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Deva Path
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: grey101
I don't care if you are hostile to meYou obviously do if you feel the need to call me on it. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by doing it either, it's not like I make it a secret: I think you're dumb. You don't know how to argue, and you don't seem to understand anything that not made blatantly obvious to you.I tend not to read post that aren't addressed to meYou don't tend to read posts that are addressed to you.Just because you tend not to look at details doesn't mean everybody else does the sameI post direct quotes from the book, page numbers, etc. You do the equivalent of plugging your ears and screaming "I'm right. I can't hear you," when provided any evidence contrary to your opinion.
All you post are general statements that only serve to highlight just how poor your reading comprehension is."these people aren't real and they don't matter".You use word like "slander," as if these are real people, and we should be standing outside Karen Traviss' house with torches and pitchforks for daring to sully the good name of dear Catherine Halsey.
Should we boycott George Lucas for killing off Vader in Episode IV?
Grow up, child.What do you mean "where was the point"? If they are trying to make Halsey so damn bad they should know the reason's behind the projects and know the difference between them.You've completely misinterpreted what I said, and it only goes to showcase your poor reading comprehension.
The ODSTs, and general service members, only know of Spartans and S-II; they're completely in the dark about the details. (Because they're classified. I shouldn't have to point this out, but..you know...it's you.) When Osman explains who Halsey/BB/Whoever describe the Spartans and who Halsey is, they not one make the distinction between S-II and S-III, and that they were projects ran by two different people. They have the same name, are designated in sequence, and it would be logical for one with no other knowledge to assume that they're one in the same. (I imagine they might also think there are Spartan-I's out there somewhere. Technically, there aren't...technically.)Which is a fault on Karens part and fuels the idea that this is a one sided novel that bashes halsey without addressing the wrong others have done and the details behind the events that were done.So you're of the mindset that, because it explored the morality of Halsey's actions, it should explore the morality of all those who acted like her? That'd be quite a lengthy book.
You do understand how storytelling works, right? You can't just interrupt the story to address every somewhat relevant plot point from the overarching fictional universe; that make it very confusing to follow and obliterate the flow of the story.Lol, you are trying to rationalize what ackerson died because he died "a hero's death"? incredible.Nice straw man, chief. I'm going to let you do the work and look up what a straw man argument is.
For the record, what he did was heroic. What Halsey accomplished did save humanity. However, those results don't make their past actions and the means they used to accomplish those ends any less inhuman.
The ends justified the means, but they were some horrifying means.
I'm not so foolish to think this
will absolve me of my sins. One life
hardly balances billions.
That is from mendicant bias, a machine that regonizes nearly nothing he will do will ever make what he did any better or give it any reasoning.Super.The same applies for Ackerson; Him leading the covenant on a little goose chase doesn't make up for the children that he sent to their deaths without any care.You're right, and it doesn't. I never said that it does.
You're aware that Ackerson, while likely sending them to their deaths, was sending them on actual military missions against priority targets, right? He wasn't just lining them up and shooting them in the head.
Sabotage and subterfuge are just as important in war as conventional combat. The missions of the S-IIIs slowed the Covenant war effort and spared millions/billions of lives.
What if the Covenant's war production was running at full capacity and the Covenant Loyalists had more ships at their disposal during The Battle of The Ark? (Might be a bad example, seeing as Shadow of Intent managed to defeat a force with triple their numbers, but you get the point...hopefully.)I love how you are seriously trying to make it seem like what halsey is getting is right despite the guilt she has and the fact she did do everything she could for her spartans.What is she getting? She gets to live on in indentured servitude to ONI conducting more scientific research. It's not ideal, but I like to think it's better than a firing squad, especially considering the crimes she committed at the end of First Strike/beginning of Ghosts of Onyx.
And if the things she did to complete the Spartan-II Project come to light? Why is that such a horrible thing? They did happen. She's an adult, she has to own up to her actions, and if the UEG or the public don't like it, so be it.
Then again, it's not like she'll receive punishment for it; she's legally dead.[quote]Ackerson gets a "get out of jail free" pass because he just played hid and seek with the covenant? something that surely got peopled killed in that little game? That is utterly ridiculous and filled with hypocrisy.Ackerson was tortured for information and then beheaded. His actions near his death led the Covenant on a chase while they could've been doing what they originally intended to do: murder civilians.
Is that brutal enough for you?
1.I love how you always act like you know me or what i am thinking. The point of calling you out is so you can stop with the petty insults and focus on the topic as you clearly can
t support your point alone if you need to make ad homeinem remarks on a random member you have some random issue with.
You think i am "dumb" yet i can speak without insulting somebody you are better than me if intelligence is based of the amount of insults and remarks one can give. "You don't know how to argue" simply because i refuse to call you remarks? Seriously, you are acting immature and it isn't doing you any good.
2. You just said not everybody pays attention to the details in light of a huge revelation yet you are saying my reading comprehension should be question because i pay attention? " evidence contrary to your opinion. Which is the issue here, you aren't going to by able to change my opinion not to mention you shouldn't be arguing against somebody's opinion in such a matter and with the reasoning you are.
Not to mention you are singling me out more than anybody yet my stance isn't different from most others in this thread so clearly you aren't here for my "opinion".
3.Because i feel like she didn't do a good job of writing because it is rather one sided and there was no perspective. That isn't childish and you seriously can''t call me that since you are the one resorting to attacks to keep your "argument" up. You are just mad about something i did/said months if not years ago and just want to try taking it out on me now. Which isn't a new thing.
4. It isn't my reading comprehension it's your motive to attack. I said several times that the lack of perspective and backstory is an issue in the novel which ties in to the Spartan IIs and IIIs. If you seriously think i have a mental issue yet keep trying to explain something to me which i don't have the intelligence to understand then you are the slow one not me. So stop attacking and start trying to see my point.
5. How in the world would it be a "lengthy book" to briefly explain the history of the project? I think the innes got a brief passage in "The life of cole" and i am sure that ORION didn't get half the novel of "TFoR". It would probably take two pages to visibly explain everything if not a "So they sat us down and explained the history to us" would have sufficed.
You are over exaggerating again.
6. So you aren't trying to rationalize Ackerson yet you say what he did was indeed heroic? As a general rule of thumb you shouldn't try pointing out others fallacies unless you are 100 percent sure you haven't done any yourself. In which everybody makes fallacies.
I never tried saying that i have said several times that two sides of the story should have been included so the reader can pick their stance on the matters. We know that Ackerson is worse than Halsey yet everybody now thinks Halsey is worse because nobody knows about Ackerson despite GoO being out for years now.
7. So you are trying to say no civilians were murdered whatsoever when the covenant were on that chase?
Um, a single adult being beheaded doesn't add up to the hundreds of children (most under 10) being slaughtered.