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Subject: Why there shouldnt be a map editor OR bots.

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

One point I really forgot to mention getting caught up in my rant is that the 360 is all about playing live, all games are going to be live enabled, the lan party thing is pretty much going the way of the dodo bird, the main focus is live, why else would MS be putting so much into the XBL arcade and downloads.

That in mind, why take a step backwards and make bots and MP maps, they want people to play online and have fun doing so. Not by complicating things and having too many maps.

In a business situation, you want to sell more units, XBLA would be another source of revenue, so why create bots where people could play offline and be content.

IF they do include a map editor maybe there should be a points charge to upload the map for use with other players, this would force people to not make a bunch of junk.

Maybe the maps should be reviewed (still costing a points fee) for approval.

But in reality it is not practical to do so, Far Cry and Time Splitters are perfect examples. I have not used bots on PDZ so I coulndt tell you there yet, and I doubt I will ever use the bots on PDZ either, not while there are people online. It just doesnt make sense.

Your best enemy is an unpredictable one. A human one, even if you are waaaay better or waaaay worse than them.

From the maps I have played with other people in FarCry I have left the games early because they sucked a lot. They were unbalanced and pretty flawed, very far from Kewl as you would say.

I am just an average gamer, but I love the cometitive nature of gamaing, I dont see how having a million crappy maps and maybe 100 good ones would benefit anyone at all.

I am still 100% dedicated to saying leave the map making to the pros, and if you dont like it then oh well. Halo 2 didnt have a map maker, and the cry babies that cried about that are now the ones crying and begging for one in Halo 3.

I just see it as a poor idea UNLESS it is highly regulated and enforced. Which would be very cost inifficent and not really worth the time, I would say instead of having aa team to support map checking, hire a team to keep making more maps.

  • 06.22.2006 5:11 PM PDT
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No map editor. almost every game that has a map editor also has every single server running a custom map. Im sick of joining a server (I wont name the game) and Dling a 40 MB file, then being told the server switched maps, and DLing another.
As for bots, yeah thats a good idea. I don't know how many times i've just wanted to jump into a game and play, but not with real people...because all of the immature ppl who are *sometimes* on XBL tend to REALLY get me mad...especially on a bad day.

  • 06.22.2006 5:12 PM PDT

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Why the hell would you want someone to "approve" the maps that would only be usable by you and your friends who agree to it in a custom game? You need to remember Far Cry doesn't have Matchmaking, it has Optimatch..Users create games, and everyone else joins.

Halo 3 will have Matchmaking, which is one of the things that made Halo 2 what it is..we will play all of Bungie's games in Matchmaking (and no custom maps will be available in there)

We will also be able to play a custom map in a custom game (just like we can play one of Bungie's maps)

Don't like the fact that you're friend might make you wait a minute or so? Leave, and play with another, or ask them to put it on one of bungie's maps. Either way - Stop being a whiny -blam!-.

  • 06.22.2006 5:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: marsman0013
As for bots, this is really a huge waste of time, its obvious Halo 3 will have enough people online where they will not have to compensate for lack of players online. But the key issue is that people are complaining about a internet connection/broadband, well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360, the game or the live account, yes you will have to have a gold membership. So if you somehow have that but cannot access the internet or cannot afford the $20 a month DSL special stop eating out, get a part time job or find a way to make it work, but I am sorry the small percentage of you still on dial-up complaining her in the forums is not worth it.


Wow this is such a stupid comment. What about people who live in rural areas and have no nearby high-speed connections? What about the person doesn't want XBL but still wants to see what multiplayer is like? What about the kid who's parents don't want to pay a monthly bill for internet? What about the kid who's family struggles to get by with bills. This is by far your stupidist sentence-"well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360". As a matter of fact I know a kid whos parents struggle to pay there bills, have only dial-up, basic cable, and still managed to buy him a basic 360 as a joint gift.



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the lan party thing is pretty much going the way of the dodo bird. Ok, see you're forgetting that some people have these things called friends. These "friends" are usually other human beings that the human in question enjoys seeing and doing things with in person. You might have trouble grasping this concept, but I assure you that sometimes people like getting together with other people, even if it's just to play video games.

Aaand you still never gave a reason why you can't basically just rip the campaign ai and put it into the MP engine. I've seen a Halo PC mod with marine ai placed into spartan bodies, and although they were a bit robotic, they were pretty damn fun to play with.

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Posted by: marsman0013
As for bots, this is really a huge waste of time, its obvious Halo 3 will have enough people online where they will not have to compensate for lack of players online. But the key issue is that people are complaining about a internet connection/broadband, well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360, the game or the live account, yes you will have to have a gold membership. So if you somehow have that but cannot access the internet or cannot afford the $20 a month DSL special stop eating out, get a part time job or find a way to make it work, but I am sorry the small percentage of you still on dial-up complaining her in the forums is not worth it.


Wow this is such a stupid comment. What about people who live in rural areas and have no nearby high-speed connections? What about the person doesn't want XBL but still wants to see what multiplayer is like? What about the kid who's parents don't want to pay a monthly bill for internet? What about the kid who's family struggles to get by with bills. This is by far your stupidist sentence-"well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360". As a matter of fact I know a kid whos parents struggle to pay there bills, have only dial-up, basic cable, and still managed to buy him a basic 360 as a joint gift.

It doesn't even have to be a "struggle". An upper middle class kid that I know lives in an area that cannot get DSL, and his parents don't have cable TV for moral reasons (Unplug the drug, people.) So, he's screwed. He's also not the only one without a TV for that same reason either.

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  • 06.22.2006 6:19 PM PDT
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first i think bots are great u can train outside xbox live

as for the map editor i would like to see it is custom games i don't care if they have the enemy with like rockets + tank, it would be more fun

bungie should put in more custom game options in fact make it so u can control the whole game like spawning with a scarb gun but only in custom games and outside xbox

  • 06.22.2006 6:30 PM PDT

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I agree 100%.

Neither should be put in.

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Posted by: Del Beano
the lan party thing is pretty much going the way of the dodo bird. Ok, see you're forgetting that some people have these things called friends. These "friends" are usually other human beings that the human in question enjoys seeing and doing things with in person. You might have trouble grasping this concept, but I assure you that sometimes people like getting together with other people, even if it's just to play video games.

Couldn't've said it any better myself. But he's probably too busy changing his babies' diapers, and "getting laid way more than us kids" by his 40-year old wife.

=o

A Map editor will be a great feature to implement to keep the game [even] fresher [than it will be at launch], and bots would be a great feature, especially for people who film. How cool would you, and three friends holding up in the new Blood Gulch against 30 Elites and 60 Grunts be?

Survival Mode should also be implemented.

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Posted by: Del Beano
the lan party thing is pretty much going the way of the dodo bird. Ok, see you're forgetting that some people have these things called friends. These "friends" are usually other human beings that the human in question enjoys seeing and doing things with in person. You might have trouble grasping this concept, but I assure you that sometimes people like getting together with other people, even if it's just to play video games.

Couldn't've said it any better myself. But he's probably too busy changing his babies' diapers, and "getting laid way more than us kids" by his 40-year old wife.

=o

A Map editor will be a great feature to implement to keep the game [even] fresher [than it will be at launch], and bots would be a great feature, especially for people who film. How cool would you, and three friends holding up in the new Blood Gulch against 30 Elites and 60 Grunts be?

Survival Mode should also be implemented.


Rofl! I nominate that for video clip of the year!

  • 06.22.2006 7:16 PM PDT

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I don't think it would be to hard to implement a map creator, seeing as how they are adding one for Halo 2 Windows Vista.

I think they should include this as an option because it would extend the life of the game.

Of course your going to run into ass clowns who don't know how to make a map, but what game with a map creator do you NOT run into these type of people.

Get over it. I bet they put it in.

As for bots, i don't think Halo 3 will have bots.

  • 06.22.2006 7:23 PM PDT
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i really dont feel like reading all of this cus im to lazy but i agree i guess

  • 06.22.2006 7:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: geyah ho
i hope half of that stuff in that video was not real. thats cruel

The one with the two chicks is funny lol

Then the guy..and the tank.

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  • 06.22.2006 7:33 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

LOL ok lemme say I am 29 and my wife is 24, I am not in a Rural area check my profile I live in Redondo Beach, Ca.

And if you live in a rural area and cannot get broadband...Well move.

I was in an area that was serviced by adelphia which was HORRIBLE, I move to an area serviced by time warner.

LOL you really cannot come up with an excuse unless you are under 18, and even then I have one. Rated M for mature.

Geyah ho has it right, before XBL (or at least before I had XBL) I used to play Halo LAN's and Tie Splitters with BOTS, and I QUICKLY got sick of the bots, I knew the spawn ins and routes they would take, what weapon they would have etc etc. No challenge.

Sure Bungie could probably make great bots, but why? for the 1% of the people that buy the game that dont have a broadband connection or XBL?

Yeah it sounds harsh if you are on the short end of the stick, but just because you are stuck playing games by yourself doesnt mean that is what the Majority of the gaming community wants. Its rather selfish and self centered to think bungie will cater to your wants and cries.

Plain and simple they didnt have thoes features in the first two games, and it DID NOT impact sales, so why add them now, give the larger community what they are asking for, MORE MAPS!

That is and has been my point all along forgo these features for more maps.

Sorry if you dont agree cause you dont like it BUT it is my opinion and stance.

Wether or not bungie adds these things is UP TO THEM. I could be wrong for all I know, but trying to convince me I am wrong because you dont have a 360, broadband or cannot affodsomething REALLY ISNT MY PROBLEM, in my opinion you are the one lacking and behind the times, improve your situation.

My nices and nephews are only 9-15 they saved up and bought thier own 360's, they have chores to support the cost for thier broadband connections, granted they dont have cable and they are paying for a slower DSL service cause its only 20 a month but they do it. They even save up for thier own games, they babysit and mow lawns for what they have. SO your cries mean NOTHING to me. If you dont like your situation FIX IT.

You cannot slam bungie for not hearing your cries and complaints, you have the option to improve your situation. The only person you can blame is yourself.

  • 06.22.2006 7:36 PM PDT
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Look the fact is that most people who will buy Halo 3 WILL have XBL, but there are a lot of people who do not have XBL for their own reasons. Whether it be them just not liking XBL or not being able to get a connection doesn't matter. What matters is that there will be a lot of people who will buy the game who do not have XBL, just like *gasp* there are lots of people who own Halo 2 and even visit these forums daily who don't have XBL.

You say its boring and predictible but thats YOUR OPINION. I personally don't think bots will make it to H3 but that doesn't mean I don't want them to be in it. Oh and M for Mature means absolutely nothing seeing as how its perfectly legal for a child to buy any M game if there parents are with them when they purchase it.

P.S. You know that vid made you laugh, admit it hehe :p I also never said you lived in a rural area so don't know where you got that.

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  • 06.22.2006 7:45 PM PDT
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i got my 360 for free, my internet is free because i work at an internet company, and my girlfriend bought me my live account...LOL OWNED!!

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Posted by: marsman0013
As for bots, this is really a huge waste of time, its obvious Halo 3 will have enough people online where they will not have to compensate for lack of players online. But the key issue is that people are complaining about a internet connection/broadband, well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360, the game or the live account, yes you will have to have a gold membership. So if you somehow have that but cannot access the internet or cannot afford the $20 a month DSL special stop eating out, get a part time job or find a way to make it work, but I am sorry the small percentage of you still on dial-up complaining her in the forums is not worth it.



You obviously don't play at 5 o'clock in teh morning.

  • 06.22.2006 7:52 PM PDT
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map editor- no good, completely agree with everything marsman said about them
bots- not a bad idea, wouldnt mind some

  • 06.22.2006 7:52 PM PDT
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I Want bots but keep them offline , and i also want a map ediotor

  • 06.22.2006 8:03 PM PDT

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Map editor should be allowed but only for customs with friends FTW.

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ok i agree with u on no map editor i hate them it would be -blam!- so on so forth BUT bots i would like them becus i dont have LIVE or good interent connection not becus i cant afford it heck i could buy probably around 10 xbox 360's without worrying about money but i live in the mid of no where were u cant get dsl and it SUX and i know a lot of peopel with the same problem so i wouldnt mind bots but plz no map editor
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  • 06.22.2006 8:48 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

Actually the only time I do play is when the boys are asleep at night so usually 9pm pst til whenever, sometime I will play all night so Yeah I have played at 5am. Its not a problem. There are always a lot of people on, after all it is still the #1 game on XBL, if you have read Major Nelsons blogs he says it still beats out the 360 games.

Chances are if you are here complaining you have broadband, if not then dialup if its dialup shell out the extra 10 bucks and get DSL. Worst case look into HUGHESNET a satalite provider, you will have crappy altency issues but at least you can play live.

There are options, just cause you dont like them or cannot afford them is not bungies problerm to make bots for you. Make do or fix it yourself.

And the video was funny the first time I saw that over a year ago. :P

  • 06.22.2006 8:55 PM PDT

I ALWAYS give bots bad feedback.

  • 06.22.2006 9:00 PM PDT