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Subject: If the lesser ark is installation 00 then ?
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Then how should we call the greater ark ? like installation -01 ?

  • 09.05.2012 9:48 AM PDT

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Greater Ark: Installation 00A
Lesser Ark: Installation 00B

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Why are there two arks again? I've read all of the books, but I can't remember the reasoning. Does the Greater Ark produce the Shield Worlds?

  • 09.05.2012 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: CoRaMo
Why are there two arks again? I've read all of the books, but I can't remember the reasoning. Does the Greater Ark produce the Shield Worlds?

The greater Ark, also referred to as the Ark or the Beginning Place, was a Forerunner megastructure, and one of the two Arks used to manufacture Halo rings. It was known to have produced the original Halo Array, comprised of rings 30,000 kilometers in diameter as opposed to the 10,000 kilometers of the final Array, which was produced by the smaller Installation 00 instead. Like Installation 00, the greater Ark was located outside the Milky Way galaxy.

[Edited on 09.05.2012 12:10 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2012 11:39 AM PDT
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There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.

  • 09.05.2012 12:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.

And then destroyed :P

  • 09.05.2012 1:53 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.

  • 09.05.2012 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.


"B-b-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!" ~ 343 Guilty Spark

  • 09.05.2012 3:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.


"B-b-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!" ~ 343 Guilty Spark

"When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, did a number on the Ark." Cortana doesn't say anything about it being destroyed. 343GS could have been exagerating.

  • 09.05.2012 3:08 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.


"B-b-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!" ~ 343 Guilty Spark

"When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, did a number on the Ark." Cortana doesn't say anything about it being destroyed. 343GS could have been exagerating.
That's the line I was thinking of, thanks.

The first reference to it actually being destroyed was in an article on Halo Waypoint as far as I recall.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.


"B-b-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!" ~ 343 Guilty Spark

"When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, did a number on the Ark." Cortana doesn't say anything about it being destroyed. 343GS could have been exagerating.



I am getting highly annoyed with people believing every little thing cortana says without even thinking about it.

-She tells the MC that the flood only infects sentient beings which was wrong.

-She says the Ring "Did a number on the Ark" even though anybody with half a braincell would question how she even knows this considering they got through the portal before the blast hit anything. Not to mention she is wrong as bungie said the ark was destroyed long before waypoint did.

She says the prometheans are not organic whatsoever and we will see about that since they are more organic than the other automatons the forerunner has.


Cortana is not a Forerunner AI thus any time she says something about the forerunners it shouldn't be waived off as a fact. Her spending 6-8 hours in the control room to say a watered down statement to john shouldn't be the standard train of thought after all these years.

  • 09.05.2012 8:22 PM PDT

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  • 09.05.2012 11:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: grey101
There are two Arks because Bungie arbitrary destroyed something that had significance so 343I made another so it could actually be explained and explored.
Wasn't it 343 that confirmed that the Lesser Ark was destroyed? I recall Bungie pretty much leaving it open to speculation.


"B-b-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!" ~ 343 Guilty Spark

"When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, did a number on the Ark." Cortana doesn't say anything about it being destroyed. 343GS could have been exagerating.


I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when Cortana has proven to be an extremely unreliable narrator of events, seeming to think that she was given to John by the Gravemind and acknowledging the things she thinks she knows aren't true.

343GS at that moment has just finished running simulations for the Installation's firing, his dialogue is infinitely more reliable than anything Cortana comes out with in Halo 3.

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I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when Cortana has proven to be an extremely unreliable narrator of events, seeming to think that she was given to John by the Gravemind and acknowledging the things she thinks she knows aren't true.

343GS at that moment has just finished running simulations for the Installation's firing, his dialogue is infinitely more reliable than anything Cortana comes out with in Halo 3.

You are saying Cortana is less reliable than Spark? Spark knows what he is saying, for the most part, but he most definitely has a few screws loose. He was going rampant at the time and if you say that Cortana's statements should not be taken at face value because of her rampancy/imprisonment, then the same should apply to Spark. He would do anything to stop the Ark from being destroyed, including killing John and Johnson.

  • 09.06.2012 8:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when Cortana has proven to be an extremely unreliable narrator of events, seeming to think that she was given to John by the Gravemind and acknowledging the things she thinks she knows aren't true.

343GS at that moment has just finished running simulations for the Installation's firing, his dialogue is infinitely more reliable than anything Cortana comes out with in Halo 3.

You are saying Cortana is less reliable than Spark? Spark knows what he is saying, for the most part, but he most definitely has a few screws loose. He was going rampant at the time and if you say that Cortana's statements should not be taken at face value because of her rampancy/imprisonment, then the same should apply to Spark. He would do anything to stop the Ark from being destroyed, including killing John and Johnson.


Evidence for 343 Guilty Spark going rampant? While he does have a few screws loose, it's pretty clear from his dialogue that "protocol dictates action"...

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Posted by: ajw34307

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when Cortana has proven to be an extremely unreliable narrator of events, seeming to think that she was given to John by the Gravemind and acknowledging the things she thinks she knows aren't true.

343GS at that moment has just finished running simulations for the Installation's firing, his dialogue is infinitely more reliable than anything Cortana comes out with in Halo 3.

You are saying Cortana is less reliable than Spark? Spark knows what he is saying, for the most part, but he most definitely has a few screws loose. He was going rampant at the time and if you say that Cortana's statements should not be taken at face value because of her rampancy/imprisonment, then the same should apply to Spark. He would do anything to stop the Ark from being destroyed, including killing John and Johnson.


Please tell me why is he rampant ? He is following protocole, to do whatever he must to save his ring, if you would have read cryptum then you would have known that monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.

  • 09.06.2012 11:00 AM PDT

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monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.


This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?

  • 09.06.2012 11:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997
monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.


This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?


Spark has been descending into rampancy for the last 100,000 years. Just watch the CEA terminals. It's clear that his isolation is screwing with him.

Remember, he's based on an organic mind, and we humans can go crazy after prolonged periods of isolation.

  • 09.06.2012 11:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: FTW 1997
monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.


This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?


Spark has been descending into rampancy for the last 100,000 years. Just watch the CEA terminals. It's clear that his isolation is screwing with him.

Remember, he's based on an organic mind, and we humans can go crazy after prolonged periods of isolation.


But that doesn't affect his reaction at the end of Halo 3... In Halo CE he turns against the Chief for the exact same reason, but now that he's actually succeeded in killing someone (Johnson) it apparently means he's rampant as a result of this when it's actually protocol which "dictates my response".

  • 09.06.2012 12:02 PM PDT

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Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel!
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Sworn to avenge our fallen brothers!
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Open Valhalla's door!
Let the battle begin, with swords in the wind! Hail Gods of War!


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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: FTW 1997
monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.


This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?


Spark has been descending into rampancy for the last 100,000 years. Just watch the CEA terminals. It's clear that his isolation is screwing with him.

Remember, he's based on an organic mind, and we humans can go crazy after prolonged periods of isolation.


But that doesn't affect his reaction at the end of Halo 3... In Halo CE he turns against the Chief for the exact same reason, but now that he's actually succeeded in killing someone (Johnson) it apparently means he's rampant as a result of this when it's actually protocol which "dictates my response".


Spark turned on John in Halo 1 because he refused to activate the ring. I don't think he knew about his plan to destroy it until the last level. Still, you're pretty much right. But take into account his "last time you asked me..." line, and it's clear that he's confusing John with another Forerunner.

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Posted by: GhostLink2401

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: GhostLink2401

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: FTW 1997
monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.


This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?


Spark has been descending into rampancy for the last 100,000 years. Just watch the CEA terminals. It's clear that his isolation is screwing with him.

Remember, he's based on an organic mind, and we humans can go crazy after prolonged periods of isolation.


But that doesn't affect his reaction at the end of Halo 3... In Halo CE he turns against the Chief for the exact same reason, but now that he's actually succeeded in killing someone (Johnson) it apparently means he's rampant as a result of this when it's actually protocol which "dictates my response".


Spark turned on John in Halo 1 because he refused to activate the ring. I don't think he knew about his plan to destroy it until the last level. Still, you're pretty much right. But take into account his "last time you asked me..." line, and it's clear that he's confusing John with another Forerunner.


He started guessing that john would refuse to activate ring, which would lead to massive flood infestation aswell as flood would be able to leave the halo because of the ships near halo.
That already brakes his protocoles and is enough to take serious action.

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Posted by: ajw34307

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when Cortana has proven to be an extremely unreliable narrator of events, seeming to think that she was given to John by the Gravemind and acknowledging the things she thinks she knows aren't true.

343GS at that moment has just finished running simulations for the Installation's firing, his dialogue is infinitely more reliable than anything Cortana comes out with in Halo 3.

You are saying Cortana is less reliable than Spark? Spark knows what he is saying, for the most part, but he most definitely has a few screws loose. He was going rampant at the time and if you say that Cortana's statements should not be taken at face value because of her rampancy/imprisonment, then the same should apply to Spark. He would do anything to stop the Ark from being destroyed, including killing John and Johnson.


Evidence for 343 Guilty Spark going rampant? While he does have a few screws loose, it's pretty clear from his dialogue that "protocol dictates action"...

Going red and attacking everyone, the terminals (CEA), some of his dialogue ('You are forerunner!'). To use another example, the Catalyst was following the Leviathan's protocols and most of us would say he is crazy or (at the very least) illogical. Spark didn't want John to fire the Ring and kill everyone. He would have done anything to stop it.

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Posted by: GhostLink2401

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: FTW 1997
monitors would even kill their creators to save their rings.[/quote]

This is a very good point, one that I forgot. During the battle of the Capitol when the Forerunners are trying to blow the Halos up to stop them from firing, their defense mechanisms force them to turn against the Forerunners and start attacking.

So what reason is there for 343 Guilty Spark to be rampant? This scenario is pretty much the same as what happens in Cryptum where significant structures are threatened with complete destruction (in this case, a Halo and the Lesser Ark), but because 343GS attacks Johnson, Chief and Thel to prevent this he's rampant?


Spark has been descending into rampancy for the last 100,000 years. Just watch the CEA terminals. It's clear that his isolation is screwing with him.

Remember, he's based on an organic mind, and we humans can go crazy after prolonged periods of isolation.


But that doesn't affect his reaction at the end of Halo 3... In Halo CE he turns against the Chief for the exact same reason, but now that he's actually succeeded in killing someone (Johnson) it apparently means he's rampant as a result of this when it's actually protocol which "dictates my response".


and it's clear that he's confusing John with another Forerunner.


It has been clear for ten years now that spark wasn't rampant for crazy we just didn't understand what he was talking about. That was said ten years ago prior to halo 2.

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