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Posted by: evilcam
Bobcast is paid in MILF blind dates.

Are they for punishment or correction? Maybe a little bit of both?

I'm sure there have been members that get banned for repeated infractions (Replying to spam, etc). Clearly, banning them hasn't solved the problem or changed the way they post. Maybe we need a different way to separate the two from each other.

Thanks in advance.

  • 08.31.2012 9:13 PM PDT

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I don't get it punishment is a type of correction?

[Edited on 08.31.2012 9:16 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2012 9:15 PM PDT

GOAT

Hah, cmon. Bungie isn't running a correctional facility. Just keep banning the repeat offenders.

  • 08.31.2012 9:19 PM PDT

Key

Punishment. Rehabilitation shouldn't be necessary because all the rules on here are common sense.

  • 08.31.2012 9:23 PM PDT

A bit of both.

Bans can be a great teacher.

  • 08.31.2012 9:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Bobcast is paid in MILF blind dates.

Posted by: ArchAssain
I don't get it punishment is a type of correction?


Yes it is, but for some members it still hasn't worked to change the way they post.

  • 08.31.2012 9:26 PM PDT

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  • 08.31.2012 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Bobcast is paid in MILF blind dates.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Punishment. Rehabilitation shouldn't be necessary because all the rules on here are common sense.


Unfortunately, common sense isn't so common.

  • 08.31.2012 9:28 PM PDT

Different length bans serve different purposes.

  • 08.31.2012 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Bobcast is paid in MILF blind dates.

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
Different length bans serve different purposes.


Very good point that I hadn't thought of. Permaban = punishment. 3-day = Don't let it happen again sort of thing?

  • 08.31.2012 9:30 PM PDT
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  • 08.31.2012 9:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Thrasher Fan
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Punishment. Rehabilitation shouldn't be necessary because all the rules on here are common sense.


Unfortunately, common sense isn't so common.


If someone is so irreversibly stubborn or childish that they can't even learn from a ban or two or even three plus the span of time in between all of those having been spent on the site, then there are one of three conclusions we can come to:

1. That person is so defiant in regards to the rules that attempting to rehabilitate them or bring common sense into their realm of thinking is a fruitless effort.

2. They are too young to be on this site (and subsequently immature) and should be given a 1 to 3 year ban depending on their age until they grow up a little more.

3. They're slow on the uptake that to attempt to jam the notion that doing bad things leads to consequences into their nonsense-filled head is equally as fruitless an effort as the one in the first conclusion.

[Edited on 08.31.2012 11:12 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2012 9:37 PM PDT

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  • 08.31.2012 9:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: vanert
Make the mods feel better about their lives.

I would assume that this is the most accurate response to this thread. They have to make themselves feel better after getting multiple messages about their lives in their mother's basement and messages revealing lovers of their mothers.

  • 08.31.2012 9:40 PM PDT

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For everything else, there's stosh.

Its a lesson, if you don't learn the first time, or maybe the 4th time from you're mistakes, take 5 minutes and read the rules of the forum you desire to post in.

Learn from your mistakes, unless you're fortunate enough to learn from someone else'.

  • 08.31.2012 9:51 PM PDT

Welcome to the town of "Diligence." I'm Mayor Due.

Punishment, correction is a personal choice.

  • 08.31.2012 10:40 PM PDT

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  • 08.31.2012 10:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Thrasher Fan
Are they for punishment or correction? Maybe a little bit of both?

I'm sure there have been members that get banned for repeated infractions (Replying to spam, etc). Clearly, banning them hasn't solved the problem or changed the way they post. Maybe we need a different way to separate the two from each other.

Thanks in advance.
It's not really that hard to repeatedly ban someone. Just ban him for 3 days, then 7, then 14, etc. If they don't learn, then permaban. Of course, alts are also part of the problem, but I'm pretty sure it isn't that hard to deal with. We just need the voice of a moderator with this situation.

  • 08.31.2012 10:42 PM PDT

ATTENTION MODERATORS. My latest ban (14-day ban from Qbix89) is not legitimate, take a look for yourself. Please review this before considering me a "repeat offender". Thank you.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
2. They are too young to be on this site (and subsequently immature) and should be given a 1 to 3 year ban depending on their age until they grow up a little more.
I like this idea.

Maybe we should do away with the permanent ban and just ban people for "years". They can't post on the account, yet the said account doesn't suddenly become completely useless for all of eternity.

Most people don't learn their lesson, but some do. Take me for example. I learned that posting "cool story bro" in a thread where the poster created an absolutely worthless thread can warrant a first ban, 14-day ban, while bypassing the filter in the same said thread can only earn you a 3-day ban, no matter your ban history.

Rules of life. You learn to deal with things and get by, trying your best to avoid the same situation.

  • 08.31.2012 10:52 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Thrasher Fan
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Punishment. Rehabilitation shouldn't be necessary because all the rules on here are common sense.


Unfortunately, common sense isn't so common.


If someone is so irreversible stubborn or childish that they can't even learn from a ban or two or even three plus the span of time in between all of those having been spent on the site, then there are one of three conclusions we can come to:

1. That person is so defiant in regards to the rules that attempting to rehabilitate them or bring common sense into their realm of thinking is a fruitless effort.

2. They are too young to be on this site (and subsequently immature) and should be given a 1 to 3 year ban depending on their age until they grow up a little more.

3. They're slow on the uptake that to attempt to jam the notion that doing bad things leads to consequences into their nonsense-filled head is equally as fruitless an effort as the one in the first conclusion.
I love number 2.

  • 08.31.2012 11:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: CheckedBRUTES
I would have to say a little bit of both, but if a person gets banned from here they can always make new accounts and also bypass the ban that is my opinion.
Is this like an attention seeking thing? Are you trying to form an identity? Because I honestly keep forgetting your username I just remember your posting style. It's just annoying and stupid.

  • 08.31.2012 11:29 PM PDT

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Unless they are permanent they are correction.

  • 08.31.2012 11:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: ArchAssain
I don't get it punishment is a type of correction?
Punishment is like justice: revenge with a false sense of authority and welldoing. The purpose of any rule or law is fundamentally to protect an individual. Aside from the ethics of it, there are also a wealth of psychological studies that undermine the merits of punishment as a form of effective reinforcement.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Punishment. Rehabilitation shouldn't be necessary because all the rules on here are common sense.
The rules advocate common sense, yet in reality they are far from it. For instance, common sense does not dictate discussions of religion or political matters to be taboo.

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
Different length bans serve different purposes.
A good point. The decision making process for ban length can be something of an absurdity. While first-time offenses of a more strict violation can be met with warnings or short bans, minor violations can become multi-month bans due to previous offenses. Ban lengths of a noncritical nature tend to focus on the user, not the offense.

Posted by: ArchAssain
Its a lesson, if you don't learn the first time, or maybe the 4th time from you're mistakes, take 5 minutes and read the rules of the forum you desire to post in.

Learn from your mistakes, unless you're fortunate enough to learn from someone else'.
While certain offenses can be easier to avoid, the rules are currently very ambiguous in wording. There is a considerable gray area in which one could be unsure whether or not something posted would be in violation of the rules, and often this comes down to which moderator reviews the post.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If someone is so irreversible stubborn or childish that they can't even learn from a ban or two or even three plus the span of time in between all of those having been spent on the site, then there are one of three conclusions we can come to:

1. That person is so defiant in regards to the rules that attempting to rehabilitate them or bring common sense into their realm of thinking is a fruitless effort.

2. They are too young to be on this site (and subsequently immature) and should be given a 1 to 3 year ban depending on their age until they grow up a little more.

3. They're slow on the uptake that to attempt to jam the notion that doing bad things leads to consequences into their nonsense-filled head is equally as fruitless an effort as the one in the first conclusion.
Age has nothing to do with it. Someone can act like a rascal until the day they die. Such is a factor of personality, which age only changes on special and unpredictable occasions.

You are wrong to associate rule violations with immaturity. Someone can maturely discuss a range of topics which are in violation of rules. Additionally, someone can post immaturely, say associate all rule violators with three false and demeaning stereotypes, and not necessarily be in violation of any rules. Disagreeing with the rules is perfectly normal, as they do not truly coincide with common sense, in addition to the obvious fact that not everyone shares in the opinions socialized by the rules.

To talk of rehabilitation is rather to promote the concept of closed thinking and a group mindset where no one disagrees. What the rules are can only be determined by those at Bungie, to which we have agreed concordance; however, we are welcome to critique and challenge them, for they are certainly not without fault.

  • 09.01.2012 12:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Rules about what you can and cannot discuss are in a minute fraction of the total rules.

  • 09.01.2012 12:12 AM PDT

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