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Subject: Unfortunately, the Title System hasn't worked

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SOOO much TL;DR...
I am currently mad at the system so I agree it is bad.
Once I get promoted I will be back to defend it.

  • 08.20.2012 3:22 PM PDT

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Waiting for your response to Acky, OP.

  • 08.20.2012 4:23 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

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Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................


Posted by: Achronos
Despite being professionally insulted at the start of this thread, I should point out that basing your arguments on this kind of evidence will not work out in your favor.

(that's because the system runs on a schedule, and when you first come off a ban, the system hasn't rechecked your account to see what your new trust value is minus the penalty from the ban - it just so happened that your account was updated an hour after you got off a ban. Short bans tend to not have deep penalties).

Look, it is okay if you don't like the titles. But don't base your argument on systemic details you know nothing about. Keep your thoughts on things like how it affects the community to have the titles, don't worry about the implementation details that you don't have. That's a much more interesting conversation to read anyway.

Posted by: squirrel dude
Quick Evidence that the system isn't effective
- It took only an hour and just 4 posts after I got off a ban to get from member to fabled heroic member.


this Rechecking would explain the lag between my noble heroic and noble derank after a warning i got today. Thank you for an informative post.

  • 08.20.2012 10:49 PM PDT

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After re-reading both the OP and Achronos's post, I have come to a conclusion: people are putting too much faith into Duardo's predictions.

For example, with the OP citing the fact that he got Heroic back right after having been banned. I have a feeling that he thinks this is a prime example of the title system failing because he is thinking of the title system working in terms of pure time and not by a system of pink t-points.

For example: You need 1000 pink t-points to be a heroic member, which is accumulated by a normal member with a normal ppd in one year. But, if, after a ban, you have 1000 pink t-points left over, you will be a heroic member again once the system re-checks you. So time is only relevant when bans are not involved (as far as I can tell).

Looking back on it, much of the OP's argument relies on the fact that he (somehow; magically) knows how the title system works and why it was made. When in fact the best guess he has of how it works was made by Duardo and isn't proven to be true (that isn't to say that they aren't, I'm sure, amazing guesses; they're just not proven), and he seems to be refusing to believe the system's creator on the subject of why it was created (as per Verachi's quotes), so I'm not sure what more can be done in that department.

All in all: OP is very confused on the workings of the world in which he resides (BNet) and still continues to criticize the very foundation, purpose, and functionality of said workings.

  • 08.20.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
After re-reading both the OP and Achronos's post, I have come to a conclusion: people are putting too much faith into Duardo's predictions.

For example, with the OP citing the fact that he got Heroic back right after having been banned. I have a feeling that he thinks this is a prime example of the title system failing because he is thinking of the title system working in terms of pure time and not by a system of pink t-points.

For example: You need 1000 pink t-points to be a heroic member, which is accumulated by a normal member with a normal ppd in one year. But, if, after a ban, you have 1000 pink t-points left over, you will be a heroic member again once the system re-checks you. So time is only relevant when bans are not involved (as far as I can tell).

Looking back on it, much of the OP's argument relies on the fact that he (somehow; magically) knows how the title system works and why it was made. When in fact the best guess he has of how it works was made by Duardo and isn't proven to be true (that isn't to say that they aren't, I'm sure, amazing guesses; they're just not proven), and he seems to be refusing to believe the system's creator on the subject of why it was created (as per Verachi's quotes), so I'm not sure what more can be done in that department.

All in all: OP is very confused on the workings of the world in which he resides (BNet) and still continues to criticize the very foundation, purpose, and functionality of said workings.


Achronos's post ended pretty much any debate, just stop trying to make it debatable.

  • 08.20.2012 11:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
After re-reading both the OP and Achronos's post, I have come to a conclusion: people are putting too much faith into Duardo's predictions.

For example, with the OP citing the fact that he got Heroic back right after having been banned. I have a feeling that he thinks this is a prime example of the title system failing because he is thinking of the title system working in terms of pure time and not by a system of pink t-points.

For example: You need 1000 pink t-points to be a heroic member, which is accumulated by a normal member with a normal ppd in one year. But, if, after a ban, you have 1000 pink t-points left over, you will be a heroic member again once the system re-checks you. So time is only relevant when bans are not involved (as far as I can tell).

Looking back on it, much of the OP's argument relies on the fact that he (somehow; magically) knows how the title system works and why it was made. When in fact the best guess he has of how it works was made by Duardo and isn't proven to be true (that isn't to say that they aren't, I'm sure, amazing guesses; they're just not proven), and he seems to be refusing to believe the system's creator on the subject of why it was created (as per Verachi's quotes), so I'm not sure what more can be done in that department.

All in all: OP is very confused on the workings of the world in which he resides (BNet) and still continues to criticize the very foundation, purpose, and functionality of said workings.


Achronos's post ended pretty much any debate, just stop trying to make it debatable.


I wasn't, you clearly didn't read all of my post if you think that my post was inflammatory in any way and was anything but a mere observational remark.

  • 08.20.2012 11:05 PM PDT
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1. We don't know exactly how it works
2. Why should we care?

I was super excited when I got mythic back in 2008, and I admit to hating when losing it to breaking a rule accidentally. Other than that, i could care less what "rank" anyone else is. I'll interact with them the same as if they had joined 3 years prior.

  • 08.20.2012 11:33 PM PDT

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I'm pretty tired right now, so forgive me if I'm not terribly eloquent in my speech.

I think to an extent, you overestimate the positive effect the titles were supposed to have in the community. They were simply meant to encourage better behavior in the forums, and the fact that they're a spectacle worthy of the scrutiny they receive indicates they've to some end done their job. You seem to think their purpose was to "clean up the streets" a la numerous 1970's "good cop in a system of lies and corruption where the police chief turns out to be the drug kingpin in the end, but the unorthodox and controversial but effective protagonist catches him and gets a big promotion and begins to change things on a systematic scale" crime flick. As was aforementioned, newcomers arrive, see the titles, wonder what the deal is, find out by some means. This simple process alone should inspire the future dedicated members to behave in a manner becoming of the higher titles-- and from a community standpoint, the demographic of members who do/are going to stick around are the most important.

So this rationale causes me to find it interesting that you accuse the titles of not doing their job by: a) not inspiring better behavior by way of example, and; b) causing elitism.

I think these flippant accusations of "elitism" are often unfounded. You want to cry elitism? Cite some examples of Legendaries/Mythics saying "your opinion is invalid because you are merely a regular member." That's elitism.

Now, stratification, on the other hand?

Well, isn't that rather the point of the title system?

And as was also aforementioned, stratification doesn't necessarily beget superiority and/or inferiority. If someone is a Legendary or a Mythic, they've clearly done things to earn that title. It makes nothing they have to say superior or more substantial to that of anyone else, only more reputable. This kind of stratification is seen... well, everywhere.

Put it this way. Wouldn't you trust the opinion of someone who's worked at a company for twenty years and has risen through the ranks to a position of authority over the opinion of the entry-level grunt who's been there for six months? Of course you would, why wouldn't you?

Now, this analogy is somewhat flawed, because with that salty, time-tested relic's position of authority attained through his/her rank rising comes actual, tangible influence and power. He or she can rework the system to suit his or her needs and screw over everyone below.

Now, refer once again to my previous statement that the titles do not necessarily indicate superiority. Mythics don't have special privileges that Legendaries do not, and so forth down the chain. There's no power to be had. That's why Mythics don't promote to Forum Ninjas.

Blerg. I'm tired.

  • 08.21.2012 12:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Your reasoning is wrong though. Achronos said he put it in just because it's fun. Now make a thread based on that revelation.


OMG I QUOTED A MYTHIC BECUASE HE IS MYTHIC OMG OMG OMG.


OT:
lolno I don't think I've ever seen one person do this.

yes they do it with mods and Bungie employees.

Also there is no elitism what so ever. Please use evidence to support your claims. K thanks bye.

[Edited on 08.21.2012 12:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.21.2012 12:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Despite being professionally insulted at the start of this thread
While I was aware squirrel dude can certainly be inflamatory, I never once imagined that one can obtain employment as a professional insulter. Livin' the dream.

  • 08.21.2012 2:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude
If you agree it's broken, and think it can be fixed, how can it be fixed? If you don't agree it's broken, as I'm sure most of you won't, please explain why.
Here's my idea.

Bar Colors
Yellow - Employee
Salmon - Moderator
Blue - Bungie Pro Member
Grey - Bungie Member

Bungie Pro Members would pay an annual fee for additional features. Money could go toward the Bungie foundation.

Bungie Members
* Create Posts
* Create Groups
* Contribute In Groups
* Access Online Stats
* Choose Your Title From The Ones You've Unlocked

Bungie Pro Members
Everything above and the following...
* Customize Groups
* Customize Avatar
* Name Change Once A Year
* Access To Betas
* Early Access To DLC Content
* Other Bungie Game Related Stuff

Titles would be unlocked by earning achievements in Destiny or on Bungie.net. An example would be signing into Bungie.net for X number of days in a row. Another example would be creating a group and recruiting X number of members to join. This way, people won't know what titles you've unlocked and will think you just like one title more than the others. A number on your title bar could represent how many years you've been a member (like Xbox LIVE gamercards) if you'd like to throw in some "elitism" for the win.

  • 08.21.2012 3:55 AM PDT

The title system isn't really the problem, it's the attitude of certain members, and there's no real way to fix that.

  • 08.21.2012 5:17 AM PDT

Take a step back with me and enjoy a taste of the bittersweet that is our current generation.

I enjoy Battlefield and Call of Duty, and Gears of War.

20 years old, manager of my family's business, aspiring officer of the law.

I love anything political.

What elitism are you talking about? I've never now, in my over 3 years of posting here, ever experienced somebody in a serious manner using their title as justification, evidence, or any sort of proof to assert authority or superiority over any member as a result of conversation.

  • 08.21.2012 6:42 AM PDT

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At first I feel like there was a level of Elitism. However now that more and more people are progressing through the ranks, people are starting to realize that a mythic member doesn't know any more then a normal member.

  • 08.21.2012 6:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude
Yeah, I got nothin. I don't have a solution. That's why I was throwing that out to the community. But hey, you have to start a discussion somewhere.


Well I have started a discussion over here on improving the system...No system is perfect and everything can be improved in minute ways to give it that special something to make it better.

  • 08.21.2012 8:34 AM PDT

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I think people who post about member titles are people who would like to be different and think too much about something irrelevant.

It is getting annoying these kinds of threads. As I stated before, if something is not broken why fix it, even if broken it works as it was intended and created.

[Edited on 08.21.2012 9:56 AM PDT]

  • 08.21.2012 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Hey, guys, what's going on in this thread?
Someone tell Kivell that he is a lie.


Get WorkPlaced!


Posted by: Jose291
I think people who post about member titles are people who would like to be different and think too much about something irrelevant.

It is getting annoying these kinds of posts. As I stated before, if something is not broken why fix it, even if broken it works as it was intended and created.


Like always, your wisdom is plentiful Josh.

  • 08.21.2012 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cryptic
I'm not so sure what a good idea it is to have the only difference between this two-title-dichotomy you've created being an economic one. While the current system certainly is prone to elitist feelings and remarks based on join date-centric titles, one where people who have a different ("better") title because they paid or, in some situations had the money for (where someone else might not).

The only problem the OP sees with the title system (and the only misconception I could see anyone coming up with about the pitfalls of the title system) seem to be that it is harboring elitism (which I do not believe and have never seen conclusive evidence of) and that it doesn't work the way it should (his proof for this is laughable at best).

I don't see the need to segment the Bungie.net Community by who can and cannot afford a Bungie Premium Subscription Service (even if it's only 20 bucks). The title system is fine as it is. It's only fault (I think) is that there's not another title after Mythic for a 7 year account (purple, maybe?).

  • 08.21.2012 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Achronos
Despite being professionally insulted at the start of this thread
While I was aware squirrel dude can certainly be inflamatory, I never once imagined that one can obtain employment as a professional insulter. Livin' the dream.
The starting salary is only $0.00 per hour, but it's still the best job ever.

Posted by: ankerd123
yes they do it with mods and Bungie employees.

Also there is no elitism what so ever.
wut.

Posted by: Jose291
even if broken it works as it was intended and created.
Wut.

[Edited on 08.21.2012 11:18 AM PDT]

  • 08.21.2012 11:16 AM PDT

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  • 08.21.2012 11:20 AM PDT

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I really only hear elitist thoughts by thoes who have a high K/D, in game rank and W/L. You see I cannot possibly possess an opinion according to science because I am outright terrible at the game.

[Edited on 08.21.2012 12:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.21.2012 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude[/quote]Wut.

Wut.

  • 10.04.2012 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nader121

Posted by: squirrel dude[/quote]Wut.

Wut.
Why...

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