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This is based on Einstiens theories
if you wanted to go light speed then you would need an infinite amount of energy becuase as you increase speed your mass increases at an equal rate which will make your mass infinite. that in theory could turn it into a black hole (1 teaspoon of a blackhole can equal easily 2 tons) then you would keep the same velocity while increasing until you become so extremly massed that you could not move.
use E=MCsquared Energy equals Mass times Speed of light squared.
for proof read A Brief Study of Time by Steven Hawkings

  • 09.27.2004 6:36 PM PDT
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.....its.....a........game......yo

  • 09.27.2004 7:15 PM PDT
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Well thanks for bringing that to my attention. If i wanted to know that i would have looked it up. Shouldnt this be in the flood?

  • 09.27.2004 7:16 PM PDT
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Shouldnt this be in the flood?

no not really because he is talking about the reality of the pillar of autumn busting through light speed, which is a good argument but for a "game", a tad uncalled for.

  • 09.27.2004 7:22 PM PDT
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yeh

  • 09.27.2004 7:24 PM PDT
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they dont go light speed, they enter like another dimension or something (called slipspace) where they travel at god knows what speed and then come back out to the other dimension, i think this is how it works.

if somebodies recently read first strike or Fall of reach and know what slipspace is and how fast they travel in it please reply

  • 09.27.2004 8:12 PM PDT
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yes, slipspace not light speed.

  • 09.27.2004 8:35 PM PDT
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very nice sig prancer! :-)

  • 09.27.2004 8:48 PM PDT
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Slipspace is a fourth dimension. Basically, when the Shaw-Fujikawa drives on the UNSC vessels activate, it rips a hole into this dimension and the ships pass through the hole. In Slipspace, time, space, gravity, and mass all have no real meaning. As for how fast they go, I am not sure. But its main benefit is to take shortcuts through the universe. You wouldn't have to worry about flying AROUND a planet to get out of the gravity well, you just fly through it, which saves a lot of time.

But back to the topic. They aren't going to lightspeed, that is theoretically impossible. They are going into another dimension, and as our scientists already believe that there are seven dimensions, and that with enough force upon their barriers, will allow us to enter them.

[Edited on 9/28/2004 4:54:54 AM]

  • 09.28.2004 4:53 AM PDT

bah

Sigh...
Posted by: jpspartan117aslt
This is based on Einstiens theories
if you wanted to go light speed then you would need an infinite amount of energy becuase as you increase speed your mass increases at an equal rate which will make your mass infinite.
True. However, any fuel that you are carrying also increases in mass, meaning that you get more energy out of it. Your mass increases, but so does the energy in your fuel.that in theory could turn it into a black hole (1 teaspoon of a blackhole can equal easily 2 tons)A blackhole is infinitely dense and a literal point of matter in the universe. All of the mass of a blackhole is condesnsed into a point. A teaspoon of blackhole would weigh more than the sun. A teaspoon of a neutron star would weight about 2 tons.then you would keep the same velocity while increasing until you become so extremly massed that you could not move.You could continue to move, just not accelerate due to outside forces.

The reason you cannot accelerate up to the speed of light is because as you get closer and closer, your time slows down. It would reach the point where your time was going so slowly you would simply run out of room to accelerate. From your perspective, you would be going many thousands of times the speed of light (if we discount length contraction) and you would quickly be out of the range of anything to observe your speed.

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Posted by: jpspartan117aslt
This is based on Einstiens theories
if you wanted to go light speed then you would need an infinite amount of energy becuase as you increase speed your mass increases at an equal rate which will make your mass infinite. that in theory could turn it into a black hole (1 teaspoon of a blackhole can equal easily 2 tons) then you would keep the same velocity while increasing until you become so extremly massed that you could not move.
use E=MCsquared Energy equals Mass times Speed of light squared.
for proof read A Brief Study of Time by Steven Hawkings


Actually, (in sci fi anyways) you don't have to go faster than light speed to beat it, all you need to do is fold space
Example
to show this, take a piece of paper (this represents space-time), then put two points on it, at opposite ends. now what is the fastest way to get from the first point to the second? you would think a straight line between the two points (which is probably around 11 inches on the flat piece of paper- which light can travel along only so fast...) But what happens when you fold the paper so that the 2 points are touching? you get from point one to point two way quicker, but you don't pass the speed of light.

Now how to do that is up to the sci-fi part...

or be able to create/go to another dimension/universe that translates distance differently than with our universe which is less possible than the first option, from what I understand...

  • 09.28.2004 8:27 AM PDT

HALO 2 will rule 4ever. It is Halo and it is enougth. Thanks Bungie, our life will never be the same.

it is called worm hole(i think in portuguese buraco de verme)

  • 09.28.2004 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Blackmarch
Actually, (in sci fi anyways) you don't have to go faster than light speed to beat it, all you need to do is fold space
Example
to show this, take a piece of paper (this represents space-time), then put two points on it, at opposite ends. now what is the fastest way to get from the first point to the second? you would think a straight line between the two points (which is probably around 11 inches on the flat piece of paper- which light can travel along only so fast...) But what happens when you fold the paper so that the 2 points are touching? you get from point one to point two way quicker, but you don't pass the speed of light.

Now how to do that is up to the sci-fi part...

or be able to create/go to another dimension/universe that translates distance differently than with our universe which is less possible than the first option, from what I understand...


Ahh, I see someone has seen Event-Horizon. In Halo, the Shaw-Fujikawa drives never allowed the UNSC's ships the travel faster then light. As you approach the speed of light, not only does your mass increase but you physical size decreases (smaller + more mass= Denser volume of space). This combined with the fact that nothing man made, as of yet, could with-stand the forces that would be exerted on your vessel would makes light-speed (299,792,458 m/s in a vacuum) impossible. Another idea is that because time slows as you reach light speed, once you hit the speed of light your mass might become infinite. I.E. you would be able to travel anywhere instantly.

Now in Halo, Shaw-Fujikawa space wasn't even really space. It was more like a strange sub-space where in the laws of physics, with we are all bonded to, dang it, do not apply. As such not only is mass and volume superfluous, but so is velocity. So one might say that in Shaw-Fujikawa Space you speed is what ever you choose it to be; want to call it light speed? Go ahead. If you would recall, in the book it also said that not only was Shaw-Fujikawa, or slip space, was hard to navigate but also could cause a time fluctuation of hours or even days. Also it said that you could end up several hundred thousand meters off course.

PS - A.) You would not be able to measure a black hole's mass because its mass is "supposedly" infinite, thus its ability to pull in every thing, including light (black hole, get it?).
B.) Steven Hawkins’s book, A Brief History of Time is a good one but see also The Evolution of Physics By: Albert Einstein and Leopold Infield

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  • 09.28.2004 5:48 PM PDT
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Actually I haven't seen event horizon, but I'm an avid sci-fi reader, and also like to read the science magazines- so I see tons of ways different authors use to "cheat" light speed

  • 09.29.2004 9:32 AM PDT
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Saw the results of an experiment that made international news some time ago (a year ago? maybe more...) where scientists actually got light to go faster than "the speed of light" (Huh? Light going faster than the speed of light? Could you run that by me again?)

In addition, scientists are always speculating about anti-matter and particles that travel faster than the speed of light. A large contingent of very smart and studied physicists believe these particles exist.

I think there is a popular movement within the science community that challenges the "time gets slowed down" theory In other words, the story about the boy who jets off into space, and returns to find his sibling is 85 year old, while the traveler is still in his teens, is not true. I haven't studied into this.

I am a personal believer in the higher dimensions that allow things to apparently travel faster than light as viewed in 3-D Euclidean geometry.

  • 09.29.2004 2:11 PM PDT
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hmm... i havent read anything about when you get close to light speed you get more dense...

  • 09.29.2004 2:31 PM PDT

bah

First off, you can measure the mass of a black hole Spike117. The mass stays the same as when it was a star. It's the gravity that gets infinitely large (I'm sure that's what you were thinking).

And scientists did, indeed, get some light rays to go faster. They were red light rays. Red is faster.

And time has been proven to slow down when going faster.

You cannot accelerate up to the speed of light, there is nothing, however, saying you can't go faster.

  • 09.29.2004 3:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: NobleNick
Saw the results of an experiment that made international news some time ago (a year ago? maybe more...) where scientists actually got light to go faster than "the speed of light" (Huh? Light going faster than the speed of light? Could you run that by me again?)

In addition, scientists are always speculating about anti-matter and particles that travel faster than the speed of light. A large contingent of very smart and studied physicists believe these particles exist.

I think there is a popular movement within the science community that challenges the "time gets slowed down" theory In other words, the story about the boy who jets off into space, and returns to find his sibling is 85 year old, while the traveler is still in his teens, is not true. I haven't studied into this.

I am a personal believer in the higher dimensions that allow things to apparently travel faster than light as viewed in 3-D Euclidean geometry.



I have heard the story about scientists speed light up in a tube of some sort of gas, but I haven't found the article

I do know that they have been able to slow light down to seven MPH I have seen a few articles on that.

  • 10.01.2004 8:26 AM PDT