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Subject: San 'Shyuum Homeworld And It's Reseeding.

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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Title for Reference.

How? The planet had all it's life exterminated by the Halo firing. I know that the Prophets claimed their world to have survived some catastrophic incident and a small portion of them left the planet on the Forerunner Dreadnought, but that happened many years later. They claimed their planet was in ruins. How did they survive on the planet if it was literally dead? Why would they be put back on their dead planet which would almost certainly not be able to support the population transported there and especially not a growth in population.

It doesn't make sense. I think Cryptum and general Halo canon have a derp here.

Discuss.

  • 08.16.2012 4:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

When was all that said about JanJur Qom? I only remember some of the planet burning not all of it. Not to mention we don't know exactly how the attacks affected the planet, clearly they weren't that drastic. They only had population problems after leaving in the key ship not before.

It isn't a derp you just got stuff mixed up.

  • 08.16.2012 4:41 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
When was all that said about JanJur Qom? I only remember some of the planet burning not all of it. Not to mention we don't know exactly how the attacks affected the planet, clearly they weren't that drastic. They only had population problems after leaving in the key ship not before.

It isn't a derp you just got stuff mixed up.


Bestiarium clearly states that the Prophet homeworld had survived 'a catastrophic event' and was left in ruins. The Master Builder was arrested for his crime against the Mantle for almost exterminating the San 'Shyuum with the Halo ring. I'm pretty sure the detonation affected the planet in the way we all know.

The species only survived because The Librarian had taken some of them to the Ark.

[Edited on 08.16.2012 4:59 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am asking where it was said the entire planet was devastated by the ring and then explained in detail the effects of that firing. Um, that goes for the entire galaxy the san shyuum on JanJur Qom would have been able to live on that planet after the firing.

You seriously can't say 343 made a mistake for something you can't understand and an event that wasn't explained in detail.

  • 08.16.2012 5:00 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
I am asking where it was said the entire planet was devastated by the ring and then explained in detail the effects of that firing. Um, that goes for the entire galaxy the san shyuum on JanJur Qom would have been able to live on that planet after the firing.

You seriously can't say 343 made a mistake for something you can't understand and an event that wasn't explained in detail.


I think it's understood when it said the species was nearly exterminated, that the planet itself was was devastated. I doubt the Halo detonation was limited since Faber wanted to test it's capabilities on living intelligent beings, thinking the Prophet Rebellion had given him the perfect excuse.

I'm saying the planet was bombarded and all major cities dismantled by Builder Security. Add to that the Halo detonation and I'm pretty sure the planet was completely in a ecological collapse. The planet being a wasteland from what is told on the Bestiarium can kind of tell the planet couldn't regenerate after these events.

Yes, there is a lack of information here, obviously, but you can put the pieces together enough to pretty much understand that the full picture isn't right.

  • 08.16.2012 5:07 PM PDT

The ring doesn't kill your bunnies and trees, last I checked.

and... If the planet "survived a catastrophic event" I'm fairly sure that means it recovered.

You don't say "That car survived a horrific wreck" if it's completely unable to be driven <_<.

[Edited on 08.16.2012 5:56 PM PDT]

  • 08.16.2012 5:55 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The ring doesn't kill your bunnies and trees, last I checked.

and... If the planet "survived a catastrophic event" I'm fairly sure that means it recovered.


Actually, it does kill trees, as said in Cryptum. While they may be specific trees, it still does. And what about the Ancient Humans pets? The Fehru(?) I doubt they were intelligent beings and yet they were exterminated when the ring was tested there along with almost all of the planets ecology.

I guess when it means survives, it means the planet itself survived, but that doesn't mean the life it supported did. Forerunners had the power to destroy entire planets if they wished to. I think when they say ''survived a catastrophic event'' it meant the planet in general.

  • 08.16.2012 6:16 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The ring doesn't kill your bunnies and trees, last I checked.

and... If the planet "survived a catastrophic event" I'm fairly sure that means it recovered.


Actually, it does kill trees, as said in Cryptum. While they may be specific trees, it still does. And what about the Ancient Humans pets? The Fehru(?) I doubt they were intelligent beings and yet they were exterminated when the ring was tested there along with almost all of the planets ecology.

I guess when it means survives, it means the planet itself survived, but that doesn't mean the life it supported did. Forerunners had the power to destroy entire planets if they wished to. I think when they say ''survived a catastrophic event'' it meant the planet in general.


I've never read the forerunner books.

  • 08.16.2012 6:22 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The ring doesn't kill your bunnies and trees, last I checked.

and... If the planet "survived a catastrophic event" I'm fairly sure that means it recovered.


Actually, it does kill trees, as said in Cryptum. While they may be specific trees, it still does. And what about the Ancient Humans pets? The Fehru(?) I doubt they were intelligent beings and yet they were exterminated when the ring was tested there along with almost all of the planets ecology.

I guess when it means survives, it means the planet itself survived, but that doesn't mean the life it supported did. Forerunners had the power to destroy entire planets if they wished to. I think when they say ''survived a catastrophic event'' it meant the planet in general.


I've never read the forerunner books.


Why not?

Cryptum, against what I initially thought, was an incredibly good book. Arguably among the top three of all the novels.

  • 08.16.2012 7:07 PM PDT

So after the reseeding what did happen to the planet?
I heard it blew up.

  • 08.16.2012 8:26 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron]
I've never read the forerunner books.


Why not?

Cryptum, against what I initially thought, was an incredibly good book. Arguably among the top three of all the novels.


Ah, it's not a matter of their quality (which I've heard plenty of them being good) It's a matter of not having them. Or spotting them in bookstores. (where I read glasslands :P)

  • 08.16.2012 8:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

So the Forerunners couldn't terraform it?

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The ring doesn't kill your bunnies and trees, last I checked.

and... If the planet "survived a catastrophic event" I'm fairly sure that means it recovered.


Actually, it does kill trees, as said in Cryptum. While they may be specific trees, it still does. And what about the Ancient Humans pets? The Fehru(?) I doubt they were intelligent beings and yet they were exterminated when the ring was tested there along with almost all of the planets ecology.

I guess when it means survives, it means the planet itself survived, but that doesn't mean the life it supported did. Forerunners had the power to destroy entire planets if they wished to. I think when they say ''survived a catastrophic event'' it meant the planet in general.
The Didact said it killed most of the Flora/Fauna because it was infected by flood spores. Imagine the concept in Avatar infected by flood spores.

  • 08.16.2012 9:59 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
So the Forerunners couldn't terraform it?


The Planet was dead from the detonation, and the advance of the Flood most likely pulled resources away from the terraforming process. Contact Harvest says that a portion of the Prophet populace left on the Dreadnought because their planet was dead, it was a wasteland. Obviously the Forerunners machines (Forerunners left the galaxy) didn't get around to bringing the planet back to life and left the Prophets there with whatever vegetation or flora had been able to appear again, which would have been low.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: grey101
I am asking where it was said the entire planet was devastated by the ring and then explained in detail the effects of that firing. Um, that goes for the entire galaxy the san shyuum on JanJur Qom would have been able to live on that planet after the firing.

You seriously can't say 343 made a mistake for something you can't understand and an event that wasn't explained in detail.


I think it's understood when it said the species was nearly exterminated, that the planet itself was was devastated. I doubt the Halo detonation was limited since Faber wanted to test it's capabilities on living intelligent beings, thinking the Prophet Rebellion had given him the perfect excuse.

I'm saying the planet was bombarded and all major cities dismantled by Builder Security. Add to that the Halo detonation and I'm pretty sure the planet was completely in a ecological collapse. The planet being a wasteland from what is told on the Bestiarium can kind of tell the planet couldn't regenerate after these events.

Yes, there is a lack of information here, obviously, but you can put the pieces together enough to pretty much understand that the full picture isn't right.


I just re-read those chapters again and nothing was said about the San shyuum nearly being exterminated and it was said


It slowly became obvious that the decimation of the San'Shyuum world was not all
one-sided. The planet itself was a source of plasma pulses and other firepower.


Meaning the San Shyuum were fighting back and as for this


"I saw the planet being devastated. I saw a great ring lit by the sun on one side.
Perhaps I imagined it."


Means " I saw the planet being attacked and i saw a halo" nothing was we don't have an account of the ring firing on the planet what was described was the uprising. All the destruction happened prior to the ring showing up and that chapter then ended and the next started with Faber questioning everybody.

You are exaggerating the events that happened and are filling in the gaps with your own interpretation. Can i get a source saying that is why Fabre fired the ring on Janjur Qom? Because from what we know in the book he was acting so rash because he was stressed/freaking out because mendicant bias ran off with the captive.


your "pretty sure" isn't factual and this is your problem not 343's. It was made clear by bornstellars father-who created the rings, that the tuning had been changed at charum hakkor and it wasn't suppose to completely obliterate the planet. The rings normal tuning only kills those that are or can be infected not everything down to a bacterial level.

Are we sure these are the events the beasturim is referring to? I would also like to remind you that Janur Qom is the main shan shyumm planet out of 3 so your idea of "they were nearly exterminated" is flawed since we know they were living on the other two planets along with the forerunners using one for storage.


Obviously you painting that picture yourself was in error.

  • 08.17.2012 8:28 AM PDT