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Subject: Late Night Flood - Should it be allowed?

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Posted by: mubox47
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Recently, i made a thread reminiscing about the old "Late Night Flood" threads. You may remember them, or the older forms that inspired them (Flood Sleepover, Flood Bar, etc) as threads made in the latest hours of night (or the wee hours of the morning for most people). In these threads, Floodians would gather to talk about anything and everything. Usually the poster would mention something (the weather, and event, his day, or literally anything) which would spark the conversation. After that anything was up for discussion.

In my thread about the old threads, many members talked about how great the LNFs were. Several of us decided to revive them. So, several days later, i did with this Late Night Flood thread. We posted for a while and had a merry time, but the thread was locked.

I was told the thread didn't generate discussion on a particular subject matter, and that the event should be moved to chatroom of some sort. Normally i'm not one to disagree with the mods, but this raises two issues for me, and likely for many of the other posters of the Late Night Flood.

First off, although this is more to promote the second point than anything else, the thread had over 150 replies at my last check, nearly seven pages. If you scroll through the thread you'll see various topics: Weather, Music, Seasons, Hobbies, and life in general. Not to mention the Original Thread which sparked our interest in the reboot of LNF had 5 pages itself. I don't see how a topic with approximately 13 pages can be said to not generate discussion. I can see that the thread doesn't have a 'specific subject matter,' but it certainly does generate discussion.

Secondly, what is wrong with a thread being broad in subject matter? If polite, fun discussion is being generated by members, and no rules ar broken, what's the problem? Many threads can be described as having a 'vague' subject, and even those that aren't are likely to eventually stray off course. Personally, i don't see he harm in a thread being used for a broad, 'General Discussion," especially in a forum targeted for the discussion of general topics.

So, my question to the Community and Moderators of B.net is this: Should Late Night Flood and similar, broad discussion threads be allowed in the Flood?

And secondly, could some alterations be made to the thread, so that Late Night Flood will live on in some form?

  • 08.20.2012 8:15 PM PDT

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I say that they should be allowed.

  • 08.20.2012 8:18 PM PDT
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  • 08.20.2012 8:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: MiloOmega
They can be scary to the young mind. *shudders*
As can all of the internet. It's hardly an issue confined to any specific forum or thread.

  • 08.20.2012 8:20 PM PDT

Key

Believe it or not, it was probably locked for being Off-Topic/getting derailed.

Let me explain:

To moderate a forum, Ninjas need guidelines from which to take inspiration and set precedent. If one of those guidelines is, "If a thread is so off-track that the original topic is no longer being discussed or able to be discussed in any way, lock it." and the thread that they're presented with HAS no topic, how do they go about moderating that thread? If people started talking about nothing but My Little Pony, and the thread went on for 2 whole days with nothing but discussions about My Little Pony, would the thread still be allowed up? Or wouldn't it because it's no longer the "nighttime"? Also, when is "nighttime"? It's different for everyone around the world.

If your thread has no topic, then it cannot stay on-topic and thus is automatically derailed. If you want to talk about everything and anything, either make several threads about things you wish to discuss, or take it to an IRC, imo.

  • 08.20.2012 8:24 PM PDT

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Thank you for guiding us on how to moderate a forum. :]

  • 08.20.2012 8:25 PM PDT

"No, Hoobla. No."
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How about...
The Flood?
Should it be allowed?

  • 08.20.2012 8:26 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: True Underdog
Thank you for guiding us on how to moderate a forum. :]
Was that a response to me? Because I was just trying to interpret what the "locker" was thinking, not setting any sort of rules... if it wasn't directed at me... then... well................

[Edited on 08.20.2012 8:27 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 8:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: im am b0red
How about...
The Flood?
Should it be allowed?


There have been times in the past where the complete destruction of the flood have been threatened. Makes me laugh to remember them.

  • 08.20.2012 8:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: True Underdog
Thank you for guiding us on how to moderate a forum. :]
I'm not trying to guide anyone, merely asking a question or two. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Believe it or not, it was probably locked for being Off-Topic/getting derailed.

Let me explain:

To moderate a forum, Ninjas need guidelines from which to take inspiration and set precedent. If one of those guidelines is, "If a thread is so off-track that the original topic is no longer being discussed or able to be discussed in any way, lock it." and the thread that they're presented with HAS no topic, how do they go about moderating that thread? If people started talking about nothing but My Little Pony, and the thread went on for 2 whole days with nothing but discussions about My Little Pony, would the thread still be allowed up? Or wouldn't it because it's no longer the "nighttime"? Also, when is "nighttime"? It's different for everyone around the world.

If your thread has no topic, then it cannot stay on-topic and thus is automatically derailed. If you want to talk about everything and anything, either make several threads about things you wish to discuss, or take it to an IRC, imo.
All fair and true points. The issue i have is with that is that it defeats the purpose and feel of Late Night Flood threads. Groups have been tried, chats have been attempted, but they don't work out the same way.

The beauty of LNF is that anyone can start it (i believe the general "acceptable time" for them has been around10-12 PM PDT) and everyone who is currently on the Flood sees it. There is no planning or ceremony to it, the threads just sort of happen and the Flood joins in. When you separate it from the Flood itself, then you essentially kill it.

The Flood has its own little subgroup, similar to the Users that go to this forum to plan and participate in Community Carnage events. But instead of signing up and playing games, they discuss things. It's a part of the community.

If the threads are truly against the forum rules by nature, then is there some way they (the threads that is, not the rules) could be changed so that we can still make them?

  • 08.20.2012 8:34 PM PDT

Break down, every single one of you.

I would like the Late Night Flood to be able to lawfully occur. It was a quiet and relaxed place to talk to generally mature community members about anything. A lot of people opened up there and got advice about problems they where having. The open endedness of the thread allowed for the discussion to continue and evolve in unexpected ways without growing stale. It was a good time had by all that produced a lot of discussion.


I agree with CrazzySnipe55 that it is probably not a question of discussion quantity, but most likely that of topic. Perhaps the topic of the Late Night Flood could be "Life Discussion". That gives a topic that can be adhered to, but is vague enough to cover a wide variety of subtopics.

  • 08.20.2012 8:37 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Why wasn't I on that night?

I disagree with whoever locked it (unless it was locked because the sun was soon to arise). I think it is a great thread. Activity dips to a slow crawl, there isn't much discussion going on, why not have a place to stop bye and say "what's up everyone?" of course being the Late Night Flood thread.

Now, is there any harm in that?

  • 08.20.2012 8:54 PM PDT

Posted by: American Recoil
Activity dips to a slow crawl, there isn't much discussion going on, why not have a place to stop bye and say "what's up everyone?" of course being the Late Night Flood thread.

Now, is there any harm in that?
This man speaks the truth!

  • 08.20.2012 8:57 PM PDT

Break down, every single one of you.

And don't forget the chill tunes for atmosphere.

[Edited on 08.20.2012 9:35 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 9:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Puma Knight
And we forget the chill tunes for atmosphere.


My sig is complete! Thanks.

Anyways I think that these kinds of threads should be allowed. They are great fun and generate alot of good discussion.

  • 08.20.2012 9:30 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: The EAKLE

If the threads are truly against the forum rules by nature, then is there some way they (the threads that is, not the rules) could be changed so that we can still make them?
Perhaps a nightly topic? You'd have to, of course, make sure to make it a broad enough topic that free-flowing discussion can still be maintained and that the feel of the threads isn't altered too drastically.

Example: "LNF: How has your weather been?" People can then discuss different weather from different parts of the states and the world, giving many different viewpoints and allowing anecdotal examples of the effects of said weather; "I couldn't get my car out of my driveway from the snow omgg!!!"

[Edited on 08.20.2012 9:49 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 9:48 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

I would love to have the late night threads appear. I remember playing bar keep a few times, and bouncer once. Those were some of the best shifts I've ever worked!

I don't see why we can't have it. It's the only off topic thread that always winds up on topics. It's like walking in to Cheers or something. It's just a place for the night owls to wind down, and have some general chit chat like one may have with a friend.

Gladly enough, I don't really ever see them being locked. If I recall, I saw bobcast and evilcam post in them once before.

[Edited on 08.20.2012 9:53 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 9:53 PM PDT
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What? Got something against Yetis?

Man, do I miss those threads. Although I do remember a lot of them eventually devolving into bar fights. But discussion usually still ensued.
I made a lot of e-friends in those threads. *sheds man tear*

[Edited on 08.20.2012 10:00 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 9:59 PM PDT

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  • 08.20.2012 10:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: American Recoil
Why wasn't I on that night?

I disagree with whoever locked it (unless it was locked because the sun was soon to arise). I think it is a great thread. Activity dips to a slow crawl, there isn't much discussion going on, why not have a place to stop bye and say "what's up everyone?" of course being the Late Night Flood thread.

Now, is there any harm in that?


What i assume will happen if this issue were to continue to be pressed is

"well why not just make a group for it"

  • 08.20.2012 10:44 PM PDT

Posted by: nofatchicks6921
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I enjoy those threads because they're usually a source of serious intellectual and casual conversation on a forum mostly populated by...opposites of those words.

I would hate to see such threads discontinued. I mean groups can be made for it sure but the variety is so...Floody and nice.

  • 08.20.2012 10:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Every single reason given in this thread to allow the "late night Flood" threads is just as easily accomplished through individual threads on a particular subject matter.

The mere fact that a thread reaches a large number of replies is most certainly not evidence of "discussion." I could easily create a 150-reply thread by going into the Flood and creating a "post your desktop" thread or a "smash your head into the keyboard and hit the 'post' button" thread. In fact, many of the threads that gain replies the fastest are inappropriate (e.g., politics, religion, sex, spam, malicious trolling) and when a thread gains many replies very quickly, it is often a warning sign to us as moderators that something is going wrong in there.

On the other hand, despite your claims of intellectual and enriching discussion (which I have no doubt are true), a "late night Flood" thread is essentially a "post whatever you want in here" thread. There is no question that a thread whose subject line is "Post whatever you want in here" would be locked -- a cleverer title changes nothing about this. Intellectual and interesting discussion happens every day in the Flood in more focused threads -- I participated in several myself just earlier today. A "late night Flood" thread is certainly not the only vehicle for this.

Furthermore, there is no way to moderate these threads and discussions can quickly be derailed or spiral out of control. I have personally seen them devolve into flaming, trolling, and spam numerous times. And because the Flood at large generally reports only the very worst kinds of spam attacks and trolling, I prefer not having to continue going into a thread every 10 minutes to "check up" on it.

Finally, if we allow one, there is no good reason not to allow ALL "post whatever you want" threads. These threads are disallowed for a number of reasons (including those noted above), and nothing about changing the title of YOUR "post whatever you want" thread makes it any more special than any other.

As I noted when I locked the thread, if you want to communicate with the community in a random, stream-of-consciousness format, IRC channels and/or private groups are far better options than the public forums here.

[Edited on 08.20.2012 11:04 PM PDT]

  • 08.20.2012 10:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I prefer not having to continue going into a thread every 10 minutes to "check up" on it.
It's almost like effectively moderating a forum requires one to participate. Astonishing.

  • 08.21.2012 2:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x


What i'm hearing.

The thing about LNF threads is that they only work as threads, if you force it to be a group or irc then it looses all it's charm and becomes a boring waste of time.

  • 08.21.2012 2:52 AM PDT