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Posted by: Primo84
You're argument unraveled when you brought up Ackerson. Who is even talking about Ackerson? Does the book even go into great detail about him? What's there to say?
Since Vaz is clearly okay with the S3's being young AND suicide soldiers, I can only assume his 'moral compass' is seriously fubar.
You think that by not mentioning him, the characters condoned his methods? Hell, why not bring Darth Vader into this? He's about as relevant to this conversation as Ackerson, so why the hell not?
Above statement. Parangosky hails Ackerson I believe, and says he gets a heroes treatment in death while Halsey just gets a name on a plaque.
And the Elites? Where are the human sympathizers, you ask? All of the Arbiter's troops, right? And was the Arbiter a major character in this book? No, he wasn't. He made two appearances and was referenced several times by who? His enemies.
As Anton said, of the two named characters who support Thel, both support peace ONLY until the Elites are strong enough to wipe out humanity. Until then, they'll live at peace. There is no indication of ANYBODY wanting a lasting peace. Thel himself can be viewed that way as well. They don't go "I personally think the humans need wiped out... but the numbers of those who respect humanity and want a lasting peace is too great." it's "I support peace, merely because we can't wipe out humanity this instant."
You're the same people that got mad when Halo 2 dropped and you had to play as Thel, aren't you?
While I preferred playing as chief, no, I did not get mad at all when halo 2 arrived and Thel was a playable character.
And can someone please look up the word 'perspective." There were many, but they all had similar opinions. Up until this point, we've only seen Halsey from the perspective of surviving (that part is important) Spartans, and *ta-da!, Halsey herself.
So magically every other viewpoint is negative?
And you want to talk about biased? Here you have a bunch of indoctrinated troops that more or less see her as their mother, and the woman herself. Wow, I wonder how she's going to be portrayed?
Only, Halsey is not the only person we've seen perspectives of. Hell, IIRC, Lord Hood outright verbally smashed Ackerson into the ground for being disrespectful to Halsey.
- Osman has feelings of abandonment/betrayal after nearly having her life ruined and washing out of S-II.
Yet was fully rehabilitated, and able to live a normal life. No thanks to Halsey's medical research.
- Naomi is conflicted, and is confused after reading about the clones in Haley's journal.
And before then? Never says anything good about Halsey
- Vaz hates Halsey for abducting a Spartan, lying in order to acquire more Spartans, and fleeing from the war with the intention of hiding. He also takes it to heart because he obviously has a thing for Naomi.
Yet he is also perfectly fine with the Spartan 3's being both young and suicide soldiers. Makes perfect sense right? Hate Halsey, be fine with your boss sending teenagers on suicide missions.
- Mal doesn't hate anyone, because Mal only serves as Vaz's cool-headed foil. Don't believe me, check out page 404 of Glasslands: Mal brings up literally everything you're arguing, nearly word for word. There's your other perspective, and it's the only one we saw in books 1-5.
Might've missed that point, but obviously he didn't make that much an impact.
- Parangosky only tolerated Halsey because she needed her. She eventually found out she had been lied to about the clones, but she waited, because she still needed Halsey. She sees Halsey's use of the clones as a feeble attempt to make herself feel better, and the Vice Admiral finds it selfish and pathetic. Now that Halsey has committed some crimes that nearly confirm those feelings toward her, added to the fact that the bulk of the fighting is over and she doesn't need the doctor as much, Parangosky is finally going after her for years of decrepit and manipulation. She sees Halsey's attempt to replace the Spartan children with clones as high and mighty, and she has to remind Halsey that they're the same.
Only, ALL previous lore implied or stated the clones were known by all of ONI, aka, part of the plan. She hates Halsey because Halsey had the GUTS to give the families CLOSURE, instead of being forced to wonder forever "What happened to my child"
Also, I have to wonder how the -blam!- clones escaped Parangosky's notice for so long, since she BOASTED about having hacked into ALL of Halsey's personal files, implying she had done it long ago.
She outright got turned into the Illusive man's retarded sister.
- Mendez is a hypocrite and a "good soldier who was just following orders," on par with the Nazi SS. Everyone, save for Vaz, sees him that way, and I think it's eaten away at him. Does he feel ashamed for his involvement in S-III? Maybe, but I know his sudden loathing of Dr. Halsey has a lot to with the Parangosky-like shortcomings he sees in her.
Mendez was utterly changed, and Traviss outright said she rewrote/rebuilt characters. He went from being proud in his part of the Spartan programs and their results against the UNSC's enemies, to suddenly hating everything about the S2's. Meanwhile, he acts like his training of at least 600+ people, BARELY teenagers(who all got sent to suicide missions), isn't worth notice or being MORE ashamed with himself then with Halsey.
Halsey is a useful Parangosky with a bigger ego and conscience.
Parangosky has the bigger ego, and I'll take a damn Conscience over stupidity any day of the week.