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Subject: Halo 4: A Hero Awakens -- Speculative Thread

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Posted by: grey101
Heeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll no frog,lol.


To be fair, the original design of what appears to be the Arks appears fairly similar to Requiem - metallic outer shell encasing a planet.

  • 09.03.2012 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
All the Monitors are based off the personality fragments of a human called Chakas who was 'composed' into an Ancilla by the Composer.

Again, this whole thing with the Promethean-Knights and their organic-y appearance may well end up being the solution to surviving the Halo firing - the Composer turns them into synthetic defense constructs.

Also, we have seen this kind of insectoid/human aesthetic before from the Gatherer Sentinel and [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/e/e8/Strato-Sentinel.png ]Strato-Sentinel[url].

I was arguing from the game's standpoint. And the difference is in how they move. In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed.

Shield 0459 from Wars is more similar to Requiem than Trevelyan is. Requiem, like 0459, is accessed through docking ports on the surface of the 'planet' rather than requiring the descent into the planet down multiple levels to reach the Core-Room Antechamber portal.
There are similarities between both. And sure, physical size may not be comparable but the concept is. A world within a world. And I still stand by my opinion that a planet inside a dyson sphere makes no sense to anyone who knows what a dyson sphere is.

  • 09.03.2012 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I was arguing from the game's standpoint. And the difference is in how they move. In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed.


And that's the thing - there is no more schism between the games and additional media anymore, it's being interweaved with Halo 4 to achieve a more cohesive and consistent universe rather than clumping together random events.

You know that the Sentinels... flew... right? They're the only Forerunner 'enemy' we've encountered thus far and have never had any deep insight into their weaponry and defense-mechanisms before beyond the Halos. Cryptum and Primordium expands a great deal on constructs like War Sphinxes created by the Forerunners which fit in fine with what we have in Halo 4.

(And once again I want to bring up the possibility that the Promethean-Knights may well end up being 'composed' Forerunners.)

Forerunner structures have not changed...

  • 09.03.2012 12:51 PM PDT


Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed.


Kind of agree with this. The Forerunners we're presented with in the trilogy are almost surgical in their design; everything's perfectly geometrical and orderly - buildings, Sentinels, whatever.

But lately that's been changing, to the point where we've got little robots scurrying around trees and growling like feral creatures. They're like what I'd expect the Precursors' machinations to be, not the Forerunners'.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed.


Kind of agree with this. The Forerunners we're presented with in the trilogy are almost surgical in their design; everything's perfectly geometrical and orderly - buildings, Sentinels, whatever.

But lately that's been changing, to the point where we've got little robots scurrying around trees and growling like feral creatures. They're like what I'd expect the Precursors' machinations to be, not the Forerunners'.


The infected forerunners that still wanted to serve were probably composed and made into prometheans. A theory i made that seems to be coming true since the composer is in halo 4.

  • 09.03.2012 2:53 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed.


Kind of agree with this. The Forerunners we're presented with in the trilogy are almost surgical in their design; everything's perfectly geometrical and orderly - buildings, Sentinels, whatever.

But lately that's been changing, to the point where we've got little robots scurrying around trees and growling like feral creatures. They're like what I'd expect the Precursors' machinations to be, not the Forerunners'.


The infected forerunners that still wanted to serve were probably composed and made into prometheans. A theory i made that seems to be coming true since the composer is in halo 4.


Give yourself a big old gold star, sweetheart. But wouldn't they they be larger, then? Unless they were Manipulars when Composed.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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They were just put into a mechanical body. You saw the new vidoc right? Didn't you look at the prometheans and think about the flood? Those odd stubby worm like arms, some of the concepts even looked like piles of goop. They also have this odd organic look to them and even go around roaring and such. Frankie implied that their origins would be explained and interesting.
So i think this is a good bet.


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
But wouldn't they they be larger, then? Unless they were Manipulars when Composed.

Maybe it was like what happened to the Necrons? Unless you were a soldier or lord before bio transfer, you were just shoved in a (comparatively) crude body. Maybe the knights are just lower ranking forerunners while the 'proper' Prometheans have yet to be seen by us.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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What do you mean by "larger"? they are already twice as tall as MC.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

But Didact was what, 15 feet tall at least? These are 10 feet at most.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The Didact was the Leader of the forerunner military and a Promethean. Pretty much the best of the best, The forerunners at the end of Primordium were mostly lifeworkers and some warrior-servants. I suspect there will be more forerunners to be composed from the final flood assults. You also have to consider the average forerunner being infected which i suspect would be spartan height.


But then again these are just machines and don't depict forerunner size.

  • 09.03.2012 3:47 PM PDT

With the flood of new info and spoilers from the new vidoc I don't know what to think. Though Frankie's comments on the mystery behind the origins of the Promethean Knights has got me interested. I'm almost worried the new Forerunner book might reveal too much and spoil some of the game. I'm officially no longer on the fence about this, I've already got the game pre-ordered. A Hero Awakes blew me away. So many questions to be answered. Still not convinced the Didact is really a villain, at least not the big bad 343 has been hinting at.

  • 09.03.2012 4:21 PM PDT

I still think making the Didact 15 feet tall is a bit of a goof, especially if the average Forerunner is Spartan sized. Think about how difficult it is for someone who's a giant to interact with everything that's made in mind for an average sized person, I'd think the Prometheans would have the same issue. Having him 10 feet tall or even a head taller than the Chief seems more reasonable and practical. 15 feet, even for a forerunner is really, really big.

  • 09.03.2012 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
You also have to consider the average forerunner being infected which i suspect would be spartan height.


Oh, checking Cryptum again you might be right there. Bornstellar's Mother and Sister are around 2 metres; about 6.5 feet.

His father's twice that height, but he's a higher form. I suppose if the Prometheans are just the lower caste Forerunners who were infected, it's plausible that they're the height they are.

I forgot they're not all the size of the Didact.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Both his mother and Father were builders. But his dad only recently got taller with the mutation from Faber.

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Posted by: Old Salty27
I still think making the Didact 15 feet tall is a bit of a goof, especially if the average Forerunner is Spartan sized.


It isn't a goof it is sticking with the canon. In cryptum Anton worked out his size to be about 15 feet from the information given. He is a promethean and the leader of the forerunner military, thus he is the best of the best. The Master Builder is about the size of the Didact as well, so as you advance in your rate your genes get enhanced as well. I don't think Lifeworkers got taller though and we have nothing to say on the miners.

  • 09.03.2012 4:38 PM PDT

I never understood the reason for such a dramatic increase in height for the builder and warrior mutation. If the mutations, at least for the warriors increased their mass/size to double that of a normal forerunner it would make more sense. The wild height these mutations incur has got me scratching my head. I'd imagine a newly mutated forerunner would probably be annoyed at the prospect of having to buy new clothes, furniture + ceilings and doorways would become a the bane of their existence. Can't find my copy of Cryptum, after the brevet mutations are prometheans proportions in line with their height or are they walking giant, lanky twig men of doom? I know Didact's friend stationed on the forerunner ship around the prophet homeworld looked like the hulk, but I don't think he was average for a promethean.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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You are annoyed because you are thinking of them as humans when they are not.

Forerunners wear combat skins even the civilians. They live in them majority of the time hence why they live so long. The furniture they have is all they need because it can grow to anything they want it to be. Their homes grow with them as well, so all your reasoning's for not liking it already have an explanation in cryptum.

  • 09.03.2012 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
4. How in any way is this artifact the "biggest Forerunner artifact ever"? I mean, we have Onyx, which was an ENTIRE PLANET. And then we had the Ark, which was basically a small moon and THEN SOME. Then there is the Dyson Sphere in Halo Wars which, again was an entire planet. It seems to me that 343 has lost all connection with the Halo universe and doesn't care. And even then, since when was "bigger" better?
And then some, indeed... The Ark might not be spherical, but it's still able to muster up a lot more mass than a regular moon.
As for the MDS within Onyx, Halsey says that it is 300x10^6 km in diameter, and.. I'll just use wiki as a source instead of looking it up in the book... Although Dr. Halsey calls it the Micro Dyson Sphere, the Sphere is 300 million kilometers (or approximately two astronomical units [1 AU is 149,598,000 km]) in diameter on the inside. The Micro Dyson Sphere's star has a spectra and energy output slightly smaller than the dimensions of Sol.If Requiem is larger than that, it's fairly -blaming!- large. It would rival a gas giant in mass.

Concluding that 343i believes that "bigger" is better is pretty reasonable.

I can't for the love of James Mason, understand why they didn't settle for the Onyx MDS when writing the story for Halo 4. Especially now when the seem to be bringing everything that was within it TO Requiem.

  • 09.03.2012 4:50 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
You are annoyed because you are thinking of them as humans when they are not.

Forerunners wear combat skins even the civilians. They live in them majority of the time hence why they live so long. The furniture they have is all they need because it can grow to anything they want it to be. Their homes grow with them as well, so all your reasoning's for not liking it already have an explanation in cryptum.


Sorry. It's been a while since I read Cryptum. My bad.

  • 09.03.2012 4:55 PM PDT


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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
4. How in any way is this artifact the "biggest Forerunner artifact ever"? I mean, we have Onyx, which was an ENTIRE PLANET. And then we had the Ark, which was basically a small moon and THEN SOME. Then there is the Dyson Sphere in Halo Wars which, again was an entire planet. It seems to me that 343 has lost all connection with the Halo universe and doesn't care. And even then, since when was "bigger" better?
And then some, indeed... The Ark might not be spherical, but it's still able to muster up a lot more mass than a regular moon.
As for the MDS within Onyx, Halsey says that it is 300x10^6 km in diameter, and.. I'll just use wiki as a source instead of looking it up in the book... Although Dr. Halsey calls it the Micro Dyson Sphere, the Sphere is 300 million kilometers (or approximately two astronomical units [1 AU is 149,598,000 km]) in diameter on the inside. The Micro Dyson Sphere's star has a spectra and energy output slightly smaller than the dimensions of Sol.If Requiem is larger than that, it's fairly -blaming!- large. It would rival a gas giant in mass.

Concluding that 343i believes that "bigger" is better is pretty reasonable.

I can't for the love of James Mason, understand why they didn't settle for the Onyx MDS when writing the story for Halo 4. Especially now when the seem to be bringing everything that was within it TO Requiem.


We still don't have a lot of details on the layout of Requiem. For all we know the planet could have multiple layers inside of it enclosed in slip-space bubbles like Onyx. As one poster suggested the possibility of Requiem being the Greater Ark, that might not be far off. If the planet does have multiple layers encased in slip-space bubbles the Greater Ark could be inside Requiem.

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  • 09.03.2012 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
You are annoyed because you are thinking of them as humans when they are not.

Forerunners wear combat skins even the civilians. They live in them majority of the time hence why they live so long. The furniture they have is all they need because it can grow to anything they want it to be. Their homes grow with them as well, so all your reasoning's for not liking it already have an explanation in cryptum.


Sorry. It's been a while since I read Cryptum. My bad.

But still, half of the doorways we've ever encountered throughout the Halo games would be too small for the Didacts or any Forerunner reaching up to their height. Imagine any of them trying to make their way to the Control Room or Cartograph, etc, it would look ridiculous, they would have to teleport everywhere. I really do wonder how the environments and structures will look in the scenes where the Didact is present in Halo 4. Posted by: Old Salty27
We still don't have a lot of details on the layout of Requiem. For all we know the planet could have multiple layers inside of it enclosed in slip-space bubbles like Onyx. As one poster suggested the possibility of Requiem being the Greater Ark, that might not be far off. If the planet does have multiple layers encased in slip-space bubbles the Greater Ark could be inside Requiem.
That could be a possibility. A quick google, and I found the picture I was looking for (picture!).
I imagine it like a round onion.

[Edited on 09.03.2012 5:13 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2012 5:05 PM PDT


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Posted by: Old Salty27

Posted by: grey101
You are annoyed because you are thinking of them as humans when they are not.

Forerunners wear combat skins even the civilians. They live in them majority of the time hence why they live so long. The furniture they have is all they need because it can grow to anything they want it to be. Their homes grow with them as well, so all your reasoning's for not liking it already have an explanation in cryptum.


Sorry. It's been a while since I read Cryptum. My bad.

But still, half of the doorways we've ever encountered throughout the Halo games would be too small for the Didacts or any Forerunner reaching up to their height. Imagine any of them trying to make their way to the Control Room or Cryptograph, etc, it would look ridiculous, they would have to teleport everywhere. I really do wonder how the environments and structures will look in the scenes where the Didacts is present in Halo 4.

In Bungie's games the Forerunners were supposed to be about human sized and for the most part human in general. 343 went in a different direction, so the Forerunners are a bit more alien/different than humans now. Also the rings were likely manned by mostly life workers. I could be wrong, but they wouldn't have a problem fitting through the doors we've seen in previous campaigns on Forerunner installations. It would make more sense that the rings would be manned by builders, but being that they are pretty much Promethean sized they'd have difficulty moving around enclosed spaces. This is part of my annoyance with some forerunner class sizes being ridiculous.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The Forerunners do resemble humans even Prone addresses this in the thursday war. They are just different as adults due to mutations, which are not natural. The rings were managed by lifeworkers.

  • 09.03.2012 5:23 PM PDT

What? Everyone seems to be getting different previews of the book when they go on amazon.com. What does Prone say about the Forerunners and Humanity? Any mention of Didact or Requiem?

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