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bungie isnt doing halo uneverse any more

  • 09.01.2012 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: ICONZXKILLER
bungie isnt doing halo uneverse any more
tanx 4 dat but we takin bout bnet banz. lawls

  • 09.01.2012 11:37 AM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

I think it is entirely dependent on numerous factors.

  • 09.01.2012 11:41 AM PDT

To scare people and make them complain about their title, obviously.

  • 09.01.2012 12:02 PM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

More like Google Ads. Every time we ban someone we get a small amount of funds deposited to our accounts, so the more people we ban the more cash we get at the end of the month.

It's nothing personal, we just have families to feed and ferrari's to buy.


Posted by: Thrasher Fan
Are they for punishment or correction? Maybe a little bit of both?

I'm sure there have been members that get banned for repeated infractions (Replying to spam, etc). Clearly, banning them hasn't solved the problem or changed the way they post. Maybe we need a different way to separate the two from each other.

Thanks in advance.

  • 09.01.2012 10:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Yoozel
we just have families to feed and ferrari's to buy.
Bobcast affording a Ferrari on a Doctor's salary? My ass.
Now a Ninja's? That's a whole 'nother story...

  • 09.01.2012 10:40 PM PDT
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The ban corrected me. When I lost my Honorable Member title, and the time I spent working towards Heroic,(?) I tried my best not to be banned again. I failed, but I tried.

  • 09.01.2012 11:23 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I've gotten so many "ur bans are idiotic and don't work" messages that I have a pretyped response.

Clearly you don't understand the purpose or reasoning behind our bans.

For the person who cares, someone who forgot, was unaware of, or unintentionally broke a a rule, a ban is a way to "get their attention". The short time out, the impact to their title, the fact that the community saw their mistake and outcome are all enough to help them to understand that the rules are there for a reason, and if people can follow their promise to comply with those rules, that there is a fun, welcoming and interesting community of like-minded people who will enjoy spending time with them.

Now, for those who (for one reason or another) have decided that their own personal promise means nothing, that they can "agree" to follow the membership terms for this site knowing that they are going to intentionally violate their own promise, their own word, and "do whatever the hell I want because I think that I should", well, for those folks, bans aren't about "keeping them out".

What the permanent bans and resulting bans for evasion are there for are to make all of the time and effort invested in a self-righteous crusade, to make that time and effort utterly pointless. I mean, this is already the Internet and anything said is almost useless the moment it is typed, but if someone feels that the words in their head, the things that they have to say, are THAT important that they are going to spend time repeatedly returning to a place where their promise means nothing and they are clearly not welcome, well... that time is going to be wasted.

I see them as grafitti taggers, who don't care that the wall they are painting on belongs to someone, they don't care that the public at large doesn't want to see their expressions, they don't care that what they are doing is illegal, disruptive, and even ugly, they only care about what THEY want to do, and that is to leave a mark. Well, our bans make that wall (for that individual) covered in a teflon primer. Any graffiti may stick for a moment, but sooner or later, it slides off and no one ever gets to see the tagger's "expressions". All of the planning, effort and timing, gone. As if they never existed. No one sees it, no one remembers it, no one cares. The community keeps on doing what it does and the "look at me, I have something important to say!" individual is just another slob. Until they learn how to properly interact with others.

Yeah, our bans are useless. So useless that you can't show me a public thread where someone was permabanned and see what that person had to say or what was so important for them to prove. Years and years of conversations on Bungie.Net, friendships made, fun had, meaningful ideas exchanged, and a background noise of kids shouting "look at me, I am special" who have nothing to show for their efforts to be outrageous rebels.

So, go ahead. The longer an alt goes before being permabanned, the more effort we erase with two mouse clicks. And the instant bans where someone creates an alt and we catch it quickly? They've had to make a WLID, a Bungie account, and then start posting. That's a couple of minutes effort, and 2 mouse clicks from a stupid jerk like me to make it go away, ALL of it. Who's expending (and wasting) more time and energy in that process? Dozens of moderators, getting reports from thousands of rule-abiding members, sooner or later, that net catches the fish.

Oh well, this is probably more reaction, response and even conversation than you are used to. But I thought that you should know that we do know and understand that our bans don't lock the door.

Your ability to come back to the forums and the decision to not change your behavior doesn't mean that you're clever, righteous, or a crusader though. It means that you fit Einstein's definition of insane. Go ahead and Google it, you know how the Internet works.

  • 09.02.2012 3:37 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
I've gotten so many "ur bans are idiotic and don't work" messages that I have a pretyped response.

Clearly you don't understand the purpose or reasoning behind our bans.

For the person who cares, someone who forgot, was unaware of, or unintentionally broke a a rule, a ban is a way to "get their attention". The short time out, the impact to their title, the fact that the community saw their mistake and outcome are all enough to help them to understand that the rules are there for a reason, and if people can follow their promise to comply with those rules, that there is a fun, welcoming and interesting community of like-minded people who will enjoy spending time with them.

Now, for those who (for one reason or another) have decided that their own personal promise means nothing, that they can "agree" to follow the membership terms for this site knowing that they are going to intentionally violate their own promise, their own word, and "do whatever the hell I want because I think that I should", well, for those folks, bans aren't about "keeping them out".

What the permanent bans and resulting bans for evasion are there for are to make all of the time and effort invested in a self-righteous crusade, to make that time and effort utterly pointless. I mean, this is already the Internet and anything said is almost useless the moment it is typed, but if someone feels that the words in their head, the things that they have to say, are THAT important that they are going to spend time repeatedly returning to a place where their promise means nothing and they are clearly not welcome, well... that time is going to be wasted.

I see them as grafitti taggers, who don't care that the wall they are painting on belongs to someone, they don't care that the public at large doesn't want to see their expressions, they don't care that what they are doing is illegal, disruptive, and even ugly, they only care about what THEY want to do, and that is to leave a mark. Well, our bans make that wall (for that individual) covered in a teflon primer. Any graffiti may stick for a moment, but sooner or later, it slides off and no one ever gets to see the tagger's "expressions". All of the planning, effort and timing, gone. As if they never existed. No one sees it, no one remembers it, no one cares. The community keeps on doing what it does and the "look at me, I have something important to say!" individual is just another slob. Until they learn how to properly interact with others.

Yeah, our bans are useless. So useless that you can't show me a public thread where someone was permabanned and see what that person had to say or what was so important for them to prove. Years and years of conversations on Bungie.Net, friendships made, fun had, meaningful ideas exchanged, and a background noise of kids shouting "look at me, I am special" who have nothing to show for their efforts to be outrageous rebels.

So, go ahead. The longer an alt goes before being permabanned, the more effort we erase with two mouse clicks. And the instant bans where someone creates an alt and we catch it quickly? They've had to make a WLID, a Bungie account, and then start posting. That's a couple of minutes effort, and 2 mouse clicks from a stupid jerk like me to make it go away, ALL of it. Who's expending (and wasting) more time and energy in that process? Dozens of moderators, getting reports from thousands of rule-abiding members, sooner or later, that net catches the fish.

Oh well, this is probably more reaction, response and even conversation than you are used to. But I thought that you should know that we do know and understand that our bans don't lock the door.

Your ability to come back to the forums and the decision to not change your behavior doesn't mean that you're clever, righteous, or a crusader though. It means that you fit Einstein's definition of insane. Go ahead and Google it, you know how the Internet works.
I was there when this was unleashed, it was amazing!

  • 09.02.2012 3:46 AM PDT

want to be a beta tester for bungie

I guess for both. Makes sense that way.

  • 09.02.2012 4:59 AM PDT
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My conjecture is that they are for amusement. There's not too much of a point for banishment from such darkness on an internet forum board.

  • 09.02.2012 6:36 AM PDT

Community Carnage group
They call me Arch. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

Posting on the forums: 5 minutes.
Making a thread: 20 minutes.
Claiming you are the alt of a banned account: Priceless.
For everything else, there's stosh.

Answer to ban: Less stupidity and less annoying garbage. Don't be stupid and don't post garbage or irrelevant babble.

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I JUST said don't be an idiot in this thread. Why is that hard to understand?


It's all about learning your lesson or learn it from someone else. :p

  • 09.02.2012 11:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Bobcast is paid in MILF blind dates.

Hi guys, back home after being out of town for the weekend.

Posted by: Recon Number 54

I wasn't trying to imply that bans were useless. Quite the opposite in fact. What I was wondering however, is from the standpoint of the mods/and the people who receive them: Do you consider them to be a corrective action so hopefully the same mistakes aren't repeated again or more of a punishment?

  • 09.02.2012 4:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: ArchAssain
Answer to ban: Less stupidity and less annoying garbage. Don't be stupid and don't post garbage or irrelevant babble.

12/15/2008 4:08 PM: Achronos [1] sent a warning to this user.
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I JUST said don't be an idiot in this thread. Why is that hard to understand?


It's all about learning your lesson or learn it from someone else. :p
That made me lol hard. xD

  • 09.02.2012 4:30 PM PDT

Community Carnage group
They call me Arch. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

Posting on the forums: 5 minutes.
Making a thread: 20 minutes.
Claiming you are the alt of a banned account: Priceless.
For everything else, there's stosh.


Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: ArchAssain
Answer to ban: Less stupidity and less annoying garbage. Don't be stupid and don't post garbage or irrelevant babble.

12/15/2008 4:08 PM: Achronos [1] sent a warning to this user.
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I JUST said don't be an idiot in this thread. Why is that hard to understand?


It's all about learning your lesson or learn it from someone else. :p
That made me lol hard. xD


Wasn't funny at the time but now I get a kick out of it. To the past and being learned lol Cheers!

  • 09.02.2012 5:29 PM PDT

Posted by: borrowedchief
We aren't here to ruin your experience (Well Qbix is).


Posted by: Recon Number 54
I've gotten so many "ur bans are idiotic and don't work" messages that I have a pretyped response.
Hey hey hey

ur bans r idiotic and dnt work

  • 09.02.2012 7:04 PM PDT

Posted by: nofatchicks6921
Step 8: Kill Th3 Invader

You're not diggin for anythin! You're buildin character!

-Basically how I view the system.

  • 09.02.2012 7:06 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

I consider them a punishment. Revoking abilities on the forums forces people to think about their actions while they sit in their ban. Repeated infringements add a larger ban, making the point even clearer.

  • 09.03.2012 2:29 AM PDT

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