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Subject: Halo: Reach and Halo 4......whats the fuss about?

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Posted by: MR E0S
I can come up with plenty of reasons why it's harder than you think to find friends to play with.

I don't know what internet you've been using... but 99% of the people I ever met in matchmaking from Halo 2 all the way to Reach, are not worth putting on my friends list.


1. No one wants to play with someone like you.
2. Given an average of 9 or so other people in a game, and 1000 games (which is not at all unreasonable), you would meet 10 decent people by your math. Enough to start a custom lobby? I think yes.
3. The reason customs are fun is that everyone is there to have a good time. It's like H3's social x2. The reason people aren't dicks in customs like they are in MM is because they went to so much effort getting into the game so they won't be a dick. If you added a browser, you would get all the MM randoms jumping from game to game betraying snipers, griefing, etc. Why should they care, the worst that could happen is they get kicked and join anoher game with their handy dandy server browser.
4. Stop being such a baby and wasting everyone else's time. I suggest you retire from this forum and the internet completely.

  • 09.06.2012 5:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: MR E0S
Ok, now how many are on inside maps where the moment you spawn in, within seconds and enemy could be coming around each and every corner at you?


If you've actually been paying attention to the game (which is highly unlikely) then you'll have figured out that this rarely ever happens.

  • 09.06.2012 5:45 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
Battle Creek? That's a Claustrophobic map. If you need a reference of what I consider small.


I think you forgot that you wont find battle creek in the big team battle roster of maps. Battle creek is for small matches that at max have up to 8 players on it at once, not 16 which you would be in big team battle.

  • 09.06.2012 5:46 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

You may have interpreted that wrong. I meant that as.

Most of matchmaking, except for BTB, has you playing on smaller more confined maps.

Those of us, that like the BIGGER stuff, get 2 playlists. I forgot about invasion. That's how much invasion sucks, that I almost forgot about it.

And go figure they're too stupid to at least split it up into 4 to accomodate the obj players and slayer players. Nope lets just put it up for a vote. Then have players dashboard and quit instead.

  • 09.06.2012 5:47 PM PDT

Many of the maps might be small, but those maps are meant to have a small amount of players on it. I dont want to play 4v4 slayer or objective on Hemorrhage that wouldn't be fun.

If you played with friends in big team you could pull the vote in your favor every time, but instead you want to change the entire way matchmaking works, by making it a server browser based game.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 5:52 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 5:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: MR E0S
YOU apparently don't understand it.


I'm by no means a good player, but I don't think anyone here would argue that my understanding of Halo is far greater than yours.

What you are suggesting for the game is not only impractical and outdated, but also unrealistic.

Halo Custom Edition has everything you want--wide open custom maps and custom browsing. And I imagine it also has a community full of less 'competitives' as you say (and lol at implying all are bad people).

AKA, an outdated game for outdated ideas and an outdated mentality. Sounds like home.




[Edited on 09.06.2012 5:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 5:52 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!


Posted by: MisguidedDrake4

Posted by: MR E0S
I can come up with plenty of reasons why it's harder than you think to find friends to play with.

I don't know what internet you've been using... but 99% of the people I ever met in matchmaking from Halo 2 all the way to Reach, are not worth putting on my friends list.


1. No one wants to play with someone like you.
2. Given an average of 9 or so other people in a game, and 1000 games (which is not at all unreasonable), you would meet 10 decent people by your math. Enough to start a custom lobby? I think yes.
3. The reason customs are fun is that everyone is there to have a good time. It's like H3's social x2. The reason people aren't dicks in customs like they are in MM is because they went to so much effort getting into the game so they won't be a dick. If you added a browser, you would get all the MM randoms jumping from game to game betraying snipers, griefing, etc. Why should they care, the worst that could happen is they get kicked and join anoher game with their handy dandy server browser.
4. Stop being such a baby and wasting everyone else's time. I suggest you retire from this forum and the internet completely.


I only managed to rack up 600 games on Halo 3? What? I'm not a -blam!- loser like the rest of you. With you 20k plus numbers.

As for you number 3, you explained matchmaking as it currently is. Just a bunch of randoms -blam!- off with no worries, because all they have to do is hit that 'handy dandy' MM button and off they go into a fresh new game.

IF it was a server browser.. They start getting blacklisted. They start finding out they can't join anyone anymore.....

MM is what lets the greifers get away with it. Because it takes to long for their algorithms to kick in and punish. That wouldn't happen with a SB. Especially if the person in control of the Server is present and made aware of the trouble maker. The person might have figured out a way past the alogrithm but they are not going to fool a human thinking being.

It may seem like I'm contradicting myself here but.

SERVER BROWSERS = Personal
Matchmaking = Anonymous

I think you can put the 2+2 together on that analogy.

The way I see it, most of you could care less because you all damn well know you'd be getting blacklisted left and right. But if that's the case, then you need to consider why you are getting blacklisted. If it's because of skill level. WELL THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't -blam!- annihalate them. It's not that hard to pull your punches. I do it all the time and you know what, I don't suddenly feel like I did something wrong because of it. The world didn't end because I gave someone who's worse than me a fighting chance.
Get blacklisted because your too good and refuse to let up, or let up. It's your choice. You could always host your own.

And if it's a p2p server browser, that person who just blacklisted you from their host, is just that, just that one person. Doesn't mean there aren't a thousand other people trying to find players to fill their room.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:17 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 5:54 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S
I only managed to rack up 600 games on Halo 3? What? I'm not a -blam!- loser like the rest of you. With you 20k plus numbers.


So playing a video game for a long time makes us losers ok whatever you say.....

As for you number 3, you explained matchmaking as it currently is. Just a bunch of randoms -blam!- off with no worries, because all they have to do is hit that MM button and off they go into a fresh new game.

Just like how all they have to do is join a new server when they get banned.

IF it was a server browser.. They start getting blacklisted. They start finding out they can't join anyone anymore.....

Sounds a lot worse then the quit ban which you hate so much.

MM is what lets the greifers get away with it. Because it takes to long for their algorithms to kick in and punish. That wouldn't happen with a SB. Especially if the person in control of the Server is present and made aware of the trouble maker. The person might have figured out a way past the alogrithm but they are not going to fool a human thinking being.

You give human beings to much credit

It may seem like I'm contradicting myself here but.

You are contradicting yourself.

SERVER BROWSERS = Personal
Matchmaking = Anonymous


I think you can put the 2+2 together on that analogy I can but by your logic 2+2 would equal 5

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:19 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:12 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

In a server browser environment. How many servers do you think a griefer is going to be able to get away with before he realizes he's been blacklisted from most anything remotely close to him with a good ping and good map/settings? Eventually their list of servers is going to run out. With MM, THERE'S ALWAYS A NEW GAME TO JOIN!

You are underestimating how effecting a server browser environment(with the proper blacklisting controls) can be to weed out undesirables.

Do you have any say of who gets weeded out of your matches in matchmaking? Not really.

That's about the only redeeming quality of matchmaking, it insures that you are put into a room. It doesn't matter what the quality of that room is.. but at least it put you in a room.. right?

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:20 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S
In a server browser environment. How many servers do you think a griefer is going to be able to get away with before he realizes he's been blacklisted from most anything remotely close to him with a good ping and good map/settings?

You are underestimating how effecting a server browser environment is (with the proper blacklisting controls) can be to weed out undesirables.

Do you have any say of who gets weeded out of your matches in matchmaking? Not really.


People can be extremely irrational. It doesnt matter how many times a griefer gets banned from a server, they can always join another server and harass other players. Plus it is so common for people to ban others that dont deserve it. Server Browsing is no better than the reach matchmaking system.

Also when someone gets banned for no reason from their favorite server forever and someone gets banned from matchmaking for 10 minutes and they didnt deserve it which one is worse?

  • 09.06.2012 6:25 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

I would say the 10 minutes.
If you get banned from a server forever. Either the server and players were not worth playing against in the first place if they are going to be that lame.. or you deserved it.

Alot of people who are undeserving of being labeled a quitter are getting slapped with this quit ban probation -blam!-.

It might only be 10 minutes, but it's the application of it and the message it portays.

"Either put up with our stupid playlist we make for you or don't play our game at all. Oh and BTW, most of the people who would be targeted by this quit ban are unable to play customs and get away from our stupid playlists because we so toughtfully limited it to a friends only. So enjoy playing hide and seek against stacked teams.



I'll give you a recent example of me getting kicked unjustly. But so what.

IT was a 10v10 LFD2 server. I spawned as a spitter. I spit at a downed survivor. I hid, waited for the thing to recharge and spit at someone else. Suddenly a vote comes up to kick me I asked why. It's because they all like to glitch the system so they can put out up to 10x the amount of spit that is normally possible. So they basically want you to spit and then die. I didn't know this rule. IT wasn't pasted up anywhere upon joining the server. No warning, just vote, kicked.

You know what I realized from that? THOSE MF'RS ARE NOT WORTH PLAYING WITH! I got over it and found a different server with more mature players who aren't trying to cheat. No harm no foul. I had fun in that server while it lasted.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:35 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:28 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
I would say the 10 minutes.
If you get banned from a server forever. Either the server and players were not worth playing against in the first place if they are going to be that lame.. or you deserved it.


First of all i said you didn't deserve it. Secondly its only the host, the other players are fine and enjoying the game and you killed the host 3 times in a row and he bans you forever.

Granted the 10 minute ban sucks and is unnecessary but 10 minutes vs your favorite server forever, i think the average person would rather be banned for 10 minutes then be banned from their favorite server.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:32 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:31 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
"Either put up with our stupid playlist we make for you or don't play our game at all. Oh and BTW, most of the people who would be targeted by this quit ban are unable to play customs and get away from our stupid playlists because we so toughtfully limited it to a friends only. So enjoy playing hide and seek against stacked teams.


Its not hard to find friends to play customs with. How are you having this problem? It would take me 5 minutes to get 16 player customs going.

  • 09.06.2012 6:34 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

Good for you, my friends don't consist of a bunch of Halo nerds on tap.

And I know I'm not the only one in that situation.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:36 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:36 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
Good for you, my friends don't consist of a bunch of Halo nerds on tap.

And I know I'm not the only one in that situation.


So im a halo nerd for having friends that want to play customs?

Listen just because you cant get friends to play customs with you doesnt mean that halo should be completely changed for you.
Find people and play customs is it that freaking hard?

  • 09.06.2012 6:38 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

Make a custom game and put it on a list that people can browse in the game, so people can find it.

IS THAT SO FREAKING HARD?

Compare making friends with people by playing custom games...to playing with people in matchmaking.

Which do you think is a better method?

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:48 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
Make a custom game, and put it on a list so people can find it.

IS THAT SO FREAKING HARD?


When it requires the entire way matchmaking works yes, it is. Work with what you have right now because the matchmaking system and custom lobby system wont change for you. Find some people online, find some people that you know, and then go play customs is it hard? No, your just lazy and selfish.

  • 09.06.2012 6:50 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

No, it's more like stupid competitive -blam!-es crying about ranks... you have to have matchmaking as the main attraction otherwise it won't draw enough population for your e-peen contest.

The bigger the population, the bigger the e-peen.

Remember when I mentioned or asked...

Why do we all have to play by the same rules?

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: MR E0S
I can come up with plenty of reasons why it's harder than you think to find friends to play with.
There's hundreds of players right here that aren't jerks, are fun to play with, and have a wide range of Halo skill, from bad to good. That's just one example I pulled off of the Classifieds. There are tons of clans, communities, and groups full of nice people that want you to join and play with them.

I've made this point before, as you may recall, but I'll say it again; it's VERY easy to find good players and good people to play with. As long as you make the effort to look, that is.

Edit: On the actual thread topic, I think H4 will be great. 343 has proved that they know what they're doing numerous times. They've also shown their support for competition in Halo, so I have no doubt that H4 will be great for both competitive and casual gameplay.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 6:56 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: MR E0S
Compare making friends with people by playing custom games...to playing with people in matchmaking.

Which do you think is a better method?


Or you could play customs with the friends you already have. You can even invite random people and makes friends that way, but instead you keep preaching that the entire system should be changed, even though its not hard to find people who want to play custom games. You are just to lazy to make an effort.

  • 09.06.2012 6:53 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

Yes I am too lazy, because the effort involved is stupid and retarded. There is a better way to do it that doesn't involve 3rd party websites. Signing up to that. Listing my information. Sending out friend invites. Waiting for a response. Scheduling a timeframe. Sending out game invites. Hopeing everyone is in agreement. Hoping everyone connection is good. etc etc.

Lazy is them not adding it in the game. And the excuses they make for it are just that....excuses.

I don't need to sign up to another damn website.

[Edited on 09.06.2012 7:00 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 6:58 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S
Yes I am too lazy, because the effort involved is stupid and retarded. There is a better way to do it that doesn't involve 3rd party websites. Signing up to that. Listing my information. Sending out friend invites. Waiting for a response. Scheduling a timeframe. Sending out game invites. Hopeing everyone is in agreement. Hoping everyone connection is good. etc etc.

Lazy is them not adding it in the game. And the excuses they make for it are just that....excuses.


What a piss poor excuse! The way is stupid and retarded are you 12? Your inability to put a very small effort forward is your own choice. If you dont want to have fun keep acting and thinking the way you do, because in the end the game wont change for you.

The day that you put that small effort forward is the day that you will have fun.

  • 09.06.2012 7:00 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

The day you people realize limiting customs to friends only is the day you will realize you've been holding this game back.

I don't know about you, but I like playing random people.
What you ask of me, is to make aquaintences, get familiar..etc. etc. etc. And play against those people all the time whenever I want customs.

THAT IS -blam!- BORING TO ME! I don't want to know you. You're more exciting to me as a random. GET IT?

I already have a friends list. You will not be included on it ever, because I don't really know you. I won't ever come to visit you or have bbq's with you... I don't need to know you.

Why do I have to get intimate with you people to play customs?

[Edited on 09.06.2012 7:05 PM PDT]

  • 09.06.2012 7:04 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S
The day you people realize limiting customs to friends only is the day you will realize you've been holding this game back.

I don't know about you, but I like playing random people.
What you ask of me, is to make aquaintences, get familiar..etc. etc. etc. And play against those people all the time whenever I want customs.

THAT IS -blam!- BORING TO ME! I don't want to know you. You're more exciting to me as a random. GET IT?


Invite randoms problem solved. The game wont change for you at all. You keep complaining that it isnt fun when you have the tools to make it fun. You honestly seem like the type of guy that purposely trys not to have fun so he can argue and ruin everybody else's time. Grow up and realize that if you keep thinking the way you do, you will be dissapointed with every game that comes out.

  • 09.06.2012 7:07 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S
Why do I have to get intimate with you people to play customs?


You dont find randoms, problem solved.

  • 09.06.2012 7:08 PM PDT