- Grimaldus
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- Honorable Member
Posted by: Recon Number 54
I've gotten so many "ur bans are idiotic and don't work" messages that I have a pretyped response.
Clearly you don't understand the purpose or reasoning behind our bans.
For the person who cares, someone who forgot, was unaware of, or unintentionally broke a a rule, a ban is a way to "get their attention". The short time out, the impact to their title, the fact that the community saw their mistake and outcome are all enough to help them to understand that the rules are there for a reason, and if people can follow their promise to comply with those rules, that there is a fun, welcoming and interesting community of like-minded people who will enjoy spending time with them.
Now, for those who (for one reason or another) have decided that their own personal promise means nothing, that they can "agree" to follow the membership terms for this site knowing that they are going to intentionally violate their own promise, their own word, and "do whatever the hell I want because I think that I should", well, for those folks, bans aren't about "keeping them out".
What the permanent bans and resulting bans for evasion are there for are to make all of the time and effort invested in a self-righteous crusade, to make that time and effort utterly pointless. I mean, this is already the Internet and anything said is almost useless the moment it is typed, but if someone feels that the words in their head, the things that they have to say, are THAT important that they are going to spend time repeatedly returning to a place where their promise means nothing and they are clearly not welcome, well... that time is going to be wasted.
I see them as grafitti taggers, who don't care that the wall they are painting on belongs to someone, they don't care that the public at large doesn't want to see their expressions, they don't care that what they are doing is illegal, disruptive, and even ugly, they only care about what THEY want to do, and that is to leave a mark. Well, our bans make that wall (for that individual) covered in a teflon primer. Any graffiti may stick for a moment, but sooner or later, it slides off and no one ever gets to see the tagger's "expressions". All of the planning, effort and timing, gone. As if they never existed. No one sees it, no one remembers it, no one cares. The community keeps on doing what it does and the "look at me, I have something important to say!" individual is just another slob. Until they learn how to properly interact with others.
Yeah, our bans are useless. So useless that you can't show me a public thread where someone was permabanned and see what that person had to say or what was so important for them to prove. Years and years of conversations on Bungie.Net, friendships made, fun had, meaningful ideas exchanged, and a background noise of kids shouting "look at me, I am special" who have nothing to show for their efforts to be outrageous rebels.
So, go ahead. The longer an alt goes before being permabanned, the more effort we erase with two mouse clicks. And the instant bans where someone creates an alt and we catch it quickly? They've had to make a WLID, a Bungie account, and then start posting. That's a couple of minutes effort, and 2 mouse clicks from a stupid jerk like me to make it go away, ALL of it. Who's expending (and wasting) more time and energy in that process? Dozens of moderators, getting reports from thousands of rule-abiding members, sooner or later, that net catches the fish.
Oh well, this is probably more reaction, response and even conversation than you are used to. But I thought that you should know that we do know and understand that our bans don't lock the door.
Your ability to come back to the forums and the decision to not change your behavior doesn't mean that you're clever, righteous, or a crusader though. It means that you fit Einstein's definition of insane. Go ahead and Google it, you know how the Internet works.I was there when this was unleashed, it was amazing!