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Subject: Why is that Thread still there?

I'm talking about this thread here. We have this thread once a week and nothing good ever comes of it. It's just a bunch teenagers playing false prophets and shoving views down each others throats. Before you say "Mods aren't always on." I would like to point out that This Thread was locked almost immediately. It was also posed three hours later than the first thread and both were obviously on the front page due to the massive influx of posting on the first one. Whoever locked the second MUST have seen the first one on the page.

There shouldn't be any "wait and see" with these threads cause they always turn out the same. It's an issue that The Flood will just never be able to handle and should never be allowed.

EDIT: Posting has seemed to die down on it, but the issue still remains.

[Edited on 08.25.2012 11:39 AM PDT]

  • 08.25.2012 11:37 AM PDT

Key

These threads are all idiotic. Clearly they're still active because there has not been a ninja who's come across it, had a problem with it, found it unlawful, and wanted to do something about it. Also, whining rarely works.

Next time, just report and PM a mod if you think it goes against the forum rules (even though it doesn't).

  • 08.25.2012 11:41 AM PDT

The thread was against obvious Forum Rules, and I did report it. The problem is that a Mod must have saw it and should have locked it right away as it's against Political/Religious discussion. Think they're not talking about it there? Scroll to page 3-4, they brought up Religion several times.

Recon was posting in another thread 7 minutes after the Controversial thread was made, he had to have saw it.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Next time, just report and PM a mod if you think it goes against the forum rules (even though it doesn't).


[Edited on 08.25.2012 11:45 AM PDT]

  • 08.25.2012 11:43 AM PDT

Key

The threads OP is not against the rules. The topic is not against the rules. And the discussion of religions is hardly brought up.

The thread is fine and making another thread about it was stupid.
Posted by: Gaara444
The thread was against obvious Forum Rules, and I did report it. The problem is that a Mod must have saw it and should have locked it right away as it's against Political/Religious discussion. Think they're not talking about it there? Scroll to page 3-4, they brought up Religion several times.

Recon was posting in another thread 7 minutes after the Controversial thread was made, he had to have saw it.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Next time, just report and PM a mod if you think it goes against the forum rules (even though it doesn't).

  • 08.25.2012 11:50 AM PDT

No it's not. Religion and Politics were brought up, it's now under Religious/Political discussion. And at the last page people are insulting each other, which counts as flaming.

It's breaking three rules, and I honestly don't see how you think it's fine when it's far from it. Marriage has always been Political discussion with a hint of Religion. You obviously don't post on the Flood to know that these threads shouldn't be allowed.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The thread is fine and making another thread about it was stupid.

  • 08.25.2012 11:53 AM PDT

Key

So if one person in the Title Bar FAQ thread brings up religion or insults somebody else, the entire thread should be locked?

Your logic is terrible.
Posted by: Gaara444
No it's not. Religion and Politics were brought up, it's now under Religious/Political discussion. And at the last page people are insulting each other, which counts as flaming.

It's breaking three rules, and I honestly don't see how you think it's fine when it's far from it. Marriage has always been Political discussion with a hint of Religion. You obviously don't post on the Flood to know that these threads shouldn't be allowed.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The thread is fine and making another thread about it was stupid.

  • 08.25.2012 11:59 AM PDT

Old School Gamer and Proud Member of the Seventh Column

No political discussions are allowed. OP is correct. The thread clearly references politicians in his question as it relates to a highly charged current event.

OP, all you can do is report and move on. No need to let it bother you.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The threads OP is not against the rules. The topic is not against the rules. And the discussion of religions is hardly brought up.

The thread is fine and making another thread about it was stupid.
Posted by: Gaara444
The thread was against obvious Forum Rules, and I did report it. The problem is that a Mod must have saw it and should have locked it right away as it's against Political/Religious discussion. Think they're not talking about it there? Scroll to page 3-4, they brought up Religion several times.

Recon was posting in another thread 7 minutes after the Controversial thread was made, he had to have saw it.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Next time, just report and PM a mod if you think it goes against the forum rules (even though it doesn't).

  • 08.25.2012 12:00 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So if one person in the Title Bar FAQ thread brings up religion or insults somebody else, the entire thread should be locked?

Your logic is terrible.
You're implying only one person is talking about Religion in that thread.

And I'll tell you why.
Religion.

You can't make logical arguments against religion. It doesn't apply. Religion is someone's beliefs, which exist simply because they do, not because they were logically reached.
I'm solidly agnostic and my family is devoutly christian. I had a discussion with my mother once, and the way I see it, the problem is this.

Same-sex couples want to be "married". Marraige, biblically defined, is a holy union between a man and a woman. The problem, therefore, is with language, because English uses the same word for a union in the eyes of the church (Marraige) and a union in the eyes of the state (sometimes called Civil Union).
You're under the impression that a union by a church and a union by the state are different. They are not. My mother and father got married by a judge.

The state has total control over who can and cannot wed two people. If the state wanted to, they could revoke a priest's privilege to wed. The power lies entirely with the state, not the church.
I'm not sure if you're from the U.S., and if you are, then one of us is quite mistaken. Yes, sure, the government may have it's hand in the church's pocket, but ultimately the church will tell you that Marraige is a holy matter unrelated to the state.

Marraige by a church is not necessarily recognized by the state and vice versa.
I'd just wish the government would hurry up and grant gheys marriage rights so we can move on to more pressing -blam!-. I don't see why Christians even get a say in the matter. I would get it if a ghey christian refuses to get married, but I find it out of line that some religious people are forcing their beliefs into the legal system.

You didn't even look at the thread.

  • 08.25.2012 12:02 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

You should really be PM'ing the more active Mods about this, as creating a thread about an issue with another thread, especially one like this, only brings more attention to which turns into an even bigger circus of stupidity and immaturity, because now people will want to argue why it should be allowed to be discussed or not.

There are a lot of sensitive topics out there, and too many clashing opions in regards to these hot or sensitive topics that make it impossible to guarantee a successful and clean thread, with everyone's stupidity and ignorance in check.

I made a political thread not too long ago, and I knew it was political to a degree whilst making it, I argued to let it fall in the grey area after it was locked since I figured it wasn't a strong political/religious belief that would fall into a category of threads that are too olitical and shouldn't exist. But we're not talking simply politics here, we're mashing the two together here, both science and religion, which like I've basically already said, can make for a huge -blam!- storm. So, for certain there is no debating these threads should be kept off the radar. I agree wholeheartedly.

But as I've said, don't bring more attention to it by making an even more public ordeal, PM the Mods and hope for the best.

[Edited on 08.25.2012 12:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2012 12:03 PM PDT

Old School Gamer and Proud Member of the Seventh Column

Over generalization is terrible logic. The argument the op presents is sound, logically speaking.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So if one person in the Title Bar FAQ thread brings up religion or insults somebody else, the entire thread should be locked?

Your logic is terrible.
Posted by: Gaara444
No it's not. Religion and Politics were brought up, it's now under Religious/Political discussion. And at the last page people are insulting each other, which counts as flaming.

It's breaking three rules, and I honestly don't see how you think it's fine when it's far from it. Marriage has always been Political discussion with a hint of Religion. You obviously don't post on the Flood to know that these threads shouldn't be allowed.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The thread is fine and making another thread about it was stupid.

  • 08.25.2012 12:04 PM PDT

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang but a whimper.

As has been said multiple times by various moderators, making a thread about another thread that you disagree with will simply lead to more publicity to the very thing you are attempting to depose. Listen to the other members who said that you should report or PM a moderator. If they choose to do nothing, that is their right and you can do little about it. In short: deal with it.

  • 08.25.2012 12:05 PM PDT

I always get the response saying "PM a Mod" however I shouldn't have too when a Mod was clearly posting on The Flood at the time the Thread was created.

Posted by: Helveck
But as I've said, don't bring more attention to it by making an even more public ordeal, PM the Mods and hope for the best.

  • 08.25.2012 12:06 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Gaara444
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So if one person in the Title Bar FAQ thread brings up religion or insults somebody else, the entire thread should be locked?

Your logic is terrible.
You're implying only one person is talking about Religion in that thread.

And I'll tell you why.
Religion.

You can't make logical arguments against religion. It doesn't apply. Religion is someone's beliefs, which exist simply because they do, not because they were logically reached.
I'm solidly agnostic and my family is devoutly christian. I had a discussion with my mother once, and the way I see it, the problem is this.

Same-sex couples want to be "married". Marraige, biblically defined, is a holy union between a man and a woman. The problem, therefore, is with language, because English uses the same word for a union in the eyes of the church (Marraige) and a union in the eyes of the state (sometimes called Civil Union).
You're under the impression that a union by a church and a union by the state are different. They are not. My mother and father got married by a judge.

The state has total control over who can and cannot wed two people. If the state wanted to, they could revoke a priest's privilege to wed. The power lies entirely with the state, not the church.
I'm not sure if you're from the U.S., and if you are, then one of us is quite mistaken. Yes, sure, the government may have it's hand in the church's pocket, but ultimately the church will tell you that Marraige is a holy matter unrelated to the state.

Marraige by a church is not necessarily recognized by the state and vice versa.
I'd just wish the government would hurry up and grant gheys marriage rights so we can move on to more pressing -blam!-. I don't see why Christians even get a say in the matter. I would get it if a ghey christian refuses to get married, but I find it out of line that some religious people are forcing their beliefs into the legal system.

You didn't even look at the thread.


I did actually. Thanks for assuming you know more about me than I do though, it makes you come off as really smart.

Also, the second last one so unobtrusively mentions government that it can't even be counted as an example. And those are only a few of 50+ replies.

  • 08.25.2012 12:06 PM PDT

Key

Another point, why does it matter? How does this situation affect you personally? Why is it something you felt needed a thread made?

  • 08.25.2012 12:08 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

But see, now what your argument falls on is,

"Mods should be on top of every infraction I see, otherwise their services are ineffective."

That's what it comes down to, at least I think. I'd be surprised if those threads went unlocked because they were deemed "OK". But who knows? In any regard, as long as theyre eventually locked, that's the best that can be done, and sometimes the most. Just because it isn't given immediate attention doesn't mean it isn't going to be, or is being ignored. Once you PM the Mod, just wait and see.

It should not bother you, or affect you once this is done. You've done your due diligence and you can ignore the thread and carry on with life as usual. No need to blow it out of proportion.

  • 08.25.2012 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gaara444
I always get the response saying "PM a Mod" however I shouldn't have too when a Mod was clearly posting on The Flood at the time the Thread was created.

Posted by: Helveck
But as I've said, don't bring more attention to it by making an even more public ordeal, PM the Mods and hope for the best.


Or you could not play forum cop, report the thread, and move on. If you're this anguished over a thread, that while being against the rules, that has a legitimate subject to discuss, you should think about your forum-browsing priorities.

  • 08.25.2012 12:12 PM PDT

The thread is made almost on a weekly basis. It bumps down other Non-Rule breaking posts while it stays at the top. And if the thread was locked immediately when the Mod was on, it would save a lot of people from being banned for flaming in that thread. I have seen it happen several times. It does no good for the thread to be put off for the time being while it grows into a bigger problem.

Posted by: Helveck
That's what it comes down to, at least I think. I'd be surprised if those threads went unlocked because they were deemed "OK". But who knows? In any regard, as long as they're eventually locked, that's the best that can be done, and sometimes the most. Just because it isn't given immediate attention doesn't mean it isn't going to be, or is being ignored. Once you PM the Mod, just wait and see.

  • 08.25.2012 12:13 PM PDT

Old School Gamer and Proud Member of the Seventh Column

"Also US politicians make good arguments against it. NOT.

Would you vote yes on Same-sex marriage?"

Above is the question posed by the op of the thread being discussed. This post references politicians and voting which means the thread is a discussion of a political nature, which is not allowed on Bnet.

  • 08.25.2012 12:13 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Clearly you are NOT listening.

It's not being "Put off", the Moderators are not paid. They have lives, families, friends. There are thousands of threads to manage on a day to day basis and a handful of Mods. They will get it to it when they can.

You do YOUR part, report it, PM Mods, and ignore the thread. It isnt harming you or having an affect on you.

Posted by: Gaara444
The thread is made almost on a weekly basis. It bumps down other Non-Rule breaking posts while it stays at the top. And if the thread was locked immediately when the Mod was on, it would save a lot of people from being banned for flaming in that thread. I have seen it happen several times. It does no good for the thread to be put off for the time being while it grows into a bigger problem.

Posted by: Helveck
That's what it comes down to, at least I think. I'd be surprised if those threads went unlocked because they were deemed "OK". But who knows? In any regard, as long as they're eventually locked, that's the best that can be done, and sometimes the most. Just because it isn't given immediate attention doesn't mean it isn't going to be, or is being ignored. Once you PM the Mod, just wait and see.

  • 08.25.2012 12:17 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Gaara444
The thread is made almost on a weekly basis.
What's your point? So are most threads in the Community.

It bumps down other Non-Rule breaking posts while it stays at the top.Clearly people don't want to discuss those things. If your thread is unsuccessful in the Flood it's because it's a bad thread that people don't care to look at, read, or discuss.

And if the thread was locked immediately when the Mod was on, it would save a lot of people from being banned for flaming in that thread.It's not the mods fault that the people flamed. Flamers will flame no matter what, it's how they are.

I have seen it happen several times. It does no good for the thread to be put off for the time being while it grows into a bigger problem.
>assuming you know that a mod has seen it and is putting it off which you found out via your mind-reading technology that you're hiding in your basement

  • 08.25.2012 12:19 PM PDT

One person reporting the Mods isn't going to work, there's no point in me reporting it when everyone else wont because they're too busy arguing in it. And if a send the a PM and they are away, they won't get back until it's a bigger problem. I'm saying that there was someone who was perfectly able to remove the thread when he was there, but it was still left alone.

I understand that they are not all powerful, but the window of opportunity was there, and it wasn't taken.

Posted by: Helveck
You do YOUR part, report it, PM Mods, and ignore the thread. It isn't harming you or having an affect on you.


[Edited on 08.25.2012 12:20 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2012 12:19 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Gaara444
And if a send the a PM and they are away, they won't get back until it's a bigger problem.
That's the thing, it's not a problem. You're just being a taddle-tale.

  • 08.25.2012 12:22 PM PDT

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang but a whimper.

If you send them a PM and they don't get back to you, that isn't your concern. You have done your civic duty. If someone as respected as Recon decides to do nothing, what right have you to try to take the law into your own hands? Vigilantism is wrong both in reality and in cyberspace. Move on.

[Edited on 08.25.2012 12:26 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2012 12:25 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Then consider he did not see the thread. For whatever reason... Who cares? Is this some sort of formal complaint? It's starting to sound like it.

Say he saw it, and did nothing, as he felt it was within the parameters of an appropriate thread. Does that seem odd? Yes. So PM him. Or PM Achronos with clarification. As with many busy people that receive many messages a day, you may have to inquire several times before you inquiry is handled.

But the fact that I am having to spell this out for you is ridiculous. Do as EVERYONE here has advised you, because IT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.

Complaining publicly about this seems unnecessary. Going on about it even longer than necessary is a waste of time. Rule breaking threads like that will be handled the same as always...

Locked when seen.

If every rule breaking thread you see that has gone unlocked drives you to create a public thread about it because a Mod was recently active nearby, then you have too much time on your hands or care far too much about something that should mean so little.

It's the Internet, get over it.

  • 08.25.2012 12:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
These threads are all idiotic. Clearly they're still active because there has not been a ninja who's come across it, had a problem with it, found it unlawful, and wanted to do something about it. Also, whining rarely works.

Next time, just report and PM a mod if you think it goes against the forum rules (even though it doesn't).
Marriage is technically religious.

  • 08.25.2012 12:45 PM PDT

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