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Subject: Late Night Flood - Should it be allowed?

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Posted by: mubox47
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Well i guess what it comes down to is that, like you said, it's a grey area and that's where you draw the line. And as a Ninja you have that authority, not us. So that sorta ends it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

  • 08.21.2012 3:33 PM PDT
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BC1096
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Foman,

what about say whatever you want threads tailored to helping others. Like we discussed in the PM chat with you it was the same situation. But if I were to create an over arching topic, that can be branched off into the matter the person wants to take , like advice or a story about their life, would it still be spam, or a thread that has no discussion value. Because to be honest, I really dont want to stop making them. It also removes all the threads asking for advice or talking about their life. It's essentially a thread to just be yourself. I want to help anyone anywhere at any time and these threads are letting me reach out onto here, more specifically the flood. I want to help anyone any way I can but I would like to know if there is anything I can do to make it possible to post it again without risking my 3rd consecutive ban.

Hope you are going to read all that, but it will most likely be overlooked :(

Also the spelling and all that is cause its hard to type a large piece of text on an iPhone without making mistakes



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  • 08.21.2012 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
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I'd argue this point with you all day, but it'd would be pointless and for the sake of this discussion you're pretty much right. The LNF threads are just about "Say whatever you want" threads. But so is This thread, which has been around as long as i can remember. Threads such as This are essentially just say anything, but with a 'clever name change' so it appears to be a discussion of a hypothetical scenario, all though it is still really just 'Say anything (to the Older Generation).
Obviously, there is a gray area for every user here, moderator and member alike, as to what kind of thread "encourages discussion." The threads you linked, and indeed all of the other threads linked by other members in this thread as examples of similar threads to the LNF threads, either center around a particular premise or focus on a particular topic for discussion.

To illustrate this briefly: if I went into the "post random facts" thread and posted "Red is the best color," it would be off-topic in that thread and inappropriate, but not in the LNF thread.

If I went into the "what is the most important message for the older generation" thread and posted "*sits down at the fireplace*," it would be off-topic in that thread and inappropriate, but not in the LNF thread.

If I went into the Swag Central thread and posted "Master Chief should die at the end of Halo 6," it would be off-topic and inappropriate in that thread, but not in the LNF thread.

If I went into the Members List thread and posted "How is everybody tonight?" it would be off-topic and inappropriate in that thread, but not in the LNF thread.

If I went into Slayer's YouTube video thread and posted "I had a burrito for dinner," it would be off-topic and inappropriate in that thread, but not in the LNF thread.

If I went into the Community Carnage thread and posted "This thread is now about Oreos," it would be off-topic and inappropriate in that thread, but not in the LNF thread.

The fact is that, unless it violates another forum rule such as being a jerk or posting about politics or whatever, nothing is off-topic or inappropriate in the LNF threads. And though I know we all have our own definitions of what kind of thread encourages "discussion," this is simply where I draw the line, and I think it's a fair place to draw it. If no post can be off-topic in a particular thread, the thread does not encourage any particular discussion and, in fact, actively encourages random spam.

As for having to check up on the thread every ten minutes because it 'has no topic,' that just doesnt make sense to me. Aren't you supposed to check up on every thread? For example, threads like "Halo 4 sucks" are allowed as long as no rules are broken in the OP, when we all know they'll attract plenty of replies, mostly being flame wars and trolls. But because a topic is clearly stated they're okay. Are you saying threads like that don't have to be monitored from time to time?Obviously, all threads must be monitored from time to time, and some must be monitored more than others. But it is far easier to tell when a "Halo 4 sucks" thread has derailed and needs to be locked than a thread with no topic. Despite what some people seem to think, reading every post in every thread, even late at night, is simply not possible. Even if it were possible, that would require moderators to do nothing but review threads for rulebreaking, all the time, whenever we are on. This is not expected of us, and frankly I enjoy participating in discussions too much to do nothing but moderate.

I don't mean to sound pretentious, but you have to trust me that a thread discussing a particular topic is much, much easier to monitor than a post-whatever-you-want thread for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that the context of any particular post I'm looking at in a thread with a certain subject matter is already predefined to some extent.

Basically what i'm saying is this: Every thread, regardless of topic or discussion, can potentially be derailed, flamed, trolled, or used for inappropriate discussions. Late Night Flood is no exception. However, it isn't a catalyst for rule breaking either.This is where we differ in opinion. A "post whatever you want" thread, regardless of its title or who starts it, is far more of a catalyst for rulebreaking posts and discussions than a thread on a particular subject matter.

Furthermore, as I briefly noted earlier, if we were to allow the LNF threads, we would have to allow ALL "post whatever you want" threads. I know I could make an exception, but I've found that exceptions to the forum rules are generally a bad thing. Every single time we do it, those threads are called up in numerous other threads (such as this one), as examples of our unfairness.

So, for reasons already noted, I think that post-whatever-you-want threads are inappropriate because they circumvent the purpose of the forum structure, are difficult to monitor, and fail to encourage discussion and easy, immediate participation by the entire community on a particular subject matter.


So were there to be a thread called LNF that had a topic. say like.

Good evening floodians. how are you this evening? The topic for tonight is video games. List your favorite video game and why you think its good, feel free to talk amunst yourselves and comment on other members proof.

Or

Good evening floodians. How are we doing tonight? The topic for tonight is speculation on bungie's new ip. Discuss.

So in essence it would really be like any other thread but atleast you would know that there was guna be a LNF thread to look forward to. Would that work foman?

  • 08.21.2012 4:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
So, for reasons already noted, I think that post-whatever-you-want threads are inappropriate because they circumvent the purpose of the forum structure, are difficult to monitor, and fail to encourage discussion and easy, immediate participation by the entire community on a particular subject matter.
So why aren't you locking every other thread that falls into this category?

  • 08.21.2012 4:39 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Threads that are off-topic and derailed are threads that need to be locked.
How can something that has no topic, go off topic?

or more seriously, why do threads that "are off topic" need to be locked? what absolute -blam!- nonsense.
A thread about My Little Pony Is started in the Flood, and for 2 pages goes off without a hitch until someone somewhere somehow brings up, say, Pokemon and there's a 4 page discussion of Pokemon going on in an MLP thread. Should that thread not be locked?

  • 08.21.2012 4:50 PM PDT
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Lol my post did get over looked :(

  • 08.21.2012 6:05 PM PDT

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  • 08.21.2012 6:31 PM PDT

I'm going to go with Foman on this!

  • 08.21.2012 6:42 PM PDT

Break down, every single one of you.


Posted by: shadow 2648

So were there to be a thread called LNF that had a topic. say like.

Good evening floodians. how are you this evening? The topic for tonight is video games. List your favorite video game and why you think its good, feel free to talk amunst yourselves and comment on other members proof.

Or

Good evening floodians. How are we doing tonight? The topic for tonight is speculation on bungie's new ip. Discuss.

So in essence it would really be like any other thread but atleast you would know that there was guna be a LNF thread to look forward to. Would that work foman?
I think we could get this to work. I suggested something similar earlier when I said we could make it more of a "Life Discussion" thread about what is going in our lives and what not.


Posted by: BC1096
Lol my post did get over looked :(
I know that feel, bro.

[Edited on 08.21.2012 8:04 PM PDT]

  • 08.21.2012 8:04 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: x Foman123 x
The fact is that, unless it violates another forum rule such as being a jerk or posting about politics or whatever, nothing is off-topic or inappropriate in the LNF threads. And though I know we all have our own definitions of what kind of thread encourages "discussion," this is simply where I draw the line, and I think it's a fair place to draw it. If no post can be off-topic in a particular thread, the thread does not encourage any particular discussion and, in fact, actively encourages random spam.
But the point of the LNF thread is to supply a simple thread for anyone who happens to browse the Flood to stop bye and talk about whatever is on the mind without having to visit a chat room or posting a thread of their mind's thoughts and hoping someone it sparks a bit of activity. A thread like that can easily go unnoticed but more people are likely to stop by the LNF thread.

Now, when you say, "unless it violates another forum rule such as being a jerk or posting about politics or whatever, nothing is off-topic or inappropriate in the LNF threads" I have to disagree a bit. Sure, there is a lack of a set-in-stone topic, but that is what makes the LNF unique. It can go anywhere! That "anywhere" can be inappropriate, and if so, then by all means it should be locked. But if the conversation can carry on between those who are actively taking place in the conversations at hand without discussing inappropriate topics and/or anything else that breaks general forum rules, what harm is being done?

Here is an idea: How about LNF threads but with a topic? Sort of like a nightly debate with a different topic every night? Late Night Flood: Things that you can't quite get off your mind or Late Night Flood: What are you looking forward to? Personally, I think it kind of ruins the whole point of the true LNF but heck, that's all I can think off. Even though you could take the "Late Night Flood" part off and pretty much have a regular thread...

Anyways, I love the LNF threads (when they aren't locked).

  • 08.21.2012 8:35 PM PDT
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*sigh*

What am i going to post about now...

  • 08.21.2012 8:35 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

A few folks have suggested "Late Night Flood" threads with a specific topic for discussion, such as "Late Night Flood: What movies are you looking forward to?"

As most of you know, we can't pre-approve threads or guarantee a thread will not be locked, but in concept, I think this would be okay. I can't speak for other Forum Ninjas, but considering that the lack of a particular subject matter for discussion was my general hangup about LNF (and as long as the "subject matter" is not just a pretext), this seems to solve the problem.

  • 08.21.2012 9:34 PM PDT

Key

Dood... I said dat on da first page...

  • 08.21.2012 9:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Should that thread not be locked?
That would depend on the context. If the conversation has naturally progressed and isn't stopping anyone from talking about what they want to, then absolutely not. If the thread has been hijacked or disrupted, then yes.

So-called "late night" threads fall into the first category, and as of yet, no one has provided a single compelling reason why they should be locked, what benefit the forum gets from them not existing.

  • 08.22.2012 3:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
A few folks have suggested "Late Night Flood" threads with a specific topic for discussion, such as "Late Night Flood: What movies are you looking forward to?"
What's the difference? The two threads are functionally equivalent. By posting "LATE NIGHT FLOOD (also, something about movies)", rather than just "something about movies" you're making it pretty clear the point of the thread is the late night flood style of posting, constant stream of consciousnessness, incoherent nonsense.

You've already made it clear that it is this you have a problem with, so why does simply adding an entirely superfluous question to the OP solve the problem?

[Edited on 08.22.2012 3:11 AM PDT]

  • 08.22.2012 3:10 AM PDT

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i do believe that covers broad-subjected threads.

  • 08.22.2012 3:24 AM PDT

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Maybe I'm the oddball here, but..

I find it more convenient if all the meaningless "12-responses and dead" threads get piled into one super thread that continues to have people reply.

  • 08.22.2012 3:26 AM PDT

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Who remembers the Cherios thread....... Ahhh good times.

  • 08.22.2012 4:17 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Late night flood to you is morning flood for me.

That Cheerios thread was nasty. I don't see anything wrong with a general discussion thread,

[Edited on 08.22.2012 4:49 AM PDT]

  • 08.22.2012 4:46 AM PDT

I don't like the idea of a "Late Night Flood" because I can see that turn into a bad thing.

  • 08.22.2012 4:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Big Vokes
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Activity dips to a slow crawl, there isn't much discussion going on, why not have a place to stop bye and say "what's up everyone?" of course being the Late Night Flood thread.

Now, is there any harm in that?
This man speaks the truth!




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  • 08.22.2012 5:36 AM PDT

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>Implying that the Flood ever generates discusion value

I can see why they're not allowed however. It's one late night flood thread every so often, which grows into 3 or 4 a night. Until the whole front page is late night flood threads. It's something best saved for private group forums IMO.

  • 08.22.2012 8:50 AM PDT

What goes here??

I guess I wouldn't mind it.

  • 08.22.2012 11:49 AM PDT

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Bye.

I've always liked to think of the forums as different sections of the school playground. Each thread is a pseudo-conversation, with people circled round discussing whatever the opening icebreaker was. My favourite part of a conversation is how it evolves, skirting from one topic to another and how engrossing that can be. There's plenty of times I've been so engrossed in a discussion that I've forgotten how it even started. And those, I think, are some the best kinds of conversations.

Evolution is a great thing. It turns Pickachu to Raichu. Conversation needs to evolve and develop or it becomes as stale as my cooking. "Late Night Flood" threads are great for fresh and evolving discussion. The only downside to broad threads, like LNF, is in the interpretation of "Off-topic". When conversation develops, it starts to branch off into different directions. One minute the topic could be movies and the next it's action figures. When defining what is and is not "On topic", CONTEXT is a big factor.

I would define "Off-Topic" as being;
"An unnatural shift in discussion beyond what would have be expected"So what does this mean? Basically, this definition would give room for threads to naturally develop in subject matter -- like they would in real life-- while still warning users not to post whatever they want.

¡Example Time!
Thread 1
Poster1: Who has seen Gran Torino?
Poster2: I have! Clint Eastwood was great. Isn't he like 104?
Poster3: Nope, not yet. I think he's 84.
Poster4: He looks like a corpse!

*Thread:EVOLVED*

Thread 2
Poster1: Who has seen Gran Torino?
Poster2: I farted and my Kat died.
Poster3: LOL.
Poster4: You spelt cat with a "K" you mongoose!!

*Thread:DERAILED*


It's not about where it ends up, it's how it got there. If the thread evolved naturally, without breaking any rules, then I don't see why "LNF" shouldn't be allowed.


*Bottom of page 4, this post won't be seen :-)*

  • 08.22.2012 3:59 PM PDT

I like to try re-railing derailed threads.

Allowed. Maybe separate forum?

  • 08.22.2012 4:17 PM PDT