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Subject: Why there shouldnt be a map editor OR bots.

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

There are 1,000,001 threads about people wanting a map editor and bots; this thread is my explanation of WHY there should not be either. (yeah I know its just another thread about the same thing, but I wanted to try and make myself heard rather than posting this a few more thousand times)

1st and foremost; I would rather see Bungie spending more time making more MP maps, testing and fine tuning the game rather than trying to add more features that will prove useless. I would like to see wall passage glitches fixed, super bounces removed and whatever else they consider cheating or unsportsmanlike like.

I say useless because even "if" they added a map editor you could not use it for ranked games, there would be too many maps out there to download and save because everyone and their mothers would be making them, even if they could be used in un-ranked matchmaking not everyone would have these maps, it would just hinder the loading times and make delays longer. I think we should leave the map-making to the real pros at Bungie.

As for bots, this is really a huge waste of time, its obvious Halo 3 will have enough people online where they will not have to compensate for lack of players online. But the key issue is that people are complaining about a internet connection/broadband, well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360, the game or the live account, yes you will have to have a gold membership. So if you somehow have that but cannot access the internet or cannot afford the $20 a month DSL special stop eating out, get a part time job or find a way to make it work, but I am sorry the small percentage of you still on dial-up complaining her in the forums is not worth it.

I am a 29 year old father of three boys, My wife is going to school, I am the only one working and I still find a way to make it all work, so I imagine a kid in school with a ton of free time can as well. I don’t want to hear excuses of I live in a dorm or my parents won’t pay for it, well earn your keep kiddos.

Some people say Bots are good practice, and its easier to avoid unsportsmanlike like players, I think the 360 feedback system will be put into harder use when Halo 3 comes out and it wotn be as big of an issue as you are thinking. I have already seen drastic improvement in online play in other games already because everyone can see your records now. So it really wont be too hard to spot problem players to begin with.

I would love to hear more input on this, I am just hitting the tip of the iceberg here.

  • 06.22.2006 3:46 PM PDT
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thanx for saving my breath man...i 100% agree...

  • 06.22.2006 3:47 PM PDT
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I worked for my 360!

  • 06.22.2006 3:54 PM PDT
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Well the maps could be used at halo parties couldnt they. The maps I make could be used with the bots ha beat that.

  • 06.22.2006 4:01 PM PDT

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I just don't want to see maps that have red team spawn near 8 rocket launchers and blue spawn near magnums.

  • 06.22.2006 4:03 PM PDT

Posted by: the squee masta
I just don't want to see maps that have red team spawn near 8 rocket launchers and blue spawn near magnums.

agreed

  • 06.22.2006 4:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Apocalypse3210
Posted by: the squee masta
I just don't want to see maps that have red team spawn near 8 rocket launchers and blue spawn near magnums.

agreed


No just means blue teams gonna have to be damn good.

  • 06.22.2006 4:06 PM PDT

I agree. If it was a choice between more features, or gameplay so well-thought out and polished it made me weep, I know which one I'd go for.

  • 06.22.2006 4:07 PM PDT

Halo: Combat Evolved ultra fanboy.

I have broadband first off, and I agree with you.

I do not like your reasoning for no bots though. People in my area are only able to buy ONE type of high speed internet: Adelphia -blam!-ass cable. No DSL is available in my city (suburb of Cleveland) so internet is REALLY expensive, and my family can barely pay for it and my eductation (I have a job BTW). It is not fair to say that it is people's fault for not having High speed internet, but again, I do agree that there should be no bots, simply because you can still do system link games or the campaign for practice.

Oh, and the map maker would be cool as a download. That way they could make it after they ship the game (we do not lose features) and they make a little money when people buy it off of the marketplace.

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  • 06.22.2006 4:12 PM PDT

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Bots should only be in Survival mode, and a map editor could ONLY be utalized in Custom games. A map editor wil be great, Halo 3 will have like 2x as much people as halo 2 has online (guesstimate), so you will still always find a matchmaking game, even though some people will make kickass (and some not so kickass Warthog only) maps.

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  • 06.22.2006 4:21 PM PDT
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AMEN

  • 06.22.2006 4:23 PM PDT
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I totally agre with marsman on all of this. I would much rather have Bungie try and put an effort toward stoping cheaters than putting in new features like a map maker.

  • 06.22.2006 4:29 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

Yeah adelphia sucks, that is another reason we moved, our only other option was Verizon DSL which was pretty sparatic also.

So we moved to a place that has Time Warner cable.

I know its expensive, I live in SoCal, so trust me when I say I know things are expensive I do know.

I am also gald to see so many people agreeing. Hopefull (but doubtful) someone at bungie will see this.

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  • 06.22.2006 4:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Bots should only be in Survival mode, and a map editor could ONLY be utalized in Custom games. A map editor wil be great, Halo 3 will have like 2x as much people as halo 2 has online (guesstimate), so you will still always find a matchmaking game, even though some people will make kickass (and some not so kickass Warthog only) maps.


map editor would blow dick because not everyone has the map and that would just make loading times alot longer....take for example ummmmmm damn i forgot the game name...oooooooooo farcry instencts or predator i 4get which maybe both...but it took like wat 10 minutes for the game to startbecause everyone had to download the map b4 they played it

  • 06.22.2006 4:37 PM PDT
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I am glad someone said this for me, or else i would explode with rage, because i'm just a kid and i dont want to make it seem like i'm not working for my stuff, but i also think that if ur complaining about wanting bots and map editor, go see if u can find a place to buy timesplitters 3, they have it both, and if bungie did add map editor or bots, they would 1) not be implemented into live, and 2) you would not be able to set difficulty, they would all be on easy, because if u want them for practice, u must not be that good and 3) if u were making a map, u would only be able to desighn one side and the other would be almost 100 % simmetrical

  • 06.22.2006 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: UhOhOreo407
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Bots should only be in Survival mode, and a map editor could ONLY be utalized in Custom games. A map editor wil be great, Halo 3 will have like 2x as much people as halo 2 has online (guesstimate), so you will still always find a matchmaking game, even though some people will make kickass (and some not so kickass Warthog only) maps.


map editor would blow dick because not everyone has the map and that would just make loading times alot longer....take for example ummmmmm damn i forgot the game name...oooooooooo farcry instencts or predator i 4get which maybe both...but it took like wat 10 minutes for the game to startbecause everyone had to download the map b4 they played it

This isn't far cry, and we have matchmaking rather than optimatch (thank god!). No extra loading times, because the maps would only be in custom games, but we would still have like 20 Bungie maps if you don't feel like doing someone's custom map..

Jesus Christ kids, don't get so worked up about a great feature.

  • 06.22.2006 4:42 PM PDT
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*claps*

Thank you.

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  • 06.22.2006 4:43 PM PDT
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The bots wouldn't even take any extra work, just rip the ai files out of campaign and put them in a Spartan shell. Also, it would be nice for having friends over, you all could be on one team while the other is filled with bots. It won't be necessary to use them online, however.

  • 06.22.2006 4:44 PM PDT
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ok i agree with u on no map editor i hate them it would be -blam!- so on so forth BUT bots i would like them becus i dont have LIVE or good interent connection not becus i cant afford it heck i could buy probably around 10 xbox 360's without worrying about money but i live in the mid of no where were u cant get dsl and it SUX and i know a lot of peopel with the same problem so i wouldnt mind bots but plz no map editor

  • 06.22.2006 4:49 PM PDT
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First off I'll say that i don't have high-speed internet. This is not because i choose to it is merely becuase DSL is not available in my area and cable is just to expensive, and yes i know how to work for something because i bought my Xbox 360 by myself. Also, this year I have to start paying for my soccer which is about $1000. So i really don't like you saying people aren't willing to work for it. Sometimes it just isn't possible.

So saying that, I agree that a map editor isn't a good idea. I play Warcraft III and there are millions of different maps with millions of different versions of each of those maps, and by the time people download the maps they can't wait for the game to start and just leave making waiting times extremely long.

Now about bots, i think bots would be a good idea for people like me who enjoy the multiplayer experience but can't play on live. I wouldn't allow bots in online play, BUT for single player, or LAN parties with very few people, bots could really make the game a lot more enjoyable.

So in summary: map-maker is a bad idea, and bots are good but in single player and LAN parties only.
Modding and cheating at video games is -blam!-

  • 06.22.2006 4:53 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

I really wouldnt call it a great feature, there will be waaaaaaaay too many maps out there, really making it next to impossible to have them all to play games, you will have to wait and download a map to keep playing. That really isnt very fun.

I 100% believe it would be in Bungies best interest to keep the map making to themselves. And in our best interest to have the PRO'S making the maps as well.

Back to bots, if you were just fighting against the Marine AI's it wouldnt really be a challenge. I mean how often are they really of help to you? Granted they say funny things, but they wont cut it as AI enemies. Really please stop and think before you speak. That one was blatantly obvious.

master beef? LMFAO, you didnt read huh? I am 29 and have three kids, my oldest is going to be three next month. I think I am getting laid more than you can even dream about getting laid. And your statment is rather redundant, complaining about my complaining. You are not the brightest crayon in the box are you. You do know what a crayon is right? Or am I just speaking jibberish to you?

  • 06.22.2006 4:55 PM PDT
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So did I, and all summer for it and my ipod video. So All the spoiled little pricks whose mommy and daddy pay for all their entertainment need to shut up and get over the fact that they dont always get what they want. Halo 3 is gonna be good, Bungie can do whatever they want with it, im confident that the fact that they all went to college is really helping the situation, and the 5 year olds at home need to let them do what they do best. LITTLE KIDS: STOP PLAYING HALO. You midgets ruin well spent xbox live money by modding and being f-a-g-s. If you disagree with me, private message me, so i can laugh at your response. THats right, im talking to you little kid.

  • 06.22.2006 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: marsman0013
I really wouldnt call it a great feature, there will be waaaaaaaay too many maps out there, really making it next to impossible to have them all to play games, you will have to wait and download a map to keep playing. That really isnt very fun.

There won't be wayy to many maps, there will be the MLG crowd who will maybe memorize three of the Halo 3 maps and only play those, then the laid back gamers who will play plenty of Matchmaking..

You will ONLY need to download a map if your party leader (in a custom game) wants to do that map.

Or you could just leave, and play Matchmaking, or a custom.

  • 06.22.2006 4:58 PM PDT

Damn snipers!!!

I have now read the books...

your stupid makes my brain sad

ok...first you can avoid players on XBL with the 360
next...why if they put in a map maker and/or bots would that mean cheaters would run rampart?...cant they do both?
if you make a kewl map and your friends want to take some time to download it to play custom games, wouldnt that be a good thing for them?
why not make this game as flexible as possible for all players....not just what you think is worth the effort?

  • 06.22.2006 4:59 PM PDT