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Subject: If the lesser ark is installation 00 then ?

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Posted by: GhostLink2401
Spark turned on John in Halo 1 because he refused to activate the ring. I don't think he knew about his plan to destroy it until the last level.


A logical analysis of this situation, and based on evidence from the following missions, is that 343GS is going to find another way of firing the Halo - "I will simply find another," and Cortana tells John to disable the Phase Pulse Generators.

John was a clear threat to the security of Installation 04, and the entire galaxy with the likelihood of the Flood escaping the Installation and spreading again.

Posted by: Xd00999
Going red and attacking everyone


Going red doesn't prove he's rampant... His eye turns red at the end of Floodgate where he attacks a Flood form, he's clearly not rampant then.

the terminals (CEA)

Again, doesn't show that he's actually rampant but is on the edge of descending into it.

some of his dialogue ('You are forerunner!')

Again, given what we know about gei from the Forerunner Saga this only gives credit to the fact that he isn't rampant.

To use another example, the Catalyst was following the Leviathan's protocols and most of us would say he is crazy or (at the very least) illogical. Spark didn't want John to fire the Ring and kill everyone. He would have done anything to stop it.

Spark did want John to fire the Ring... in fact, every time we come across a Monitor in the games he demands that "this facility must be activated if we are to control this outbreak!". Spark just didn't want the Ring fired when it wasn't ready because the Ark and his Installation would be destroyed (again), a violation of protocol and, based on Cryptum's battle of the Capitol, justification for him turning against John.

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Posted by: GhostLink2401
Spark turned on John in Halo 1 because he refused to activate the ring. I don't think he knew about his plan to destroy it until the last level.


A logical analysis of this situation, and based on evidence from the following missions, is that 343GS is going to find another way of firing the Halo - "I will simply find another," and Cortana tells John to disable the Phase Pulse Generators.

John was a clear threat to the security of Installation 04, and the entire galaxy with the likelihood of the Flood escaping the Installation and spreading again.


I think his "simply find another" was referring to another human to activate the ring. Granted, he'd still need Cortana's stolen index to do it, but I think he simply underestimated John's ability to fend off Sentinels, and figured he'd die soon.

From what I can tell, there is no other way to fire the Rings without the Index (besides the Ark).

Now, the real question is, why didn't the ring activate the failsafe when Cortana stopped the activation? Surely, interrupting even the 1st phase of the firing would warrant the failsafe to trigger? Maybe then, I could see Spark finding another way to activate the ring (via the ark), but that's it.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Going red and attacking everyone


Going red doesn't prove he's rampant... His eye turns red at the end of Floodgate where he attacks a Flood form, he's clearly not rampant then.

However, the red eye has also been used as a symbol for sanity slippage. When Spark is all lonely in the CEA terminals, his eye flickers red occasionally, showing his mind degrading.
the terminals (CEA)

Again, doesn't show that he's actually rampant but is on the edge of descending into it.

He was on the edge for a long time. The fact that he is still somewhat sane after 100 000 years alone is remarkable. He has been slipping.
some of his dialogue ('You are forerunner!')

Again, given what we know about gei from the Forerunner Saga this only gives credit to the fact that he isn't rampant.

In another terminal, along with the flickering light, he is shown degrading and his quotes point out the fact. He considers going to the nearby gas giant before his voice starts fizzing and he says 'Oh dear, here it comes again.' Obviously not that sane. Earlier, he goes 'Alone alone alone alone...' whilst his eye flickers.
To use another example, the Catalyst was following the Leviathan's protocols and most of us would say he is crazy or (at the very least) illogical. Spark didn't want John to fire the Ring and kill everyone. He would have done anything to stop it.

Spark did want John to fire the Ring... in fact, every time we come across a Monitor in the games he demands that "this facility must be activated if we are to control this outbreak!". Spark just didn't want the Ring fired when it wasn't ready because the Ark and his Installation would be destroyed (again), a violation of protocol and, based on Cryptum's battle of the Capitol, justification for him turning against John.

I should rephrase that; Spark didn't want John to damage the Ark and 04(2). But, Spark doesn't know how much damage the Ring would do to the Ark. We know the Ark has large numbers of security sentinels and possibly larger ones (if you count the Guardian concept canon). What would stop those security sentinels from protecting the Ark from any chunks of the Halo? It was floating high above the Ark and not every piece would have hit. It would not be a big stretch to assume that sentinels would have destroyed any large pieces that were hurtling towards something important.

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Xd00999
Going red and attacking everyone


Going red doesn't prove he's rampant... His eye turns red at the end of Floodgate where he attacks a Flood form, he's clearly not rampant then.

However, the red eye has also been used as a symbol for sanity slippage. When Spark is all lonely in the CEA terminals, his eye flickers red occasionally, showing his mind degrading.
the terminals (CEA)

Again, doesn't show that he's actually rampant but is on the edge of descending into it.

He was on the edge for a long time. The fact that he is still somewhat sane after 100 000 years alone is remarkable. He has been slipping.
some of his dialogue ('You are forerunner!')

Again, given what we know about gei from the Forerunner Saga this only gives credit to the fact that he isn't rampant.

In another terminal, along with the flickering light, he is shown degrading and his quotes point out the fact. He considers going to the nearby gas giant before his voice starts fizzing and he says 'Oh dear, here it comes again.' Obviously not that sane. Earlier, he goes 'Alone alone alone alone...' whilst his eye flickers.
To use another example, the Catalyst was following the Leviathan's protocols and most of us would say he is crazy or (at the very least) illogical. Spark didn't want John to fire the Ring and kill everyone. He would have done anything to stop it.

Spark did want John to fire the Ring... in fact, every time we come across a Monitor in the games he demands that "this facility must be activated if we are to control this outbreak!". Spark just didn't want the Ring fired when it wasn't ready because the Ark and his Installation would be destroyed (again), a violation of protocol and, based on Cryptum's battle of the Capitol, justification for him turning against John.

I should rephrase that; Spark didn't want John to damage the Ark and 04(2). But, Spark doesn't know how much damage the Ring would do to the Ark. We know the Ark has large numbers of security sentinels and possibly larger ones (if you count the Guardian concept canon). What would stop those security sentinels from protecting the Ark from any chunks of the Halo? It was floating high above the Ark and not every piece would have hit. It would not be a big stretch to assume that sentinels would have destroyed any large pieces that were hurtling towards something important.


Dosent matter what kind of security, its not like half the ring would evaporate. All the ring pieces would fall on ark (remember that a halo is almost the size of earth) it was near the ark so no massive weaponery would be used. And the halo pieces are huge nevertheless.
And even small pieces can cause segnificant damage. (a small piece is like a library building )

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The rings landing on the Ark wouldn't cause any significant damage to it.

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Posted by: grey101
The rings landing on the Ark wouldn't cause any significant damage to it.

Contrary to my previous post, i agree, the ark is HUGE aswell as it must have extremely powerfull repairing mechanism.
Even if it didnt have any repairing mechanism it would still not be destroyed.
So i dont understand why does everyone say its destroyed..

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

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Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.

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Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.


How do you know that ? You guys dont even know how the installation works, the only time we saw an installation break was when a 1km long ship exploded on it. And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: CrabbySpider

Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.


How do you know that ? You guys dont even know how the installation works, the only time we saw an installation break was when a 1km long ship exploded on it. And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

There was a bungie Weekly update (i believe) stating the ark was destroyed if not it was in an Art book. 2:00 in that video directly confirms what i have been saying.

You seriously expected the entire ring to burst into flames from that single explosion? really?

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: CrabbySpider

Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.


How do you know that ? You guys dont even know how the installation works, the only time we saw an installation break was when a 1km long ship exploded on it. And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

There was a bungie Weekly update (i believe) stating the ark was destroyed if not it was in an Art book. 2:00 in that video directly confirms what i have been saying.

You seriously expected the entire ring to burst into flames from that single explosion? really?


Since your video isnt working, id expect someone else to say the same thing for me to belive you.

And no, it did not burst into flames, the part where the explosion happened was the only one that was actually in flames, if somehow the pieces flew away from each other some parts wouldnt be in "flames" but since they all crashed into each other thats what caused the explosions.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: CrabbySpider

Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.


How do you know that ? You guys dont even know how the installation works, the only time we saw an installation break was when a 1km long ship exploded on it. And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

We know for fact that the Ark sustained a lot of damage, probably irrepairable damage.
Quote from Cortana:
When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, and did a number on the Ark. The portal couldn't sustain itself...

This tells us that the Ark was heavily damaged to the extent of not being fully operational (because it couldn't keep the portal open any longer).

And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

If you look at the Halo 3 ending which is far more relevant, then you would know that the explosion was massive.

P.S. grey your link didn't work for me.



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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/universe/Detail/the-halo-array/7ec 5ea56-3d8c-4644-a760-5baa8f35166c


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Posted by: grey101
http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/universe/Detail/the-halo-array/7ec 5ea56-3d8c-4644-a760-5baa8f35166c


Watch, And you not believing what i am saying doesn't magically make it untrue.

He said obliterate the ark and the flood. That dosent necessarily mean that it got destroyed, it might mean that the flood on the ark got wiped out.




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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: CrabbySpider

Posted by: grey101
Because we have known for years that the tactical firing outright obliterated the installation. If you even think about the situation for half a minute you wouldn't try contesting it.

Yeah this basically. The ring didn't just fall apart and land on the Ark. It caused a massive chain explosion at the same time.


How do you know that ? You guys dont even know how the installation works, the only time we saw an installation break was when a 1km long ship exploded on it. And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

We know for fact that the Ark sustained a lot of damage, probably irrepairable damage.
Quote from Cortana:
When Halo fired it shook itself to pieces, and did a number on the Ark. The portal couldn't sustain itself...

This tells us that the Ark was heavily damaged to the extent of not being fully operational (because it couldn't keep the portal open any longer).

And we can clearly see here that the ring itself did not explode but only broke.

If you look at the Halo 3 ending which is far more relevant, then you would know that the explosion was massive.

P.S. grey your link didn't work for me.



I agree, that there was some damage, maybe alot, but i disagree that the ark was destroyed. In halo 3 all we see is that there is some wave spreading, we do not know how the original wave looks so we cant say its an explosion.

Who knows ? Maybe its suppost to look like that.

I mean the ark is on 12,7 time bigger than a halo, i dont think its destroyed.

You might ask, why am i trying to prove that its still there ? Because i would just feel sad that such a construct would go to waste.

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I also read somewhere that 343 or medicant when were on ark shut down the local AI, is that true ?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Are you serious? That is direct confirmation that the Ark was obliterated don't deny it just because you don't want to be true. Why the hell else do you think 343I made a bigger ark?

It doesn't matter what you think because we have at least 2 confirmed sources that the ark was destroyed even if i can only find one.

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Posted by: grey101
Are you serious? That is direct confirmation that the Ark was obliterated don't deny it just because you don't want to be true. Why the hell else do you think 343I made a bigger ark?

It doesn't matter what you think because we have at least 2 confirmed sources that the ark was destroyed even if i can only find one.

Halo 04 also got obliterated, then they made another 1, i bet the greater ark could make a lesser ark.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The lesser Ark purpose was to make more Halo's if they got destroyed. I doubt the Forerunners would have guessed we would destroy such a place. They didn't plan for everything nor were they the best planners.

  • 09.08.2012 3:54 PM PDT

It's obvious the Ark in Halo 3 was destroyed; too soon in my opinion, Bungie wrote it out before we knew much about it. Which is probably 343i's opinion too, hence why they've created the Greater Ark/Lesser Ark situation.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog
It's obvious the Ark in Halo 3 was destroyed; too soon in my opinion, Bungie wrote it out before we knew much about it. Which is probably 343i's opinion too, hence why they've created the Greater Ark/Lesser Ark situation.


Exactly what i said. I have gotten tired of bungie introducing something that is suppose to be insanely important and destroying it within the same game.

  • 09.09.2012 12:26 PM PDT

I still think it's a crying shame that High Charity was infected and destroyed. The most interesting place in the Halo universe in my opinion, I love details on Covenant/ex-Covenant society.

Hopefully we'll see Sanghelios in Halo 5. Maybe during the opening, the way we first see Earth at the beginning of Halo 2.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I hope not, they are already ruining the covenant by involving them and rushing the plot to have them in halo 4.

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Greater Ark: Installation 00A
Lesser Ark: Installation 00B

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Posted by: grey101
I hope not, they are already ruining the covenant by involving them and rushing the plot to have them in halo 4.


Although I'm conflicted on the issue of the Storm playing a significant role in Halo 4 (although less so now I know why, after the Thursday War leak), since the announcement of the Reclaimer trilogy I've expected that we will at some point in the trilogy return to 'our' space.

By which I mean the Orion belt and wherever the Covenant empire extends to. I can imagine the Infinity leaving Requiem for home at the end of Halo 5 with John aboard, but although the situation on Requiem might be resolved, I think that we'll just be getting started.

I don't think the Didact is the Ancient Evil and I think by the end of the first game he'll become an ally. I think we've yet to see the Ancient Evil, and it'll be revealed at the end of Halo 4 - whether that manifests as the Timeless One or something else is something I'm not sure about.

But when it appears, we'll need everyone to band together - human, Covenant, Forerunner - whatever.

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