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Subject: Why there shouldnt be a map editor OR bots.

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

OOOOH what a comeback, I have a 360, BFD. You spent all your money on a 360 and now you are broke. And you still cannot contribute properly, you are going to sit on the forums using your dial up connection crying for a want of bots cause you dont have any money to play on XBL and dont have any friends to LAN with, boo hoo hoo.

So you think owning a 360 makes you special? If you want to get into a measuring contest, then I have 2 360 so my wife and I can play on our seperate HDTV's. SO we dont have to play anything spit screen or the same game if we want to play something else.

Bots are a old fashined idea, they were implemented because they were trying to give console owner a sense of playing online like the PC users. The bots are weak and easily beat. Not very hard or rewarding, if you are claming to use them as practice then play other people unranked. If you dont like the way people play then make some friends to play with, if you cannot afford a connection or dont have access to one, fix your problem, its VERY selfish to demmand something when its not really thier problem to fix.

Grow up kiddo.

  • 06.23.2006 4:14 PM PDT
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lol what kind of person would move just to get a better internet connection. like i can see if you work in the field and need a good internet connection but just to play some more games i dont think so.

  • 06.23.2006 4:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: marsman0013
There are 1,000,001 threads about people wanting a map editor and bots; this thread is my explanation of WHY there should not be either. (yeah I know its just another thread about the same thing, but I wanted to try and make myself heard rather than posting this a few more thousand times)

1st and foremost; I would rather see Bungie spending more time making more MP maps, testing and fine tuning the game rather than trying to add more features that will prove useless. I would like to see wall passage glitches fixed, super bounces removed and whatever else they consider cheating or unsportsmanlike like.

I say useless because even "if" they added a map editor you could not use it for ranked games, there would be too many maps out there to download and save because everyone and their mothers would be making them, even if they could be used in un-ranked matchmaking not everyone would have these maps, it would just hinder the loading times and make delays longer. I think we should leave the map-making to the real pros at Bungie.

As for bots, this is really a huge waste of time, its obvious Halo 3 will have enough people online where they will not have to compensate for lack of players online. But the key issue is that people are complaining about a internet connection/broadband, well if you don’t have a good or any connection the chances are you cannot afford the 360, the game or the live account, yes you will have to have a gold membership. So if you somehow have that but cannot access the internet or cannot afford the $20 a month DSL special stop eating out, get a part time job or find a way to make it work, but I am sorry the small percentage of you still on dial-up complaining her in the forums is not worth it.

I am a 29 year old father of three boys, My wife is going to school, I am the only one working and I still find a way to make it all work, so I imagine a kid in school with a ton of free time can as well. I don’t want to hear excuses of I live in a dorm or my parents won’t pay for it, well earn your keep kiddos.

Some people say Bots are good practice, and its easier to avoid unsportsmanlike like players, I think the 360 feedback system will be put into harder use when Halo 3 comes out and it wotn be as big of an issue as you are thinking. I have already seen drastic improvement in online play in other games already because everyone can see your records now. So it really wont be too hard to spot problem players to begin with.

I would love to hear more input on this, I am just hitting the tip of the iceberg here.


Most people that want bots are the ones that don't get high-speed internet service in their area. Bots would be used off-line play. I agree with everything you said,exept bots. Don't like them? Don't put them in your game,but Bungie should make them for people who don't have Live but want to get the most out of Halo 3 that they can.

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Posted by: marsman0013
OOOOH what a comeback, I have a 360, BFD. You spent all your money on a 360 and now you are broke. And you still cannot contribute properly, you are going to sit on the forums using your dial up connection crying for a want of bots cause you dont have any money to play on XBL and dont have any friends to LAN with, boo hoo hoo.

So you think owning a 360 makes you special? If you want to get into a measuring contest, then I have 2 360 so my wife and I can play on our seperate HDTV's. SO we dont have to play anything spit screen or the same game if we want to play something else.

Bots are a old fashined idea, they were implemented because they were trying to give console owner a sense of playing online like the PC users. The bots are weak and easily beat. Not very hard or rewarding, if you are claming to use them as practice then play other people unranked. If you dont like the way people play then make some friends to play with, if you cannot afford a connection or dont have access to one, fix your problem, its VERY selfish to demmand something when its not really thier problem to fix.

Grow up kiddo.


I just lost all respect for you. You are the selfish one. "Don't whine about not having bots,go get some friends to play with...". Why do you care if there are bots? If you have XBL bots wouldnt bother you anyway. You are saying he's selfish when you are telling people they should adjust their lives just because you don't want bots.

EDIT: I got more.

Bungie should pay attention to the players without XBL,the number of players without it is way bigger than the number of players with it. It only make sense to make bots.

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 4:32 PM PDT
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ok i agree with wat ur sayin about the mad editor ideas but about the bots sum yea u can get jobs and work money into the xbox live experience but a lot of ppl have to spend money on more than games...food,family,place to live,bills(water,electric,gas),taxes,and many more depending on your situation.

and those ppl want to be able to enjoy multiplayer now tell how r they supposed to pay for xbox live a decent internet service and hold a credit card if they have low income and got to pay for all this

  • 06.23.2006 4:36 PM PDT
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MAp editor would be awesome and if you say "it would take to long to load" your saying 5 minutes(or less) is to long to wait for a map(that we will need because face it everyone got sick of the halo 2 maps and its going to happen for halo 3) then your kinda stupid...no one if forcing you to play these it would be the same game but you have the option of getting new maps whenever you want.....WHY IS THAT BAD!....Oh and bots would be sweet.

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Posted by: Frankie
Halo 3 is well underway, with a beautiful new game engine, innovative new multiplayer features and lots of cool secrets you'll only discover after the game ships in 2007.

  • 06.23.2006 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: stankewich89
MAp editor would be awesome and if you say "it would take to long to load" your saying 5 minutes(or less) is to long to wait for a map(that we will need because face it everyone got sick of the halo 2 maps and its going to happen for halo 3) then your kinda stupid...no one if forcing you to play these it would be the same game but you have the option of getting new maps whenever you want.....WHY IS THAT BAD!....Oh and bots would be sweet.

Dude,think about it. Do you really want everyone going "Play my version of the map!" "No mine!"...It would be kinda lame having a million different versions of all the maps. Most of them would probably suck too. I think Bungie should keep making Halo 3 maps as DL content after they release the game to keep us happy,rather than having a bunch of kids on XBL reamaking maps.

  • 06.23.2006 5:02 PM PDT
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Map editor, is really really lame, i dont really care about bots, if bungie thinks its a good idea then i am all for it

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Posted by: simpsons700
Map editor, is really really lame, i dont really care about bots, if bungie thinks its a good idea then i am all for it


And so the blind march towards theyre death

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Posted by: I KILL GRUNTS

Dude,think about it. Do you really want everyone going "Play my version of the map!" "No mine!"...It would be kinda lame having a million different versions of all the maps. Most of them would probably suck too. I think Bungie should keep making Halo 3 maps as DL content after they release the game to keep us happy,rather than having a bunch of kids on XBL reamaking maps.


Your missing the point all together. Eitheir your not reading what other people post. Or you have low reading comprehension levels. The point isnt remaking the maps already there, its making completly new maps all together. And its not like you would be able to go into matchmaking and have no choice but to download the map from that person. they would only be availiable in custom games. So lets say your friend makes a map and wants to play it with you.. You download it from him and play a CUSTOM game.


Besides if you wouldnt want to download anyones map you wouldnt have to its just there in case you wanna share with your friends in a CUSTOM game...

... stupid ass

  • 06.23.2006 5:21 PM PDT
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I agree 110%... with the topic starter.

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  • 06.23.2006 5:29 PM PDT

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

The one thing I have noticed is that the Bot lovers, or as I will call from this day forwards robo-blam!-s, cannot give me a good enough reason to have them other than the fact they dont have a connection, or dont have xbl for whatever reason, I am not going into the fact they dont have friends to play with.

I can put forth a solid argument why not to, and I all get met with are lame quips and shotty complaints I have repeatedly shot into the ground.

Basically is has been broken down to the have nots crying Bungie dont foget the people who are too stupid to fix things for themselves.

As for the map editor, it could have some pros for custom games only, but my point is still the same, I would rahter have the map designers make more maps than tweaking and making an editor.

I would like to see more MP maps Vs. less because they are makeing a map editor or bots. Though I really think bots are a terrible idea.

Really unless someone can say something intelligent and put forth a good arguement as to why they should be added, you are just making yourself look dumb.

  • 06.23.2006 5:38 PM PDT
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people just upload original maps, change the look a little bit and smack their name on it, a game called soldat has editors, and people steal maps from someone every minute

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Posted by: marsman0013
Chances are if you are here complaining you have broadband, if not then dialup if its dialup shell out the extra 10 bucks and get DSL. Worst case look into HUGHESNET a satalite provider, you will have crappy altency issues but at least you can play live.


Just for the record its very expensive, seeing as how you have to buy the gear and then pay for coverage. Not to mention you need a sat already to use it.

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Why not have bots? Give us a good reason for that. So far all you've said is it will take away from the development of other aspects on Halo 3. But that isn't a very good reason considering we don't know how long Bungie has been working on Halo 3. Adding bots isn't going to make multiplayer any worse it is only going to make it better. Who gives a -blam!- if you have Xbox Live, mabie some of us still want to play against bots, especially when Xbox Live is full of Modders and Hackers, mabie you are one of them and you don't want to loose people to hack against because you fear they will play against bots more then they play against you. Such a loss. Fortunately for us the good guys, the majority of people want bots and Bungie knows that.

  • 06.23.2006 6:02 PM PDT

(10:19:49 PM) Scruss: oh and pezza, i saw what you did to that cat
(10:20:17 PM) Pezza: You were the one with the video camera breathing heavily. Of course you saw.

No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need either of those if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

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Posted by: marsman0013
OOOOH what a comeback, I have a 360, BFD. You spent all your money on a 360 and now you are broke. And you still cannot contribute properly, you are going to sit on the forums using your dial up connection crying for a want of bots cause you dont have any money to play on XBL and dont have any friends to LAN with, boo hoo hoo.

So you think owning a 360 makes you special? If you want to get into a measuring contest, then I have 2 360 so my wife and I can play on our seperate HDTV's. SO we dont have to play anything spit screen or the same game if we want to play something else.

Bots are a old fashined idea, they were implemented because they were trying to give console owner a sense of playing online like the PC users. The bots are weak and easily beat. Not very hard or rewarding, if you are claming to use them as practice then play other people unranked. If you dont like the way people play then make some friends to play with, if you cannot afford a connection or dont have access to one, fix your problem, its VERY selfish to demmand something when its not really thier problem to fix.

Grow up kiddo.



Oh yes and that right there sounds sooo grown-up. You say you've shot down all the arguements against you. The only thing you say to people who want bots is your poor and have no friends....Hm I have XBL, plenty of friends on my block and still want bots.

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Posted by: Waterwarrior_
[quote]Posted by: Seven is Darker
No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.



Destroys the concept of multiplayer? WTF? They would be OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL means you would not have to play with them if you don't want to. That also means there is no real reason to be against them seeing as how if you don't want to play with them you don't have to.

  • 06.23.2006 6:13 PM PDT
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On another point, in lots of your arguements you say bots offer no challenge, blah blah blah etc. Guess what your facing in single player....dundundunduuuun....bots. You can't possibly tell me that the AI used on your enemies there wasn't better then the AI used in other games that incorporate bots into multiplayer.

What does this mean? This means that if bots would be in H3 then they would run off of an AI system that is the best in any shooter so far. Your complaint about bots using same routes and weapons would be negated since H2 bots (and of course H3) randomize movements. Not to mention if you could give them weapons in multiplayer like you could in singleplayer.

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 6:16 PM PDT