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Subject: Unfortunately, the Title System hasn't worked

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Are you saying you want titles to go to not -blam!- posters? Because if that is the case, I agree.

  • 08.18.2012 8:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nerd Boi
Posted by: squirrel dudeSo what I'm trying to say is...
Fix'd.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 8:19 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 8:18 AM PDT

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If your title goes down after a ban or a warning, I'd say it was working just fine.

  • 08.18.2012 8:20 AM PDT
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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

I both agree and disagree with you, squirrel dude.

In the beginning everyone was trying to achieve a new title or bar color. It was something to strive for and many thought it would cause better behavior. It did for a while, until people started attaining these new titles and bar colors. After achieving their desired title/color, they grew bored since they could go no higher in title/color. There was nothing else to look forward to, or unlock, or encourage good behavior. Foman and I have stated many times in the past that this should have been just the beginning, and that profiles should have more value to them. Sadly, that never/hasn't happened.

The thing is that it was the older members who seemed to stop caring about titles. Newer members almost always would ask what they are and how to get them. These older members went through the system quickly, so they never really had to "work" to gain them. The only time older members ever cared about the system was when they were given a warning/ban and they'd usually say "Well there goes my Mythic. Hope to regain it soon." Is it the fault of these older members that, as you say, this system hasn't worked? Partially yes, but I would put more blame on the Web Team. What they added was great but priorities took over and everything seemed to stop on the forums. There wasn't anymore innovation or incentive to profiles, aside from adding prefixes.

Prefixes were a great addition. People tried to figure out the system to attain their desired prefix, and some succeeded. This desire quickly fizzled out though, at least with older members.

You keep saying that titles encouraged elitism. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Shouldn't newer members look up to older members and try to follow in their ways a bit? Or ask them a question that they may not know the answer to? Is that really a bad thing? I've only seen a few instances where true "elitism" has come into play, such as "Shut up you Heroic Member!" but for the most part, as you may have witnessed in this very thread, people will actually poke fun at higher titles members. "Yes, oh wise Mythic Member. I will do your bidding."

I have to go to work, but I'll have more to say later.

  • 08.18.2012 9:24 AM PDT

Subject: If you saw a meteor coming toward Earth, what would you do?Posted by: juniorbandit96
Butter my ass, turn around, spread open my butt cheeks, and say "Right here mutha-blam!-a!!"

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Posted by: Duardo
TL:DR--The system is fine, it's less reliable now because people are bored with it and they care less. It is fine when new features are added and it's the web team's fault for not giving us more features.

  • 08.18.2012 9:26 AM PDT
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"This bandicoot will be my general, he will lead my Cortex Commandos to world domination...

This time, I shall reign TRIUMPHANT!"

-Dr. Cortex

I thought you were going to say how a lot of people keep juggling between titles, but I was horribly mistaken.

I've been invited to that Legendary Member group once, and I didn't accept. Honestly, elitism over a mere title on an internet forum, which is like a star in the night sky if you were to compare this site's relevance to the internet as a whole, is silly. I'm neutral as to what happens with titles because I have Coup.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 9:52 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 9:50 AM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

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I agree. They should just scrape the title bar system.
Posted by: Gaara444
I remember back when Reach came out and a Mythic member thought that all Mythic Members deserved their own nameplate because they have some how "contributed" to the community.

News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

I was so pissed at how elitist some of the people in that thread got, but I was so happy when it never happened.

Title's haven't really made Bungie.net better.

  • 08.18.2012 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude
Isn't it a problem, no matter what. Especially considering the statement, "I expect more from a mythic member" only exists if we have a title system?
No, it's really not. What happened to you sucks, plain and simple. But just because something like that happened to you doesn't mean that we should all throw up our arms and cry foul of the system most of us have no problem with.

Ol' Charlie Manson was a huge fan of the song Helter Skelter by the Beatles and thought that it (Helter Skelter) would be a race war that would shoot the world into the apocalypse. So, because the Beatles wrote one song that one person misinterpreted, should we now accost the Beatles and label them as a terrible bunch of people and them and their awful song to be just as much of a cause for the murders of Sharon Tate and her house guests as Charles and his Family? No.

We should blame (entirely) Charles Manson and his Family for being an infinitesimally small portion of the people who had heard that song and interpreted it in one particular way that ended in a murderous rampage. Neither the Beatles with Helter Skelter, nor the Web Team with the Title system should be at blame for Charles Manson or whoever PM'd you (respectively).

No, that is elitism. That is wonderful, wonderful elitism. "Us better members aren't elitist, it's those lower classes who just don't know better yet that are elitist." Wow. Don't even try to hide behind some crap about it being satire or sarcasm. That was just some delicious elitism.The level of complete and utter ignorance and bewildering obliviousness you're displaying right now is profound.

Members who try to not get their title taken away want to be Mythic. If this was a ranking system it would go Member -> Heroic -> Legendary -> Mythic. Heroics who try to not get their title taken away want to be Mythic. I've been saying stuff about the lower... levels? being the ones who create all of the elitism since before I was even Heroic so don't throw that -blam!- at me. Legendaries who try to not get their title taken away want to be Mythics.

It is a simple fact that to have the Mythic title is better than having the Legendary title is better than having the Heroic title is better than having no title as far as the title system is concerned. Having the Mythic Title means that you have a higher trust rating than someone with the Legendary Title. The same goes for Legendary to Heroic, and Heroic to Members.

It is not elitism it point out that the rank of General is higher than the rank of Captain is higher than the rank of Sergeant is higher than the rank of Private. It's pointing out a fact. The fact that you can't stop being so butthurt about the fact that one person said a mean thing to you one time and actually realize that there's no -blam!- elitism present on this site is astounding.

[SATIRE][JOKE][SARCASTIC]I expect better of a heroic member.[/SARCASTIC][/JOKE][/SATIRE]

I'm still just stunned by your above statement. Again, wow.Holy jesus monkey ballsack. If you've got no points, you want ALL the points. If you've got 1 point you want 2. If you've got 3 points you want 4. If you've got 4 points you want to keep all of your damn points. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, man.

Time to actually address the "it's for fun" statements.Gladly.

It's simply disingenuous.In all honesty, in front of God and everybody, standing in Lou Gherig's spot in a full stadium at home plate addressing everyone with a microphone: "I THINK THAT THE TITLE SYSTEM IS FUN. I AM NOT LYING, JOKING, BEING SARCASTIC, OR USING SATIRE."

The system wasn't put in place because Achronos thought it would be fun. Don't lie you to yourself. If the members never asked for it to be put into place it wouldn't have been.What an idiotic statement. No -blam!- if they hadn't suggested it wouldn't have been put in. That's the Community Forum at work right there. If the Community suggested a Get-Together/Water Balloon Fight that'd be fun, and suggested by the Community. Things can be suggested by the Community and also fun.

If membership didn't ask for it, or want it, there would be no reason for Achronos and the webteam to devote resources to this project.I see no argument against it being fun so far.

Thus, ultimately, the reason it's in place should be the reasons members argued for it to be put in place. That's its purpose.Its purpose to be in place is so that it can be in place? LOLno.

Even if it is for fun, that's not an excuse to have a flawed system.It's not flawed. You're just pissed off because one person one time was a dick to you.

Unfortunately, we can't make any claims about how the sophisticated the system is, how things are weighed or how effective it is in any precise terms. We've never been told what it is. For all we know it could be a simple formula that multiplies (posts per day x years on the website )/(# of bans x duration of bans) all then put into a ranking system.We've been told there's a trust rating. And that you lose something like 1000 trust after you've been banned. Your "simple" formula doesn't seem to fit the bill here.

Fun still isn't an excuse for a flawed system. Baseball is also supposed to be fun, but I'm pretty sure the umpires and coaches let everyone know the rules before the kids start playing.We do know the rules. They're posted right there above the forums. The rules are "Post. Don't get banned. Don't be a dick."

What you would be asking for is to have every baseball player have a profound understanding of the physics behind how baseball works. Which is unreasonable.

The fact that really any value is put in these ranks, when we don't how know their earned is a little silly, don't you think? No. Because we know that 0 = member. Wait, then you could think I'm calling members zeroes. Okay. 1 = member. 2 = heroic. 3 = legendary. 4 = mythic. That is all that we need to know. We know that Member < Heroic < Legendary < Mythic.

I don't need to know that it takes 12,500 trust to get Mythic status and that I currently have 7,300 pink t-points. All I need to know is that Mythic is higher than me, and I have not yet gotten there.

I personally think that we shouldn't be told how the system works because then people might game it, I think you're being foolish. The system is supposed to encourage good behavior, so "gaming the system," so to speak, should only be a good thing for the community. Gaming the system to get Fabled = post spamming and making -blam!--ty posts to get a higher rank. Gaming the system for titles = not posting their opinions sometimes because they think it steps into the very edge of the grey borderline between "okay" and "not okay" and so we lose discussion. The same goes for Honorable, Noble, and Exalted prefixes.

Others have commented in this thread how people can game the system by posting more often and creating more poorly thought out threads. Guess what, if a system, "for fun," encourages members to spam to get a different, no "better" title, then the system is flawed and should be changed.
There's nothing wrong with 2 prefixes based on post count, and there isn't an epidemic of people trying to game the system.

The fact that you're literally suggesting a PERFECT system is absurd and stupid. Incredibly stupid.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 9:58 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 9:56 AM PDT

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  • 08.18.2012 10:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jose291
You can't say something is wrong if you didn't made it and have no clue how it was made.
I didn't make Anti-semitism, and I don't know how it originally formed, but I can still say it's wrong.

Posted by: Mr Kurokawa
I'm frankly sick and tired of the cries of elitism everyone also makes here. We've tried removing titles, removing join dates, banning the word noob, yet you people still create divisions like this anyway, be it on skill level in the game, using various words, grammar, etc.
So the best thing to do was to institutionalize it?
I've come to the conclusion that part of the problem around here is that there is no real incentive for people to behave well other than "you won't get banned." And even then, some of you just create new accounts and continue being jerks on those accounts. - AchronosWell then maybe we should try doing something about alternate accounts to make the bans mean something. Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: Duardo
You keep saying that titles encouraged elitism. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Shouldn't newer members look up to older members and try to follow in their ways a bit? Or ask them a question that they may not know the answer to? Is that really a bad thing? I've only seen a few instances where true "elitism" has come into play, such as "Shut up you Heroic Member!" but for the most part, as you may have witnessed in this very thread, people will actually poke fun at higher titles members. "Yes, oh wise Mythic Member. I will do your bidding."
I would agree that institutionalized elitism was a decent trade off, if it had come with a noticeable improvement in newer members. As I'm sure you've picked up by now, I don't think that it has. Elitism would also be more acceptable if the system was more accurate, and showed the quality of member's post better. Again, as I've said before, I don't think this is the case.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 11:03 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 11:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
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Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them.

  • 08.18.2012 11:03 AM PDT
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EVERYBODY SHUT UP!

Bow to me an my blue bar!

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No seriously though, I really think this gets blown way out of proportion. I really honestly don't see elitism happening that much, even when I was among the lower ranks I didn't really ever see it being a problem.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 11:05 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them. Alternatively, you can be one of those people who do pretty much nothing except post in their semi-active private groups, which is like 75%+ of mythics. They are still mythic because they never get banned in the public forums that they never post in.
fix'd

  • 08.18.2012 11:10 AM PDT

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OT: I agree that their is some elitism, but I often find myself not liking what a Mythic member has to say. It really just depends on who you're talking about.

  • 08.18.2012 11:18 AM PDT

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As I said before OP, I think you are trying to make it seem like titles have much more of an importance than they really do.

  • 08.18.2012 11:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
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Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them. Alternatively, you can be one of those people who do pretty much nothing except post in their semi-active private groups, which is like 75%+ of mythics. They are still mythic because they never get banned in the public forums that they never post in.
fix'd

For the record, there is little to nothing to post about in the mains for the past 2 1/2 years.

  • 08.18.2012 11:22 AM PDT

The cake is a lie!!!
Your Lack of Faith is disturbing commander you WILL join KOTOR

Protect me cone!

Titles are alright, but now i just use them to judge how long someone generally has been on Bnet

[Edited on 08.18.2012 11:28 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 11:24 AM PDT

Guys guys guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here.

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  • 08.18.2012 11:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them. Alternatively, you can be one of those people who do pretty much nothing except post in their semi-active private groups, which is like 75%+ of mythics. They are still mythic because they never get banned in the public forums that they never post in.
fix'd

For the record, there is little to nothing to post about in the mains for the past 2 1/2 years.
There is always something going on in the world everyday. And the Flood is the place to post about it. Don't give me that bull-blam!-. They must have really boring lives if they only want to post about Halo/Bungie related stuff here.

  • 08.18.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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There's no way Nate Hawbaker's favorite hero is Alan Stuart


ALAN IS A BEAUTIFUL MAN!

I find the title system effective. I post things that contribute to the community and the other forums, and over a period of time, I am rewarded for it.

I think the Mythics should have some sense of elitism over others because it took them a while to get to the top, so in a sense they can be 'better' than the rest of us, but old dogs can learn new tricks.

  • 08.18.2012 11:30 AM PDT
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I'm still confused as to why I'm not Mythic yet.

  • 08.18.2012 11:33 AM PDT

The cake is a lie!!!
Your Lack of Faith is disturbing commander you WILL join KOTOR

Protect me cone!


Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them. Alternatively, you can be one of those people who do pretty much nothing except post in their semi-active private groups, which is like 75%+ of mythics. They are still mythic because they never get banned in the public forums that they never post in.
fix'd

For the record, there is little to nothing to post about in the mains for the past 2 1/2 years.
There is always something going on in the world everyday. And the Flood is the place to post about it. Don't give me that bull-blam!-. They must have really boring lives if they only want to post about Halo/Bungie related stuff here.


I think what it is is that the sophistication of almost all the boards have devolved into "I can haz reconz" and "why did i get banned for making credits" threads, which has upset alot of people who were here way back in 06' and earlier, therefore we ussually stick to the private groups with people we know and can be trusted to not be digital neanderthals.

Saying that, there are still threads worth talking in on the public forums, there just getting rarer and rarer.

[Edited on 08.18.2012 11:35 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2012 11:34 AM PDT

Subject: If you saw a meteor coming toward Earth, what would you do?Posted by: juniorbandit96
Butter my ass, turn around, spread open my butt cheeks, and say "Right here mutha-blam!-a!!"

Join Planetary Annihilation and Speed Haven

Posted by: Kannan
I'm still confused as to why I'm not Mythic yet.
Because you touch yourself at night.
/sarcasm

You're probably not active enough. When was your last ban?

  • 08.18.2012 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Gaara444
News Flash: Skirting a Ban for four years =/= Contributing to the community.

You make it sound as though a ban is an inevitability for everyone.
I believe that posting in a manner to avoid being banned is unnecessary and not contributing to the community either. All anyone has to do is simply be cordial, and not be a jerk. I know many find that impossible, but that says volumes about them. Alternatively, you can be one of those people who do pretty much nothing except post in their semi-active private groups, which is like 75%+ of mythics. They are still mythic because they never get banned in the public forums that they never post in.
fix'd

For the record, there is little to nothing to post about in the mains for the past 2 1/2 years.
There is always something going on in the world everyday. And the Flood is the place to post about it. Don't give me that bull-blam!-. They must have really boring lives if they only want to post about Halo/Bungie related stuff here.

The Flood =/= B.net population
imo
I have no use for that forum.

  • 08.18.2012 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Der Todesengel
This doesn't mean I don't still hate you


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Don't listen to anything Cobravert says.

  • 08.18.2012 11:40 AM PDT