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Subject: The pistol be brought back to Halo3? How 'bout a Carbine-type w...

*sigh*.....its summer vacation......


and yes. i do.


but what exactly are you going to do about it?


(btw, that was from monty python and the search for the holy grail.)

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  • 06.21.2006 11:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: MrSpinkleswirth
*sigh*.....its summer vacation......


and yes. i do.


but what exactly are you going to do about it?


Nothing, which is what I prefer.

  • 06.21.2006 11:27 AM PDT

good. because i need a vacation.


now go back to whatever you were talking about, and leave me out of it.


im gonna go sit on the couch, watch telletubbies, and eat some -blam!- ice cream.

  • 06.21.2006 11:28 AM PDT
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Carbine-like weapon.hummm....oh! how about the carbine!

  • 06.21.2006 11:28 AM PDT
Subject: Why shouldn't the pistol be brought back to Halo3?
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What we need is a Rifle that kills with 5 headshots and is semi-auto. The answer: modify the The New Assault Rifle so it will be Seim and full auto. And put a half second delay in the semi-auto shots or w/e the BR's shot delay is.

  • 06.21.2006 11:41 AM PDT
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Okay. So you want a single shot battle rifle like everyone else in other words.

  • 06.21.2006 11:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Mikespyke8
I have read The Da Vinci Code. Think before you speak to me.


Wow, you've read a work of fiction. Congrats... you must be proud. What an ass...

  • 06.21.2006 11:45 AM PDT
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Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.


Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes?


The H1 pistol fired 50 cal. rounds, one if which is certainly strong enough to kill you.

Plenty of pistols have scopes.

  • 06.21.2006 12:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan69139
Okay. So you want a single shot battle rifle like everyone else in other words.


yea but like this:

1) Longer range

2) Single shot burst

3) 4 shots to kill

  • 06.21.2006 4:20 PM PDT
Subject: The pistol be brought back to Halo3? How 'bout a Carbine-type w...

The life and world you see is just a cheery toped and sugar coated version. You know nothing of Hell. Unknown to you and everyone around you is that there is a war going on that you can't see. Now that you know, you are part of it. And if you are going to survive, your going to need to learn to pull the trigger.

single shot semi-automatic weapon

uh, those are the same, just thought I'd let you know

  • 06.21.2006 4:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Darth1Snyder
I'm thinking along the lines of Quake 4. You spawn with the Machinegun which is pretty accurate, deals decent fully auto damage, and when zoomed in deals greater damage semi auto. What I like about it is you don't start crippled, and it isn't so perfect that you never pick anything else up again. Of course, Quake 4's needler (nail gun) is actually worthwile to grab.


That would be really cool, kinda like the 2003 E3 Battle Rifle, where you shot in bursts unzoomed, and shot in single bursts zoomed. For the sake of balance, I'm sure bungie wouldn't mind changing up the realism of the same bullets doing different damage when your either zoomed or unzoomed.


The sniper rifle in Unreal Championship 2 fires one shot when zoomed that can register headshots, which is almost always a one shot kill. When unscoped it fires a three shot burst that cannot register headshots. There is all sorts of ways to skin this cat.

Another approach is to leave the pistol, uhm, I mean Combat Rifle's damage the same, but lower the ROF.

Yet another is to tweak the damage so that instead of two body + one headshot to kill, you have something like....

Three Headshots = Kill
Five Body Shots = Kill
Three Body and a Headshot = Kill
Two Body and Two headshots = Kill

  • 06.21.2006 4:31 PM PDT
Subject: Why shouldn't the pistol be brought back to Halo3?
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I honestly don't see why there has to be one or the other. Why don't they just imploy a way where you can choose between a Halo 1 style gameplay and a Halo 2 style gameplay? That would please everybody instead of making a guess on who to please.

  • 06.21.2006 4:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mikespyke8
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Posted by: Mikespyke8
Because it sucks.


Please go away. Come back when you actually have something worth-while to say.


Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes? Plus, you can't even see it.

And also, if it was included, they'd pretty much have to remove dual-wielding. Therefore....in conclusion...


PISTOL SUCKS.

Magnum better.


EDIT: You'd better remove the link in your sig. They are considered leaks, and were used as an example in a stickhy as to what NOT to talk about. Uh huh. Take it out.

Maybe you should shut the -blam!- up? For real? He's using logic, and putting out a well developed suggestion. No need to be a complete ass and flame him. I may disagree with him, but you know what? I have the respect not to flame him over a little disagreement of what would be better. I mean, it's not like he's talking about making the scarab gun available in multiplayer, or using the flamethrower or anything.

  • 06.21.2006 4:42 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

I think both weapons are very fitting for each game. You really cannot change that fact so why complain about it. This is almost as bad as the people -blam!-ing about bots.

  • 06.21.2006 4:46 PM PDT

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Yeah, I'd like a 4sk weapon, in rifle form with minimal auto aim like the pistol..and no burst fire. Good plan.

  • 06.21.2006 4:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mikespyke8
Like your post is worth while. Ok. For you little pistol lover, and all like you, here is an explanation as to why.


The pistol is a sniper wanabe. It is unbalanced. In real life, would shots from a pistol kills you? Most likely no.

Unrealistic. I mean, how many pistols have scopes? Plus, you can't even see it.

And also, if it was included, they'd pretty much have to remove dual-wielding. Therefore....in conclusion...


PISTOL SUCKS.

Magnum better.

Ah, now I see the 12 year old side Mikey boy. Did he ever even say how many shots it should take to kill? He ws simply stating an idea of combining the two weapons to make one weapon with slightly more range than a BR, no spray (since that removes most skill needed for it in H2..first shot wins)...minimal auto aim, and more magnetism..

I love the idea, Kudos.

  • 06.21.2006 4:51 PM PDT

Halo: Combat Evolved ultra fanboy.

I agree. It is nice to see someone thinks logically here. I still believe something with PISTOL-LIKE stats should return so you are not constantly spawn camped, but it should have a different MODEL than the pistol. It should look like the assault rifle.

  • 06.21.2006 4:56 PM PDT
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Just making a small note that the whole thing about not being able to avoid shots, if they shoot you in the back like you said, is because of the auto-aim in H2. The same thing works for just about all the other weapons in H2.

I would say that the best thing for H3 would be to bring back the BR with a slighter longer range, slightly less damage and with a much better combat system that doesn't have heavy aim assist.

Note that when I say less damage I mean something like 1 or 2 more headshots for the kill.

I also see where your coming from about being spawn killed, but think about what you said; If a guy comes with a rocket and you have a pistol who should win in that fight? Pistol aside, yes you should be able to defend yourself but a rocket/sword/sniper/shotgun is designed to be a power weapon. That means that even though you should have a chance to kill the person with that weapon, the odds should be against you. (Coming straight from a spawn I mean)

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i concuer a carbine version of the battle rifle like the on seen in the special edition version of halo 1 trailer section would be prefect becouse m one trigger happy sob

  • 06.21.2006 5:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy
Basically your second and thrid points are cosmetic though. They don't really affect gameplay.

What difference does it make if the BR fires 1 shot, 3 shots, or a millions shots at a time if it still kills in 4 trigger pulls.

Just wondering, what would be the rate of fire on this new gun? As fast as you can pull the trigger (H2 Magnum) or have a cool down of sorts (HCE Pistol)?

Getting sprayed while shot actually slows our turning speed slightly, so that's why we need a single shot weapon.

  • 06.21.2006 5:10 PM PDT
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it get annoying with the three shot bursts id be cool if in your setting you could toggle from semi to bursts to full auto with out it pulling up in auto

  • 06.21.2006 5:21 PM PDT

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Correct me if I'm wrong.....but didn't you just describe the Battle Rifle from Halo 2?


It's hard to talk about a pistol type weapon without talking about the pistol...but I try not to use the word pistol as much as possible in the Bungie forums. I'm sure you can understand why.

What I'm trying to say is, I'd like a balanced weapon that is somewhere in-between the pistol and the BR for Halo 3. Something like the Carbine, but without the annoying noise, and the minimum shot to kill would be 4.


They would really have to dumb down the auto aim or the "carbine" in Halo 3 would completely destroy everything after you have had a few days of practice. Maybe if they gave it the auto-aim equivilant to a Sniper NOT in scope. That could work out pretty well I think.

  • 06.21.2006 5:31 PM PDT

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A sniper not in scope has absolutely no auto aim, and absolutely no magnetism.

Give the new mid range weapon auto aim equivalent to the Halo CE pistol, but make it a 5sk.

  • 06.21.2006 6:48 PM PDT

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