey after reading about the bad stuff only. I buy that. Then he just walks past the S3's, mentally acknowledges they are treated as suicide soldiers, and damn young, but he doesn't hate ONI or Mendez? What the -blam!-.I believe the phrase you're looking for is "high and mighty." And yes, Kilo-Five is, but they're new to the intelligence community, they'll learn to stomach atrocities in due time.

And doesn't Mendez's comment about not smelling the stink 'til you're out of the sewer ring truer than ever at that moment? There's irony to be found at that moment in the book; you'd be better off appreciating and hoping it pays off in Traviss' next Halo installment than being angry.

Also, did that happen before or after Vaz almost killed Halsey? If before, wouldn't you just consider it buildup to the former? Reading Naomi's file was Vaz's breaking point. Reading the terrible things that have happened to Naomi had greater impact because *gasp*, he cares about Naomi!

Now please don't tell me you let that obvious plot point get past you.

[Edited on 08.14.2012 6:14 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2012 6:10 AM PDT

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Dr. Catherine Halsey is not black and white, she is about as damn near grey as I have ever seen. I believe at the time when the Spartan 2's were being kidnapped as children was wrong, and her justifications were wrong also, to kidnap children for a super soldier program just to fight a rebellion that would've had alot of bloodshed is just morally wrong, her thinking at that time was sacrifice some for the greater good, but then the covenant made their oh so timely arrival onto the scene, now instead of fighting rebels to keep hold over what they had, they now fought for mans very survival, as we were numerically, technologically, and tactically outnumbered, the Spartans were turned toward the much greater threat, and as Dr. Halsey saw her Spartans die by the 1's, 2's, ect she started to see things at a different angle, if one spartan who sacrificed themselves to save many others, then maybe it was worth trying to save all of them, her actions on stealing a spartan, were to PROTECT others, but to do that, she would need a Spartans help, knowing full well that the chief would most likely say no, and there was a conveniently knocked out spartan, her choice was simple. So them arresting her and all the other stuff in my opinion is a little to one sided.

This is by no means a full explanation and this is just a personal opinion of mine. :)

  • 08.14.2012 6:46 AM PDT


Posted by: AgingWhite Fire
IF i remember correctly, she DID find Forerunner tech at Onyx so she may of been lying to get the battle group there however she fif pull through in a massive way.
I feel about Halsey herself that she seems to be an ok person as she did try and save those she care about(Her Spartans the SII's) but at the same time i realize she should of at least ask them if they WANTED to be "saved"
No S-II wanted to be saved. Thats like asking if you want the earth to stop rotating around the sun, it wan't be done. The S-II 's have been in the war from the very start of the war. The only way for Halsey to save her spartans was to trick them into the core of the planet otherwise they'd just find a way off the planet and head stright for the frontlines again.

Also it was never about the Forerunner teach to get the spartans there. That was an excuse she used to get Lord Hood to send Blue team. The only reason she went to Onxy was in order to save the S-III's before it was too late like it was for her S-II's




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Legends is canon and it looks like Daisy's clone made it for 8 years. No way to go around that.


Artistic license just like everything else in Legends.

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And Halsey "kidnapped" Kelly at a moment when... it really didn't matter.She fled a battle. For a crowd as morally absolute as you folks, I thought cowardice would be a pretty easy one.

Halsey fled, and it finally gave Parangosky a reason to go after her that wouldn't also take her down in the process.

Halsey changed drastically. It wasn't a "This is a different viewpoint" it was a "Bashing halsey." As I believe I've said, I'd have accepted it IF the times it's described from Halsey's PoV, she acted the same as before, or more in line with it.With regard toward her journal, her demeanor in Reach, and all past interpretations of Halsey, she behaves as would be expected.

Is she as calm and collected as she was in The Fall of Reach? No, of course not! That wouldn't make any sense. She's not in the safety of her office on a UNSC-controlled military fortress world, she's stuck behind enemy lines in an artificial alien sphere with a man that hates her, all the while not knowing if the world she knows outside still exists.

Most people would be somewhat on edge too, and that was before she learned that he daughter was dead and that she'd be arrested for war crimes.

It's called character development, and it's what drives a story.

Seriously, for a supposedly unbiased viewpoint. It was very hateful. Not to mention the utter stupidity.

You're aware that these characters aren't real people, right? Are you referring to the author? I don't think the author hates her characters.




1.Yet we hear nothing of hood or the rest of the UNSC making such a large deal about it. Not to mention ONI held fred during the battle of Earth which isn't different than kelly being gone other than "it was done legally".


2.Um, Halsey wasn't acting like this during GoO and that situation far far more dramatic than walking in a bubble.I don't see the difference in that either since nobody really liked her to begin with so for it do be "different" because she is alone with them doesn't add up when she was surrounded by those types of people and ONI on Reach.

It didn't develop anything nor did it "drive a story". IF Ackerson was the focus of this novel then it would have been perfect but all this did was randomly bash a character because the author though it would be interesting.


3. Karen clearly doesn't care much if she didn't brush up on her halo knowledge before hand. The book is biased since it only offers one viewpoint and then tries saying that Ackerson's Suicide soldiers weren't that bad.

  • 08.14.2012 10:11 AM PDT

I think it's very clear that, as the heir of ONI, Osman is given near free-reign to operate Kilo-Five. If it wasn't explicitly stated (I believe it was, but I could be wrong), I like to think that the fact that Osman reported to the Vice Admiral on a daily basis kind of shed some light on Parangosky's awareness of the unit's daily operations.

Clear example of Author doing zero research. Parangosky, as ONI is said to operate, has not power to choose an "heir" or pick her replacement. That power is entirely with the board of Admirals. Instead, Glasslands tries to spin that ONI is it's own Government, nation, and has it's own laws and doesn't have to even ANSWER to the UNSC.



It still doesn't excuse him suddenly seriously debating in his mind LETTING HALSEY STARVE to deathPage number? I don't remember that happening.

I remember reading it in the preview chapters posted online, if not then, very early on in the book.

Parangosky is just stupid. IIRC, she thinks the S2's CAN REUNITE with their families.I don't recall her even suggesting that. She gives them the opportunity to read their files, and what they chose to do with that information is up to them. I don't think any of the characters even entertain the idea of a reunion.

What can you really offer the Spartans? Their lives, hobbies, all of their interests are intertwined with their military duty. Closure, that's what.


Does Parangosky not -blam!- at Halsey about the flash clones because they died, and thus the parents think their children are dead?

Does that not, in addition to opening up the files, imply Parangosky thinks the Spartan II's COULD go back to their families?

[Edited on 08.14.2012 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2012 4:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: AgingWhite Fire
IF i remember correctly, she DID find Forerunner tech at Onyx so she may of been lying to get the battle group there however she fif pull through in a massive way.
I feel about Halsey herself that she seems to be an ok person as she did try and save those she care about(Her Spartans the SII's) but at the same time i realize she should of at least ask them if they WANTED to be "saved"
No S-II wanted to be saved. Thats like asking if you want the earth to stop rotating around the sun, it wan't be done. The S-II 's have been in the war from the very start of the war. The only way for Halsey to save her spartans was to trick them into the core of the planet otherwise they'd just find a way off the planet and head stright for the frontlines again.

Also it was never about the Forerunner teach to get the spartans there. That was an excuse she used to get Lord Hood to send Blue team. The only reason she went to Onxy was in order to save the S-III's before it was too late like it was for her S-II's




-Nate'


ok fair enough i conside that point on them not wanting to be saved.

That may of beeen the lie she used, HOWEVER she did end up finding tech that otherwise would of been lost and that would greatly improe humanities space craft, so in the end maybe her lying and fleeing with some SII's actually was a good thing.

  • 08.14.2012 9:03 PM PDT

Sharks with friggen lasers!

Off Topic: Haha wow. I've been reading the title as "GRASSlands" for over a month and just realised now it's Glasslands.

I haven't read it yet and have been meaning to pick up a copy. Is it worth getting?

  • 08.15.2012 6:02 AM PDT

I haven't actually picked up Glasslands yet. The last book in the Halo series I read was The Cole Protocol. Is this one actually worth picking up?

  • 08.15.2012 7:34 AM PDT