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Subject: Account Value: Incentives and Exclusivity

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So, presently on Bungie.net there isn't much of an incentive to keep any given account. I, like many others, am extremely adverse to the idea of alts as I think that it's much better to maintain a single, dignified Bungie.net identity. The point of interacting within a community is to be part of a community, and to do that you need an identity.

The first and foremost reason for this, other than having an account to troll or post risque posts or topics with, is that, besides your title, there's no real incentive to have any one title. If people don't give a -blam!- about their identity or their hat, then there's no real reason to not make and use endless alternative accounts.

And that is what I am proposing we (with a *little* help from the web team) rectify.

The first and most obvious solution that daza has been lobbying for in several threads for a long time (somehow finding a way to relate it to whatever it is he's talking about) is adding literal value and incentive to your account on the site. This would mean giving you exclusive access to certain features, avatars, themes, etc. if you meet that feature's, title's, or theme's prerequisite, whether that be any given prefix or base title.

These features could be anything from image posting (when I'm not in favor of), to the ability to use named hyperlinks, to the ability to use, say, the ignore feature if it becomes a reality, to maybe even the ability to use polls. For things like poll posting or the use of named hyperlinks, the prerequisite would be something as simple as having any title at all, while things like image posting (if implemented) would require a more high-level title (Mythic, Senior, etc.). I'm not specifically suggesting any of these examples I give, to be clear. They're just that; examples. I could talk about them later, but I'm pretty much in favor of any type of incentivization or title-based exclusivity.


The next kind of account incentivization that I brought up in another thread would be in-game incentives and exclusives. For examples of these and what I mean (in relation to a potential build of Destiny), refer to [this] post. These sorts of incentives in-game would be helpful yet not gamebreakingly advantageous. Plus, it would drive more traffic to Bungie.net if there was a message in-game as well as telling people that it could lead to in-game incentives.I think it's safe to say that Fabled and Intrepid would not be included in the titles that would be linked to in-game exclusives and incentives due to it encouraging spamming on the site to attain those titles.

So, what do you guys think about this sort of "solution" to the growing problem of people seeming to have a lack of identity, importance, and worth to their account? Any additional ideas and bits (or essays) of constructive criticism are welcomed and happily accepted.

TL;DR: What do you think about adding incentives and exclusive access to "things" both in Destiny and on the site which are related directly to you Bungie.net account age and current title?

e: probably not the best time of night to have posted this...

[Edited on 08.28.2012 11:38 PM PDT]

  • 08.28.2012 10:35 PM PDT

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I think they should limit one bungie account per gamer tag. So you can only have as many accounts as per your gamer tags. Would limit alts and trolls drastically.

  • 08.28.2012 11:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheOne008
I think they should limit one bungie account per gamer tag. So you can only have as many accounts as per your gamer tags. Would limit alts and trolls drastically.

That's already the case. People posting on the forums with alts and stuff are just using a different Windows Live ID. (Different email address.)

  • 08.29.2012 12:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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No offense OP, but that's just silly. People already put so much value into things like Titles, and some go as far as thinking higher titles make you a better member. I see no need to enforce the idea that being here longer or posting more makes you better.

And why limit things like named hyperlinks and polls to more 'valued' members? I don't see why being new means you should have less use of basic forum functions.

And i don't see how it would prevent alts. People already use alts to escape bans and punishment. What's to stop someone from geting awards with one account and trolling with another
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So, what do you guys think about this sort of "solution" to the growing problem of people seeming to have a lack of identity, importance, and worth to their account? Any additional ideas and bits (or essays) of constructive criticism are welcomed and happily accepted.
IMO, if a person thinks their lack of self worth in their online persona is a serious issue, the system isn't the one with problems.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 12:29 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 12:17 AM PDT

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No one will be motivated by extra avatars, or by named hyperlinks OP. There's nothing you can give a user that will make them think, "oh I want to be a better, more consistent member so I can post like this[/i]." There's only 2 things that might actually motivate them. 1 is separate forums, which is ridiculous because then you're discriminating by member title or by join date, neither of which reflect anything useful about the user. And the 2nd option is to reward them with some kind of coupon/currency(MS points, 1 day access to HFCS/whatever). Which also is too much to give members.

We shouldn't be encouraged to post, lets just do it on our own accord and let Bungie run their business. Also, I like what Bungie did with making Recon armor public. They made people earn it through their game, not by being some paragon of the forums.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 12:29 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 12:28 AM PDT

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I don't see how these policies would prevent the creation alternate accounts. When it comes down to it, this is just a Game Forum. People who make alternate accounts are doing so as part of their forum going experience. No overblown incentives will stop people from enjoying themselves. Those with alts will already have established accounts with such privileges.

I do, however, want to see integration between Bnet and Destiny. As you stated, it would absolutely bring people to the site and encourage community involvement. Lets hope something like this happens.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 12:57 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 12:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
The next kind of account incentivization that I brought up in another thread would be in-game incentives and exclusives

I think there's a possibility of Bungie.next having something like this implemented. You being able to unlock stuff in the forums by doing things in game. I swear I had a better/more specific quote for this but I might have dreamed it. I'll try to find it tomorow.
Posted by: Achronos
At any rate, my posts about changes for the way titles are selected is because I like them as a customization option more than I like them for displaying a generalized form of an arbitrary trust rating that you can't see or predict other than "don't get banned". I'd still probably keep the prefixes around, and tie them to trust rating a bit more.

The point is that while trust ratings are useful, titles base on them aren't really "fun", where as a system that unlocks titles for you to choose from based on your various activities in the community is more fun, more transparent, and expandable as I see fit,

Posted by: Achronos
The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. I'm talking about making titles less about rankings and more about just labels. Right now, there is a hierarchy. What if there wasn't really a hierarchy. What if they were just labels that you got? The current idea that I fancy is that they'd be a user setting - there would be a set of titles that you can earn for various things, and then you'd go to your My Settings page and select which one you want to use. The prefix would still be done in the same way it is now, to differentiate a bit more. Not sure what I'd do about the bar colors, maybe they'd be earned too.

You guys think of the forum titles as a ranking system, but that's not how I see their purpose. I see it more for differentiating people on the forums, just like avatars.

Nothing really planned here, just thinking out loud.

  • 08.29.2012 12:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.


Posted by: Sven Nietzsche
I do, however, want to see integration between Bnet and Destiny. As you stated, it would absolutely bring people to the site and encourage community involvement. Lets hope something like this happens.
Something along the lines of emblems or skins unlocked by having an account would be neat. But it seems silly to make people 'earn' in game awards through a forum, or to have game-changing features unlocked through a website instead of in-game.

I'd like to see something similar to the Reach Nametags return, where you unlock them through various means and use the site to activate them

  • 08.29.2012 12:35 AM PDT

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Take us back to the olden days. We had a join date. Boom. Other then that we are all the same.

And I dont like the idea of Achronos being the decider. I hope he lets the community vote or have an opinion that he listens to. I just worry Shishka Law still rules bungie. Shishka wasn't cool.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 12:39 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 12:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sven Nietzsche
I do, however, want to see integration between Bnet and Destiny. As you stated, it would absolutely bring people to the site and encourage community involvement. Lets hope something like this happens.
Something along the lines of emblems or skins unlocked by having an account would be neat. But it seems silly to make people 'earn' in game awards through a forum, or to have game-changing features unlocked through a website instead of in-game.

I'd like to see something similar to the Reach Nametags return, where you unlock them through various means and use the site to activate them
When you put it like that, it does sound pretty ridiculous. Maybe if these "unlocks", referring to Crazzy's idea, were tied in some way to a story or quest line it wouldn't be as absurd. No required forum participation, just a linked account and an appetite for cooler stuff.

For example, maybe during certain missions or quests you could "link with the BNet" and download software upgrades for armor HUDs (Exp Multipliers) or Call in weapon/vehicle drops from the site to your current game. The player wouldn't need these bonuses, but having them could lead to easier completion and access to secret places around the level.

It might be out of the realm of possibility, I just don't know. I am speaking as someone who visits the site regularly enough to consider such features. It would be difficult for those who don't visit regularly to make it worthwhile. As for very possible features, I wouldn't mind having cool nameplates/avatars.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 1:05 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 12:49 AM PDT
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terrible idea.

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[Edited on 08.29.2012 1:22 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 1:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: EAGLES5
Take us back to the olden days. We had a join date. Boom. Other then that we are all the same.

And I dont like the idea of Achronos being the decider. I hope he lets the community vote or have an opinion that he listens to. I just worry Shishka Law still rules bungie. Shishka wasn't cool.


Shishka was the bees knees.

  • 08.29.2012 7:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: ankerd123
terrible idea.
Why?

inb4elitismI don't see how that's relevant.

inb4inequalityThat's something we already have here.

inb4peopledontevencareandwillstillmakealtstotrollThat's not the kind of alt accounts this is trying to get rid of.

  • 08.29.2012 7:56 AM PDT

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I think that if a system like this is implemented then it should be based on something more transparent than the current title system. People would get frustrated if they thought that they should be unlocking a feature, but they don't have the title. Also people would be gaining and losing access to features when their title would fluctuate for reasons that we can't see.

Instead features should be based unlocked by visible achievements. Features could be unlocked by going without a ban/warning for a certain amount of time, or posing a number of times.

  • 08.29.2012 8:03 AM PDT

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I think that if a system like this is implemented then it should be based on something more transparent than the current title system. People would get frustrated if they thought that they should be unlocking a feature, but they don't have the title. Also people would be gaining and losing access to features when their title would fluctuate for reasons that we can't see.

Instead features should be based unlocked by visible achievements. Features could be unlocked by going without a ban/warning for a certain amount of time, or posing a number of times.
Or straight-up join date.

1 year on the site unlocks Tier 1 stuff.
2 years on the site unlocks Tier 2 stuff.
3 years on the site unlocks Tier 3 stuff.
5 years on the site unlocks Tier 4 stuff.
7 years on the site unlocks Tier 5 stuff.

  • 08.29.2012 8:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: ankerd123None of that was necessary. If you don't agree with the idea, state your opinion in a more mature manner.

I've always been a supporter of account incentives but you can never have a good idea without out some doubts or possible let downs, right? One of the negative things I see coming out of this is, yes, elitism. Looking at how offensive and defensive individuals can get on this site and blame it on elitism sickens me. I could easily find a few threads in a couple minutes for some extra support but I'll leave the search bar to anyone interested enough to use it. Lately, it hasn't seemed to be much of a problem but that's one of the things that I think of being a negative to account incentives.

If Bungie does add account incentives, I don't think it would be anything big and it probably won't be a very long list of possible incentives. I think it would be a single subtle incentive, much like a title. I would love to see some incentives.

[Edited on 08.29.2012 8:11 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 8:09 AM PDT

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I've actually contemplated this. It'd be really cool to integrate this type of community incentives into their game. Also, good call on the Fabled and Intrepid posts, as I could see that leading to spamming.

  • 08.29.2012 8:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: ankerd123None of that was necessary. If you don't agree with the idea, state your opinion in a more mature manner.

I've always been a supporter of account incentives but you can never have a good idea without out some doubts or possible let downs, right? One of the negative things I see coming out of this is, yes, elitism. Looking at how offensive and defensive individuals can get on this site and blame it on elitism sickens me. I could easily find a few threads in a couple minutes for some extra support but I'll leave the search bar to anyone interested enough to use it. Lately, it hasn't seemed to be much of a problem but that's one of the things that I think of being a negative to account incentives.

If Bungie does add account incentives, I don't think it would be anything big and it probably won't be a very long list of possible incentives. I think it would be a single subtle incentive, much like a title. I would love to see some incentives.
Anyone who gets upset over something that would/could be based entirely on join date is being silly. It's not their fault that they heard about Bungie.net before you did.

But I feel like if you just have little things (Heroic = 3 extra avatars) then it won't be enough for people to care about their username and give any sort of worth to their account.

  • 08.29.2012 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

But I feel like if you just have little things (Heroic = 3 extra avatars) then it won't be enough for people to care about their username and give any sort of worth to their account.



However, I think adding in extra avatars based on rank would really help someone personalize their account more and be a small incentive to being an active member.



[Edited on 08.29.2012 8:38 AM PDT]

  • 08.29.2012 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Unanimate Objec

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

But I feel like if you just have little things (Heroic = 3 extra avatars) then it won't be enough for people to care about their username and give any sort of worth to their account.



However, I think adding in extra avatars based on rank would really help someone personalize their account more and be a small incentive to being an active member.

Agreed wholeheartedly but it should be more than just avatars, because there's people who will just use their Reach/3/ODST/2 emblem anyway. Something like image posting that daza has talked about, or the use of the ignore system, or the ability to create a group, or the ability to create a poll.

  • 08.29.2012 8:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

But I feel like if you just have little things (Heroic = 3 extra avatars) then it won't be enough for people to care about their username and give any sort of worth to their account.



However, I think adding in extra avatars based on rank would really help someone personalize their account more and be a small incentive to being an active member.



No an avatar represents you lol. I'd be pissed If I'd have to stick around for 3 years for just a ninja avatar for this account lol. I WANTED IT NAO. I feel like we should just be able to have different colored text, preferabley green.

  • 08.29.2012 8:40 AM PDT

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The only incentives I would support would be those allowing already blocked features. For example, give the image posting feature or the ignore feature or what have you to upper-level, trusted members, but do not take away named hyperlinks from lower-level members. Only privileges that can be abused should be reserved for trusted members. Otherwise, the sole purpose of such a system would be to create elitism (an old argument, I know) and some twisted sense of loyalty rather than simply sticking with one account and showing you are trustworthy.

  • 08.29.2012 8:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja

Posted by: Unanimate Objec

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

But I feel like if you just have little things (Heroic = 3 extra avatars) then it won't be enough for people to care about their username and give any sort of worth to their account.



However, I think adding in extra avatars based on rank would really help someone personalize their account more and be a small incentive to being an active member.



No an avatar represents you lol. I'd be pissed If I'd have to stick around for 3 years for just a ninja avatar for this account lol. I WANTED IT NAO. I feel like we should just be able to have different colored text, preferabley green.




Wait, you misunderstood what I was saying. By all means use the avatars we have now. I'm just saying it'd be cool if each member title contained unique avatars exclusive to them and to them alone.

  • 08.29.2012 8:58 AM PDT
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I think more people should value their account and identity on the forums than they do at the moment, and that there should be more to have a coloured hat than just the warm fuzzy feeling. (I like my blue hat.)
I can't offer a clear cut solution. If I were to I'm sure people would get needlessly worked up for the sake of wanting to 'not care'.

Why shouldn't people be rewarded for being a long standing, contributing member to the site? Why shouldn't having a title bar provide a certain reputation, for lack of a better word.
The whole idea of being a 'higher' tier of member is that you've been good enough to reach it. There should be a level of 'I would expect more from a Mythic', because of the criteria to reach it.

  • 08.29.2012 9:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Enormous Corgi
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Posted by: Kalriq
I think more people should value their account and identity on the forums than they do at the moment, and that there should be more to have a coloured hat than just the warm fuzzy feeling. (I like my blue hat.)
I can't offer a clear cut solution. If I were to I'm sure people would get needlessly worked up for the sake of wanting to 'not care'.

Why shouldn't people be rewarded for being a long standing, contributing member to the site? Why shouldn't having a title bar provide a certain reputation, for lack of a better word.
The whole idea of being a 'higher' tier of member is that you've been good enough to reach it. There should be a level of 'I would expect more from a Mythic', because of the criteria to reach it.




You present a good argument, one which I agree with, but there are people on the opposite side of the spectrum that would totally disagree. However, I've played some games where long-standing members of the game are rewarded with more in-game goodies than, say a member who just joined.

People playing that game typically don't have a problem with it because they understand that commitment = reward and more commitment = more rewards. I'd love to see Bungie do this kind of thing with their new games because it's stark different to what we have now.

  • 08.29.2012 9:15 AM PDT

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