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Subject: How did the Spartan II's have accents and personalities?

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I always wondered this. When I read the books, there were always little snippets that the Spartans would act somewhat normal. The problem is that they could not be normal at all. The forced bootcamp at 6 should have washed away anything approaching a normal personality.

Watch the Kurt Russel movie, Soldier. That is what they would really be like. Only able to communicate with each other, and then only in terms of military communication. The ideas of fun, or recreation would be lost on them, as they were never taught those things.

  • 08.16.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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This always got me too.

I think Master Chief was the closest thing to what I'd expect a person raised under those circumstances would be like in regard to his personality, and even that's a stretch.

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Because that's boring. Just like John.

  • 08.16.2012 1:39 PM PDT

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A lot of psychiatrists say that most a child's personality is formed before age 7, so I think they would have some remains of normal humanity.

  • 08.16.2012 1:40 PM PDT
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I was going to give a nice long talk on this but I forgot everything I was going to say.

Basically it comes down to the fact that they where at some point in their live exposed to something outside the military.

Like when they were kids. Some of them still remember their childhoods. Some took to the military indoctrination more than others.

  • 08.16.2012 1:41 PM PDT

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Pretty much what these two guys said ^^^

Also, add in the fact that we still are not sure if a person's personality and character traits are with us from birth. Certain people may have certain things in their genetic makeup that will bring things out regardless of upbringing. Nature vs. Nuture and all that. For example, my whole family are musically retarded, tone deaf and all, whereas I am the opposite. Where did that come from?

  • 08.16.2012 1:50 PM PDT

I heard base accent forms before/at 6 years old, and so does parts of personality.

And well, depending where you grow up... I'm sure if you lived in London for a while, you might get an accent from there :P.

  • 08.16.2012 1:53 PM PDT

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It was because it was never stated anywhere that their training program forbid any sort of recreational activities. Maybe I missed the reference though. Can you point out where that was mentioned?

Halsey was also against complete indoctrination when drawing up the program's outline. The Spartans are no where near normal, but given the wriggle room I don't think its impossible for them to have something that deviates a little from the usual super soldier trite.

  • 08.16.2012 2:03 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
It was because it was never stated anywhere that their training program forbid any sort of recreational activities. Maybe I missed the reference though. Can you point out where that was mentioned?

Halsey was also against complete indoctrination when drawing up the program's outline. The Spartans are no where near normal, but given the wriggle room I don't think its impossible for them to have something that deviates a little from the usual super soldier trite.
No. The S-II forget pretty much everything from their childhoods and thats how Halsey wanted it so that way they would never rebel since they forgot everything. When the Spartans are dropped off and have to find a way back to base, John has some time to think and it tries to remember his past but he says that the life he lived before the S-II felt like nothing more then a dream.



-Nate'

  • 08.16.2012 2:06 PM PDT

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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

The Spartan II's weren't abducted when they were babies. At the age they were 6 or 7, they knew how to talk for years and perfectly developed accents that remained with them.

I don't understand why people see this as something so weird.

  • 08.16.2012 2:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chester Duncan
No. The S-II forget pretty much everything from their childhoods and thats how Halsey wanted it so that way they would never rebel since they forgot everything.

She wanted agents that could understand their orders, and not become soulless robots that obeyed everything without question. They were indoctrinated to have full trust in the UNSC but still retained their autonomy so that they could make decisions better, and understand their orders.

Removing their childhood wasn't the goal of the indoctrination because it would almost be a non-factor if they ever chose to rebel. It was to make them trust the UNSC in the here-and-now. Them losing their childhood was just a side effect, and made it easier to control them during training. Evidently, it didn't work.

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When the Spartans are dropped off and have to find a way back to base, John has some time to think and it tries to remember his past but he says that the life he lived before the S-II felt like nothing more then a dream.

Right...so it felt like a dream, as in he had limited memory of it. As in, not completely forgotten. Which was what I said. There is wriggle room. Halsey said herself that ONI's child psychologists were underestimating the candidates in the degree of retention that they would have of their past lives, which is evidently true when John sees someone he knew from his past life in Palace Hotel. Memories he never even knew he had just suddenly re-awoke. It happens sometimes, for instance with people who have Alzheimer's suddenly remembering everything upon seeing a single a familiar face or object, before slipping away again.

It was because it was never stated anywhere that their training program forbid any sort of recreational activities. Maybe I missed the reference though. Can you point out where that was mentioned?

  • 08.16.2012 2:53 PM PDT

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How large a vocabulary does a 6 year old have? How long have they been actually talking? How much of a private personality could they have developed by that point? How could certain idioms have been taught by then?

  • 08.16.2012 4:08 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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How large a vocabulary does a 6 year old have? How long have they been actually talking? How much of a private personality could they have developed by that point? How could certain idioms have been taught by then?


I think you're forgetting the fact that the Spartan II's as children were astounding individuals. Well above their age in maturity, intelligence and physique.

I think you could put a Spartan II child, 6 years old, on par with a 8 or 9 year old. I mean, hell, look at John when he talked to Halsey at the park.

  • 08.16.2012 4:25 PM PDT

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I do believe Bungie got Jun and Emile's personality mixed up with Jun loving CQ and Emile sniping with the shotgun.. ¬_¬

I also agree any form of personality should have been removed. I mean, you're only 6. You shouldn't have any personality but liking ice cream and slides.

Posted by: HipiO7
I think you're forgetting the fact that the Spartan II's as children were astounding individuals. Well above their age in maturity, intelligence and physique.

I think you could put a Spartan II child, 6 years old, on par with a 8 or 9 year old. I mean, hell, look at John when he talked to Halsey at the park.


This is a very good point also.

[Edited on 08.16.2012 5:23 PM PDT]

  • 08.16.2012 5:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: anton1792
It was because it was never stated anywhere that their training program forbid any sort of recreational activities. Maybe I missed the reference though. Can you point out where that was mentioned?

Halsey was also against complete indoctrination when drawing up the program's outline. The Spartans are no where near normal, but given the wriggle room I don't think its impossible for them to have something that deviates a little from the usual super soldier trite.
No. The S-II forget pretty much everything from their childhoods and thats how Halsey wanted it so that way they would never rebel since they forgot everything. When the Spartans are dropped off and have to find a way back to base, John has some time to think and it tries to remember his past but he says that the life he lived before the S-II felt like nothing more then a dream.



-Nate'


Actually, Halsey merely wanted them kept very busy the first several days, so they had no time (then) to sit down and think about their situation/what happened.

Basically, they still remember it (as evidenced by Chief remembering a childhood friend while at Earth), it's merely out of their minds unless something prompts it/brings it up.



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I do believe Bungie got Jun and Emile's personality mixed up with Jun loving CQ and Emile sniping with the shotgun.. ¬_¬


The AI scripting team did a typo and accidentally saved the two files under the wrong names lol. (Least, that'd fit what they do ingame :P)

  • 08.16.2012 5:45 PM PDT

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God I loved that movie.

Anyway, perhaps not. I think Halsey may have been a little lenient with them. Remember the first time they were given an exercise? The reward was dinner and fudge brownies for dessert. Plus in some aspects they were taught in a recreational way, but at the same time learned the skills that would keep them alive.

An example of this would be the rubber bullets that were used. They hurt like hell, and would stun the area hit by them. But they weren't lethal; meaning the kids could experiment with taking the chance to get hit by them. There was a fear factor to the exercise. Get hit and it will hurt. But succeed and you can win.

Another example would be the lessons Halsey had planned for them after their morning training. They'd always go to have lessons with her where they would learn about military strategy and other information necessary for their training. I think that these offered a more social aspect to the children as well as the instructors.

You also have the level of intimacy that Halsey as well as Mendez shared with the kids. Each looked up to them as their parent figures. And I think they responded to them as such.

So basically I think that their training wasn't on as strict a military side of things as normal. They had moments where they could be social. They looked at their daily training and exercises as though they were games that could be won or lost depending on how you best utilized the skills you learned. There was even rewards or consequences for such as well.

And I think that Halsey tapped into that child's mentality of wanting to win or be good at something. As well as sharing that success with friends and family. Something the Spartans could do on a daily basis with their teams, Halsey, and Mendez.

  • 08.16.2012 5:59 PM PDT


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God I loved that movie.

Anyway, perhaps not. I think Halsey may have been a little lenient with them. Remember the first time they were given an exercise? The reward was dinner and fudge brownies for dessert. Plus in some aspects they were taught in a recreational way, but at the same time learned the skills that would keep them alive.

An example of this would be the rubber bullets that were used. They hurt like hell, and would stun the area hit by them. But they weren't lethal; meaning the kids could experiment with taking the chance to get hit by them. There was a fear factor to the exercise. Get hit and it will hurt. But succeed and you can win.

Another example would be the lessons Halsey had planned for them after their morning training. They'd always go to have lessons with her where they would learn about military strategy and other information necessary for their training. I think that these offered a more social aspect to the children as well as the instructors.

You also have the level of intimacy that Halsey as well as Mendez shared with the kids. Each looked up to them as their parent figures. And I think they responded to them as such.

So basically I think that their training wasn't on as strict a military side of things as normal. They had moments where they could be social. They looked at their daily training and exercises as though they were games that could be won or lost depending on how you best utilized the skills you learned. There was even rewards or consequences for such as well.

And I think that Halsey tapped into that child's mentality of wanting to win or be good at something. As well as sharing that success with friends and family. Something the Spartans could do on a daily basis with their teams, Halsey, and Mendez.


Pretty much this.

  • 08.17.2012 12:18 PM PDT

Probably because they're people too, and they just happened to develop an accent i suppose lol, I don't think they took them away too early to start developing an accent.

  • 08.19.2012 11:19 PM PDT
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i think that spartans were emotionless monsters that weren't afraid of anything.
but i think the reason they act 'human' is because of their exposure to the marines.
And for John 117 there is cortana.

I wachad the movie by the way, always loved it when i was little.

  • 08.20.2012 5:09 AM PDT

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i think that spartans were emotionless monsters that weren't afraid of anything.
but i think the reason they act 'human' is because of their exposure to the marines.
And for John 117 there is cortana.

I wachad the movie by the way, always loved it when i was little.

You haven't read the books have you? If you had then you'd remember numerous occasions where Spartans show emotion. They are human, not machines.

  • 08.20.2012 5:22 AM PDT

I don't understand why they have different accents, when your six your accent can be completely changed, I changed from American to English. and I assume they would pick up the accent of all the people around them which in that case is american.

  • 08.20.2012 10:05 AM PDT
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You'd be hard pressed to change your accent and personality.

Sure, you could change them, but I really don't recall anything within the Halo lore which made them lose their personalities.

  • 08.20.2012 10:48 AM PDT

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I don't understand why they have different accents, when your six your accent can be completely changed, I changed from American to English. and I assume they would pick up the accent of all the people around them which in that case is american.

Some people adapt and change their accents more easily than others. Just because you did doesn't mean it is the norm for everyone. It's down to the individual.

  • 08.21.2012 1:18 AM PDT
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The Spartans sometimes work with other UNSC, but mainly upon themselves, they can have personalities but they always put the mission first above themselves, John 117 rarely spoke, He was nearly the last hope for Humanity and He was one of the last Spartans and the Best of them, He had no time for laughing or anything, his mission was most important. The others, however, have been together more than John has with them during the Covenant War, and they can lighten up the mood sometimes.

  • 08.21.2012 4:19 PM PDT