- squirrel dude
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- Fabled Mythic Member
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: squirrel dude
1. Really, we're bringing in the National Socialist Party? Really?
2. That's not even an adequate analogy. At all. The example I used was people who benefited from the same system I did (the title bar system) telling me that I wasn't living up to their expectations of one of their peers.
A more appropriate one would be if at some yacht club, I was told by another member that my theories on modern art weren't deep enough. We're two people who have both benefited from the same system (economic imbalance) and he's patrolling class (ugh, that word) borders with his comments. That would be an example of what happened. My point is: just because you had one bad run in with one -blam!- doesn't mean that most people, let alone most mythics or even a large quantity or people/mythics use Titles as leverage in a debate of who's cooler or "better". Isn't it a problem, no matter what. Especially considering the statement, "I expect more from a mythic member" only exists if we have a title system?
Actual, legitimate, non-sarcastic or satiric elitism on this site is incredibly difficult to come by and usually it's done by people below the Mythic rank anyway (presumably because they wish they were Mythic and want to pretend that their rank is better for some reason).And that right there is not elitism. That is a fact. No, that is elitism. That is wonderful, wonderful elitism. "Us better members aren't elitist, it's those lower classes who just don't know better yet that are elitist." Wow. Don't even try to hide behind some crap about it being satire or sarcasm. That was just some delicious elitism.
People strive to be Mythic and are upset when they can't easily or quickly attain it. Mythic status shows you're one of the more seasoned members of the site and (almost) everyone wants that.I'm still just stunned by your above statement. Again, wow.[/]
You might be right. But isn't the system supposed to reward better members, and not ones that have been around longer. The fact that I maintained a [i]fabled mythic member status after not posting for weeks at a time for a couple of months does not shine well on the title bar system. The fact that multiple members have talked about how they have sat around without changing their title does not shine well on the system.
The point of the titles system is to have fun.Time to actually address the "it's for fun" statements. It's simply disingenuous. The system wasn't put in place because Achronos thought it would be fun. Don't lie you to yourself. If the members never asked for it to be put into place it wouldn't have been. If membership didn't ask for it, or want it, there would be no reason for Achronos and the webteam to devote resources to this project. Thus, ultimately, the reason it's in place should be the reasons members argued for it to be put in place. That's its purpose.
Even if it is for fun, that's not an excuse to have a flawed system.
The requirements of a fabled prefix are based on post count. That's why most people keep the prefix after their banned. Because it's not dependent on bans, warnings, activity, etc.
Also, keep in mind, this is a (very sophisticated) script or program or whatever you call it running this title system. It attributes and takes away trust based on a system, and isn't random. It's completely objective and any randomness or inconsistencies people run into are either the not understanding the way the system works or them not realizing that they've changed something that the system clearly takes into account (post size, PPD, thread count, etc. I don't pretend to know what it takes into account). Unfortunately, we can't make any claims about how the sophisticated the system is, how things are weighed or how effective it is in any precise terms. We've never been told what it is. For all we know it could be a simple formula that multiplies (posts per day x years on the website )/(# of bans x duration of bans) all then put into a ranking system.
Also, the point of the title system is fun. Fun still isn't an excuse for a flawed system. Baseball is also supposed to be fun, but I'm pretty sure the umpires and coaches let everyone know the rules before the kids start playing.
The reward comes from the fun of having a "bigger" and "better" title. And yes, I said better. That, too, is not elitism.Mythic is better than Heroic. If these were ranks, Mythic would be Higher than Heroic. Mythic is to Heroic as Fabled is to Intrepid as Exalted is to Honorable as Elder is to Veteran.The fact that really any value is put in these ranks, when we don't how know their earned is a little silly, don't you think? We're told to run a Halo series Race game, against everyone one, without knowing what the fastest time is, or where the checkpoints are. Ultimately you can make guesses at to where they are, but no one should be happy with that system.
I personally think that we shouldn't be told how the system works because then people might game it, I think you're being foolish. The system is supposed to encourage good behavior, so "gaming the system," so to speak, should only be a good thing for the community.
Others have commented in this thread how people can game the system by posting more often and creating more poorly thought out threads. Guess what, if a system, "for fun," encourages members to spam to get a different, no "better" title, then the system is flawed and should be changed.