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Deva Path
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: MaxRealflugel
What I don't understand is why some members of the community think that the Sangheili and humanity are suddenly going to become 'best buds'.
The war raged for twenty seven years. We, as a species, don't just patch things up and move on that quickly.
Of course, I'd have loved for the UNSC and his Royal Arbiterness and his chums to have planned for peace and moved on. But that's just not going to happen. Not overnight anyway.
No one says that. Well, maybe someone does, but no one in this thread has implied it. I am beginning to think there is is some amount of denial in people who like this type of fiction when there is almost consistent use of this strawman fallacy; like dodging the issue with a switch and bait. It's probably also a false dilemma. Criticizing the approach KT has taken in these novels isn't arguing for idealism. I really, really, really wish people would get this, above everything else, first.
Reading past this sentence is simply pointless if you don't.
The sole driving factor behind the Sangheili's hatred for Humanity isn't the fact that they had just fought a war, it's down to this idea of Humanity being this "over-colonizing, all-consuming, relentlessly expanding" species that is going to wipe out the Sangheili just so that they can take Sanghelios for themselves.
The worst excuse for another war I have ever read, doubly so because it tells me that the writers aren't writing this naturally, they are forcing a situation out of it that makes everything from the past 2 games pointless, and meaningless, but mostly just pointless. In the process, they are turning the Sangheili into some silly little Mary Suetopia. It was never brought up in any past lore; this over colonization thing is a forced issue, and it is replacing all the issues that could be focused on from the actual war. Same with the "Humans = liars" thing as well. Not only that, but they are riddled with plot holes (How do the Sangheili know all this about Humanity to know that everything they do is clandestine?) and retcons, all of which I could go into various details with. (Spec-Ops and Ossoonas represent a concept in warfare entirely different to what KT seems to think the Sangheili view it as; I.e. charging it head on) Altering the Sangheili to the typical warrior race trope of judging a person by their prowess was also a lame move, for reason that should be patently obvious to anyone who knows something about the Grunt Rebellion, and who has heard of CftU. (Or I could break out the ol' encyclopeadia that explicitly states that they judged people for their convictions, their fortitude and their tenacity)
These books don't deal with the fallout of the Human-Covenant war and about how Humanity and the Sangheili might go about interacting with each other in that time. They deal with the authors gripes about Humanity, and about how 343i can have the Elites as enemies again for Halo 4.
And if you had the same opportunity as ONI and the UNSC has now -- to rid the galaxy of the split-lip species as a whole -- to safeguard the future of humanity against future aggression you'd probably do the same.
Sure. The issue is though that it is based on guess work; if's, maybe's and but's. According to the Thursday War, no one knew anything about Sanghelios until Hood got there in Glasslands. One still wonders how ONI knew a civil war would weaken the Elites to the degree necessary for them to finish them off when they can't even know how large the Elite's military is post-Halo 3. A civil war may not have even occurred, with Arbiter just stepping down to the will of his people; all because ONI reinforced the Servants in the first place to put them in a position where they could launch such an assault. Anything to get the ol' conflict ball rolling again I guess.
Remember, the characters in Halo have no idea that there's an ancient threat looming on the horizon. They just see what's in front of them and behind them. And that 'thing' is opportunity.
Ideally, humanity and the Sangheili should join forces, rebuild and prepare for the worst. But they all think the worst is over. And it's time to mop up what's left.
That story was already done. It was called Halo 3.
This a billion times.