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(please read this post in full before replying)

Let me explain my opinion, and please, if you wish to discuss this with me, don't troll, and don't give short ignorant answers.

The Pistol shouldn't come back to Halo 3 as the main weapon. However, I don't think the Battle Rifle should either.

This is why:

Whenever you spawned with the Pistol in Halo1, if you were good with it, there wasn't much of an incentive to play with any other weapon. The game became cut and dry/use this weapon or you don't win.

Sometimes when you spawn with a Battle Rifle, and there is a guy with a rocket/sword/duals in your face, the, "braaap, braaap, braaap, braaap" of the Battle Rifle just isn't fast enough to allow you to defend yourself.

Notice how both of these weapons have their shortcomings, but from opposite ends of the "weapon spectrum."

Why a new starting weapon (or other single shot semi-automatic weapon) would be better suited for starting out is once an experianced player begins shooting you with a Battle Rifle, it is very hard to turn around, and avoid the next 2-3 shots since the 3-burst shot sprays you. This was one of the advantages of the Halo1 Pistol. If it was just one bullet for each shot, you could then engage battle and dodge a few bullets giving you the chance to come out on top. However, 3 shots to kill someone is just not enough. That is why I believe Bungie required 4 trigger pulls of the Battle Rifle to kill someone.

I believe the definition of weapon balance in the world of FPS's is the ability to defend yourself no matter where you spawn in any map.

If we had a Pistol/Battle Rifle Hybrid, I believe Halo3 could have an awesomely balanced starting weapon, while still giving the incentive to use other weapons.

Agree?

[Edited on 6/21/2006]

  • 06.21.2006 9:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mikespyke8
Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.

  • 06.21.2006 9:15 AM PDT

it would be a good idea, but they WOULD need to dumb it down a bit. it WAS unbalanced in halo 1 = FACT. however something like a 5-6 shot would be nice. and obviously you would not be able to dual-wield.

oh and btw, in ur sig, are those screens real? i think it could be just a photoshopped image and put in the 360, and then viewed.

  • 06.21.2006 9:15 AM PDT
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I don't know what you're asking to agree about.

Anywho, there's a few reasons why the pistol shouldn't come back from Halo 1...

1) The little pistol is stronger than the BR in a few ways. (Doesn't make much sense)
2) Dual wielding them would be stupid...

  • 06.21.2006 9:17 AM PDT
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Lets see?
Your a super human soldier with a rocket launcher, guy spawns in front of you with a pistol, bang bang bang your dead. Thats why it shouldn't be in the game!

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  • 06.21.2006 9:19 AM PDT
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I rekon it should be used in a "golden gun" scenario in MP. It was a little powerful for MP as a common weapon. Just grab a pistol and a shotgun = your set for life.

  • 06.21.2006 9:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: DjjakDarkBlade
I rekon it should be used in a "golden gun" scenario in MP. It was a little powerful for MP as a common weapon. Just grab a pistol and a shotgun = your set for life.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if it was like a hidden thing in capaign like the scarab gun was.

  • 06.21.2006 9:22 AM PDT
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I wouldn't have a problem with the pistol coming back, but as much as I loved it in CE, it would need to change to fit the newly established rules of online play.

First, you couldn't scope while dual weilding.
Second, while dual weilding, you would lose some accuracy, to a significant degree over range.
Third, three shots kills have to go. It would need to be 6, I believe, to work for EVERYONE online.
Fourth, smaller clips. It should have less kills at max capacity than the battle rifle (and less range and accuracy over range) so it doesn't cannibalize the BR and make it obsolete.
Fifth, the rate of fire would need a *slight* adjustment. Just a fraction of a second slower between shots than in CE. I am willing to concede that a slower ROF may be unecessary.

I think we can all agree that we should spawn EVERY TIME with a weapon that gives us a REASONABLE chance of defending ourselves in ANY SITUATION. It should not be the best weapon in ANY situation, but a servicable weapon in EVERY situation. The pistol should not be the dominant force it was in CE, but it would be nice to have a chance every time you spawn.

  • 06.21.2006 9:25 AM PDT
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"I have something here for you...It's your father's M6D. This is the weapon of a Halo 1337. Not as clumsy or as random as a SMG, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. For over a thousand lan parties, the Halo 1337 were the guardians of peace and justice on XBC. Before the dark times, before the Noob Empire. "

The pistol gave you a fighting chance in every situation. It's what made Halo, and arguably without it Halo MP would have failed.

Lets see? You spawn in front of somebody with a rocket launcher armed with the somewhat mildly lethal popcorn making SMG, or the slow as molasses BR. BOOM, you are dead pretty much no matter what you do. Pop pop pop BOOM dead, or Braaaaap BOOM dead.

Hell, unreal tournament gives you the worst spawn weapon in the history of mankind, the abomination rifle, but at least I can wall dodge.

That's why it or something like it must be in the game. Otherwise it's rock bashes scissor and I lose because I happened to spawn on the other side of the map from the paper.

  • 06.21.2006 9:27 AM PDT
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i loved the pistol, it was great fun, but it should NOT be back the way it was in Halo CE or Halo 2 they need to make something between 3 and 20 shot kills

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  • 06.21.2006 9:29 AM PDT
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because with the BR does "brrr brrr brr" then you're dead, the pistol does "PI PI PI" then you're dead
what i mean is that i never liked 3 headshot kills

  • 06.21.2006 9:30 AM PDT
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i agree add the pistol! It does not suck, I use it as often as possible. It is a great wepon.

  • 06.21.2006 9:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mikespyke8
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Posted by: Mikespyke8
Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.


Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes? Plus, you can't even see it.

And also, if it was included, they'd pretty much have to remove dual-wielding. Therefore....in conclusion...


PISTOL SUCKS.

Magnum better.


EDIT: You'd better remove the link in your sig. They are considered leaks, and were used as an example in a stickhy as to what NOT to talk about. Uh huh. Take it out.


The weapon doesn't have to be a pistol.. It can be another Rifle- much like the Carbine, but would require less shots to kill someone- so that you can defend yourself against a guy with rocket launcher/sword/duals in close range.

I'm not going to remove anything from my sig. How would YOU know that's a leak? Those are pictures. If you want to create your own version of what the Halo3 title screen could look like, then you're more then welcome to.

  • 06.21.2006 9:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: Mikespyke8
Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: Mikespyke8
Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.


Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes? Plus, you can't even see it.

And also, if it was included, they'd pretty much have to remove dual-wielding. Therefore....in conclusion...


PISTOL SUCKS.

Magnum better.


EDIT: You'd better remove the link in your sig. They are considered leaks, and were used as an example in a stickhy as to what NOT to talk about. Uh huh. Take it out.


The weapon doesn't have to be a pistol.. It can be another Rifle- much like the Carbine, but would require less shots to kill someone- so that you can defend yourself against a guy with rocket launcher/sword/duals in close range.


Correct me if I'm wrong.....but didn't you just describe the Battle Rifle from Halo 2?

  • 06.21.2006 9:40 AM PDT

that which is not dead can eternal lie, but with strange aeons even death may die.

personaly I like the idea of the BR, being alot like the pistol in halo 1, because.

-pistol-the magnum, weak but able to kill stuff
-machinegun-the smg, meant to have 2 and spray, and spray, and hope you kill.
-long range rifle-the BR, a very accurate 4-5 shot kill weapon, with scope.
-assault rifle-the halo 1 assult rifle (now the H3 one, but we need to no how it works.)

  • 06.21.2006 9:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but didn't you just describe the Battle Rifle from Halo 2?


It's hard to talk about a pistol type weapon without talking about the pistol...but I try not to use the word pistol as much as possible in the Bungie forums. I'm sure you can understand why.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd like a balanced weapon that is somewhere in-between the pistol and the BR for Halo 3. Something like the Carbine, but without the annoying noise, and the minimum shot to kill would be 4.

[Edited on 6/21/2006]

  • 06.21.2006 9:44 AM PDT

Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: Mikespyke8
Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: Mikespyke8
Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.


Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes? Plus, you can't even see it.

And also, if it was included, they'd pretty much have to remove dual-wielding. Therefore....in conclusion...


PISTOL SUCKS.

Magnum better.


EDIT: You'd better remove the link in your sig. They are considered leaks, and were used as an example in a stickhy as to what NOT to talk about. Uh huh. Take it out.


The weapon doesn't have to be a pistol.. It can be another Rifle- much like the Carbine, but would require less shots to kill someone- so that you can defend yourself against a guy with rocket launcher/sword/duals in close range.

I'm not going to remove anything from my sig. How would YOU know that's a leak? Those are pictures. If you want to create your own version of what the Halo3 title screen could look like, then you're more then welcome to.


AS was just said by KOIN BOY you pretty much just described the battle rifle. Why not just have the BR as a starting weapon? Oh wow. I just solved all of our problems and it didn't even take three seconds to think it up. I must be a genious. I mean who else could have possibly come up with such a complex and elusive answer.

  • 06.21.2006 9:45 AM PDT
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So a single fire weapon that kills in 4-5 trigger pulls?

  • 06.21.2006 9:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: COYOTE J

AS was just said by KOIN BOY you pretty much just described the battle rifle. Why not just have the BR as a starting weapon? Oh wow. I just solved all of our problems and it didn't even take three seconds to think it up. I must be a genious. I mean who else could have possibly come up with such a complex and elusive answer.


If you would have READ my starting thread-post up above, that would have been explained to you.

[Edited on 6/21/2006]

  • 06.21.2006 9:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but didn't you just describe the Battle Rifle from Halo 2?


It's hard to talk about a pistol type weapon without talking about the pistol...but I try not to use the word pistol as much as possible in the Bungie forums. I'm sure you can understand why.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd like a balanced weapon that is somewhere in-between the pistol and the BR for Halo 3. Something like the Carbine, but without the annoying noise, and the minimum shot to kill would be 4.


YOU MEAN LIKE A BATTLE RIFLE??!!! THAT IS FREAKING GENIOUS. WHY DIDN'T BUNGIE THINK OF THAT FOR H2? OH WAIT... THEY DID.

  • 06.21.2006 9:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: COYOTE J
Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but didn't you just describe the Battle Rifle from Halo 2?


It's hard to talk about a pistol type weapon without talking about the pistol...but I try not to use the word pistol as much as possible in the Bungie forums. I'm sure you can understand why.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd like a balanced weapon that is somewhere in-between the pistol and the BR for Halo 3. Something like the Carbine, but without the annoying noise, and the minimum shot to kill would be 4.


YOU MEAN LIKE A BATTLE RIFLE??!!! THAT IS FREAKING GENIOUS. WHY DIDN'T BUNGIE THINK OF THAT FOR H2? OH WAIT... THEY DID.


LOUD NOISES

  • 06.21.2006 9:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: COYOTE J
YOU MEAN LIKE A BATTLE RIFLE??!!! THAT IS FREAKING GENIOUS. WHY DIDN'T BUNGIE THINK OF THAT FOR H2? OH WAIT... THEY DID.




Penalty.

Attempting to Troll, misuse of caps lock

Thats a 20 yard penalty.

Second Down.

[Edited on 6/21/2006]

  • 06.21.2006 9:50 AM PDT

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