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I don't care too much for the map maker idea, but there's really no excuse for Halo 3 not having bots, especially when older Xbox games with a much smaller budget than the Halo games already have them.

Of course, no bots would force people to find a way to get some sort of broadband cable service so they can have Xbox Live, which equals more money for Microsoft.

So, no, I don't think there will be bots in Halo 3, I'm afraid.

  • 06.23.2006 6:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: jwg31
I don't care too much for the map maker idea, but there's really no excuse for Halo 3 not having bots, especially when older Xbox games with a much smaller budget than the Halo games already have them.

Of course, no bots would force people to find a way to get some sort of broadband cable service so they can have Xbox Live, which equals more money for Microsoft.

So, no, I don't think there will be bots in Halo 3, I'm afraid.


The map editor is the one thing I sort of agree with the author in. It sounds and works great on PC's but I just don't see an effective way to bring an editor onto a console.

  • 06.23.2006 6:30 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Seven is Darker
No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.



Destroys the concept of multiplayer? WTF? They would be OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL means you would not have to play with them if you don't want to. That also means there is no real reason to be against them seeing as how if you don't want to play with them you don't have to.


Yes it would, even as an option, its just like saying yeah we should have an orbital strike, be able to carry more then 2 weapons without dual wielding,etc. It would destroy the way that both Halo and Halo 2's mutliplayer experience were set up. If you want bots go play Campaign, their is no need for them in mutliplayer, even as an option.

You obviously havent thought this through, even if Bungie did get bot into mutliplayer, what would you do? Do you know how hard it would be to code them correctly? What would you do if they just walked over any weapon and picked it up. It would be insanely hard for them to develop bots and in the end it would be pointless.

The idea of mutliplayer is to have mutliple human players, what does mutliplayer become when there are no human players?

No there is not need for bots. If you don't have live, if you don't have friends, then don't play mutliplayer.

It should be quite easily to understand why there should be no map maker,a map maker would be out of place in Halo. Yes other games have used the map maker ability quite well, but Halo is not one of those other games and it would be far to difficult to be able to play with your friends online making your own maps. Loading, downloading, etc would be difficult with a map maker, we should leave it to the PC version if one is made.

Yes they could make a map maker, and put bots in mutliplayer, but why should they?

They are both out of place in Halo, i don't think they should just be brought in the last installment of the series because no Halo game before it has had any bots or a map maker.



-Anyone who has disagreed with me has been offically owned from this point on-

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 6:30 PM PDT
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Bots = Yes
Map Creator = Yes

Bots:
I live in a rural area with no broadband, but i have plenty of friends. If I get home from school and feel like playing Halo with bots, why the hell not. It's not like their mandatory. They'd be optional and they'd skyrocket the replayability of the game. Even when I'm playing with my friends, we can still get bored of playing against eachother after a few hours. So why the hell shouldn't we be able to add a dozen or more bots to the game, to spice things up a bit.
Even If I did have XBL why shouldn't I be able to play against a bunch of bots offline, just for some instant satisfaction.
Also, some of you argue that the bots will be way too easy or way too hard; I've played tons of games where the difficulty can be set to "just right", and even if you still can't find that little compfort zone, then take the bots out of the match and stop whining.
Finally, some of you say that adding this feature will take away from other aspects of the game. If Bungie was that spread out do you think they'd be able to make something as awesome as Halo. WTF!
P.S. Bots should not be allowed in matchmaking, unless it's a certain type of matchmaking that bungie has made specifically for that feature.

Map Creator:
I've used a map maker in other games, such as Far Cry and have spent hours making the map of my dreams, or just some silly map for some quick fun, but none the less, it's great.
Creating Maps alone can be fun and occupy hours of time, and being able to download maps that other people have made is amazing, because some people can make truly remarkable maps, as for the people that create sucky maps, then don't download them, there problem solved. Maps that people like will keep being downloaded, making it popular and at the top of the list of maps available to download. And the sucky ones will be nearly impossible to find. However, Custom Maps's should only be allowed in Custom Games and not in matchmaking because that would be too hectic.
But I am a big fan of Map Makers and would add hours of gameplay just: making maps, trying them out ,and goofing off on the the map we just got done creating.

Conclusion:
If you don't like these features, then don't use them, but as for me and thousands of other Halo fans, WHY THE HELL NOT!!!!!!*********


[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 6:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colt4cm
Conclusion:
If you don't like these features, then don't use them, but as for me and thousands of other Halo fans, WHY THE HELL NOT!!!!!!*********


Why the hell donn't they put in a shotgun that shoots rockets, why don't they make a gun that looks like a green apple! Why the hell not? Because this is Halo, this isn't Farcry, this isnt Timesplitters, this is a completely different game. If you really wanted those things that other games have then go play those other games. This is Halo, this i not "some other game".

  • 06.23.2006 6:52 PM PDT
Subject: Why there shouldnt be a map editor OR bots.
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The fact that they would be optional is what keeps it from ruining multiplayer. What your saying is that an option that in your eyes most people won't use anyway ruins multiplayer. I just don't see how having an option to do anything, whether it be bots or something else ruins your multiplayer experience if you never plan on using them.

Actually I do know the amount of work that would have to go into them and I do know that it would take TONS of work to pull it off correctly. As far as the weapons go having the option to trade with them like in single-player lets you deal with that.

Also who says they are out of place just because they haven't been incorporated before?

As far as the map editor I have no arguements there.

  • 06.23.2006 6:52 PM PDT

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Actually, for get i said anything, argue this point across is pointless. What ever Bungie puts in the game will be what happens. If they do put in bots, map maker, etc then fine no matter how much i doubt it at this moment in time. I still don't believe they should or will but that is obivously up to them to decide not us.

  • 06.23.2006 6:55 PM PDT

I think a map editor would be a great addition, but only for off-line single Xbox use. Don't even attempt to play it online. Lan wouldn't be to hard if you transfer the map file to all the Xbox's playing. But Live=NO.

I don't care at all about bots.

  • 06.23.2006 6:56 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Seven is Darker
No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.



Destroys the concept of multiplayer? WTF? They would be OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL means you would not have to play with them if you don't want to. That also means there is no real reason to be against them seeing as how if you don't want to play with them you don't have to.


Yes it would, even as an option, its just like saying yeah we should have an orbital strike, be able to carry more then 2 weapons without dual wielding,etc. It would destroy the way that both Halo and Halo 2's mutliplayer experience were set up. If you want bots go play Campaign, their is no need for them in mutliplayer, even as an option.

You obviously havent thought this through, even if Bungie did get bot into mutliplayer, what would you do? Do you know how hard it would be to code them correctly? What would you do if they just walked over any weapon and picked it up. It would be insanely hard for them to develop bots and in the end it would be pointless.

The idea of mutliplayer is to have mutliple human players, what does mutliplayer become when there are no human players?

No there is not need for bots. If you don't have live, if you don't have friends, then don't play mutliplayer.

It should be quite easily to understand why there should be no map maker,a map maker would be out of place in Halo. Yes other games have used the map maker ability quite well, but Halo is not one of those other games and it would be far to difficult to be able to play with your friends online making your own maps. Loading, downloading, etc would be difficult with a map maker, we should leave it to the PC version if one is made.

Yes they could make a map maker, and put bots in mutliplayer, but why should they?

They are both out of place in Halo, i don't think they should just be brought in the last installment of the series because no Halo game before it has had any bots or a map maker.


Why shouldn't they? Just because you don't want them in there? Not a good reason...people that want bots doesn't mean that they don't have live or friends, bots are pretty fun, but so far I have yet failed to see a good point...


The point is, Halo is becoming more of a jump on series, those that had never even been to this website before (possibly such as yourself) just randomly join as they hear that the next game in the series has just been announced, and then all of a sudden its all about what they think they want in the game.

Halo is Halo, just because other games have aspects that you think should be added doesnt mean they should be added, for the main reason that it just isnt Halo to have a map maker or bots, even if you think it would be cool because other games had them.

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Exactly. If people want bots or a mapmaker in Halo, then why shouldn't we be able to have it. We're not talking about putting flying pigs, or smg wielding kittens int he game, we're talking about that a feature that has been succesful and awesome in past games, so why shouldn't it be a part of Halo, when it can only make Halo better

  • 06.23.2006 7:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colt4cm
Exactly. If people want bots or a mapmaker in Halo, then why shouldn't we be able to have it. We're not talking about putting flying pigs, or smg wielding kittens int he game, we're talking about that a feature that has been succesful and awesome in past games, so why shouldn't it be a part of Halo, when it can only make Halo better


Past games, all of which do not include Halo. That is excatly why i feel that they should NOT have either in Halo 3.

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[quote]Posted by: Seven is Darker
No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.



Destroys the concept of multiplayer? WTF? They would be OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL means you would not have to play with them if you don't want to. That also means there is no real reason to be against them seeing as how if you don't want to play with them you don't have to.


Yes it would, even as an option, its just like saying yeah we should have an orbital strike, be able to carry more then 2 weapons without dual wielding,etc. It would destroy the way that both Halo and Halo 2's mutliplayer experience were set up. If you want bots go play Campaign, their is no need for them in mutliplayer, even as an option.

You obviously havent thought this through, even if Bungie did get bot into mutliplayer, what would you do? Do you know how hard it would be to code them correctly? What would you do if they just walked over any weapon and picked it up. It would be insanely hard for them to develop bots and in the end it would be pointless.

The idea of mutliplayer is to have mutliple human players, what does mutliplayer become when there are no human players?

No there is not need for bots. If you don't have live, if you don't have friends, then don't play mutliplayer.

It should be quite easily to understand why there should be no map maker,a map maker would be out of place in Halo. Yes other games have used the map maker ability quite well, but Halo is not one of those other games and it would be far to difficult to be able to play with your friends online making your own maps. Loading, downloading, etc would be difficult with a map maker, we should leave it to the PC version if one is made.

Yes they could make a map maker, and put bots in mutliplayer, but why should they?

They are both out of place in Halo, i don't think they should just be brought in the last installment of the series because no Halo game before it has had any bots or a map maker.


Why shouldn't they? Just because you don't want them in there? Not a good reason...people that want bots doesn't mean that they don't have live or friends, bots are pretty fun, but so far I have yet failed to see a good point...


The point is, Halo is becoming more of a jump on series, those that had never even been to this website before (possibly such as yourself) just randomly join as they hear that the next game in the series has just been announced, and then all of a sudden its all about what they think they want in the game.

Halo is Halo, just because other games have aspects that you think should be added doesnt mean they should be added, for the main reason that it just isnt Halo to have a map maker or bots, even if you think it would be cool because other games had them.


Actually I am a much older member than you...yes I am Waterwarrior_, the reason I had to do another account is because I have another e-mail and I decided to put the new one but I messed up seeing as people not think that I am a new member anyways, I probably know Halo more than you I have been here longer I know the ropes alot more than [i]you[/] why? The reason is because I know how Halo is Halo but that doesn't mean it can't be changed, believe me the bots would probably not take away the Halo feel of the game, alot of people said that about the battle rifle and being able to be an elite in Halo2, but alot of people like it and are now into the Halo worlds, the truth is change is good...and don't try and patronize me by saying I am new to these forums and go with what everybody else wants I am one of the oldest member in these forums, which doesn't mean I command more respect, but certainly I don't deserve insults nor does anybody else...also why does Halo2 have live huh? Because everybody wanted the Halo2 to have live(or mostly), and I would say that maybe over 70% of the people want bots, that doesn't mean bungie should include bots...but I know it wouldn't hurt...

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

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Posted by: Seven is Darker
Posted by: Colt4cm
Exactly. If people want bots or a mapmaker in Halo, then why shouldn't we be able to have it. We're not talking about putting flying pigs, or smg wielding kittens int he game, we're talking about that a feature that has been succesful and awesome in past games, so why shouldn't it be a part of Halo, when it can only make Halo better


Past games, all of which do not include Halo. That is excatly why i feel that they should NOT have either in Halo 3.


Then to that logic we shouldnt have aliens, guns, soldiers, or anything else seeing as how all those are in other games not including Halo.

  • 06.23.2006 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seven is Darker
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Posted by: Seven is Darker
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Posted by: Waterwarrior_
[quote]Posted by: Seven is Darker
No need for Bots in Multiplayer: I'm assuming you have friends, and have a life outside of Halo

No need for Map editor: Slow loading times, too many custom maps made by people etc.

We really don't need if you think about it. Both of them really destroy the concept of multiplayer that Bungie has had in place for 6 years.



Destroys the concept of multiplayer? WTF? They would be OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL means you would not have to play with them if you don't want to. That also means there is no real reason to be against them seeing as how if you don't want to play with them you don't have to.


Yes it would, even as an option, its just like saying yeah we should have an orbital strike, be able to carry more then 2 weapons without dual wielding,etc. It would destroy the way that both Halo and Halo 2's mutliplayer experience were set up. If you want bots go play Campaign, their is no need for them in mutliplayer, even as an option.

You obviously havent thought this through, even if Bungie did get bot into mutliplayer, what would you do? Do you know how hard it would be to code them correctly? What would you do if they just walked over any weapon and picked it up. It would be insanely hard for them to develop bots and in the end it would be pointless.

The idea of mutliplayer is to have mutliple human players, what does mutliplayer become when there are no human players?

No there is not need for bots. If you don't have live, if you don't have friends, then don't play mutliplayer.

It should be quite easily to understand why there should be no map maker,a map maker would be out of place in Halo. Yes other games have used the map maker ability quite well, but Halo is not one of those other games and it would be far to difficult to be able to play with your friends online making your own maps. Loading, downloading, etc would be difficult with a map maker, we should leave it to the PC version if one is made.

Yes they could make a map maker, and put bots in mutliplayer, but why should they?

They are both out of place in Halo, i don't think they should just be brought in the last installment of the series because no Halo game before it has had any bots or a map maker.


Why shouldn't they? Just because you don't want them in there? Not a good reason...people that want bots doesn't mean that they don't have live or friends, bots are pretty fun, but so far I have yet failed to see a good point...


The point is, Halo is becoming more of a jump on series, those that had never even been to this website before (possibly such as yourself) just randomly join as they hear that the next game in the series has just been announced, and then all of a sudden its all about what they think they want in the game.

Halo is Halo, just because other games have aspects that you think should be added doesnt mean they should be added, for the main reason that it just isnt Halo to have a map maker or bots, even if you think it would be cool because other games had them.


Actually I am a much older member than you...yes I am Waterwarrior_, the reason I had to do another account is because I have another e-mail and I decided to put the new one but I messed up seeing as people not think that I am a new member anyways, I probably know Halo more than you I have been here longer I know the ropes alot more than [i]you[/] why? The reason is because I know how Halo is Halo but that doesn't mean it can't be changed, believe me the bots would probably not take away the Halo feel of the game, alot of people said that about the battle rifle and being able to be an elite in Halo2, but alot of people like it and are now into the Halo worlds, the truth is change is good...and don't try and patronize me by saying I am new to these forums and go with what everybody else wants I am one of the oldest member in these forums, which doesn't mean I command more respect, but certainly I don't deserve insults nor does anybody else...


Yes, but why would you want this big of a change from the other Halo games. No i did not mean to insult you i was just refering to the fact that you might be. Yes change is good, but change can also be bad. There is no real reason why we are argueing over this, it will not effect what comes about in the making of Halo 3.

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Well I'm Sorry we're ruining "your" perfect vision of what halo is, but just because you might -blam!- about it doesn't mean we should cripple the game of what could make it better. Halo isn't halo, it's whatever the damn gamers want to buy

  • 06.23.2006 7:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colt4cm
Well I'm Sorry we're ruining "your" perfect vision of what halo is, but just because you might -blam!- about it doesn't mean we should cripple the game of what could make it better. Halo isn't halo, it's whatever the damn gamers want to buy


Screw the consumer, why should we decide what comes about in the making of any game. It is completely up to the developers, not to us.

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[quote]Posted by: Colt4cm
Exactly. If people want bots or a mapmaker in Halo, then why shouldn't we be able to have it. We're not talking about putting flying pigs, or smg wielding kittens int he game, we're talking about that a feature that has been succesful and awesome in past games, so why shouldn't it be a part of Halo, when it can only make Halo better


Past games, all of which do not include Halo. That is excatly why i feel that they should NOT have either in Halo 3.


Yes, but if another game was just to through Aliens into the 3rd installment of the game then it would be stupid, irrational even.

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 7:21 PM PDT

just saying.

if they put something that realy dose not efect game play, and you dont like, then DONT USE IT.

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Because we're the ones shelling out 60 bucks for the damn thing, so shouldn't we have a say in it, yes!

  • 06.23.2006 7:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colt4cm
Because we're the ones shelling out 60 bucks for the damn thing, so shouldn't we have a say in it, yes!


No! Its like saying you should have a say in what a person paints, even though you will have the choice to buy it or NOT buy it after the person is done painting.

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 7:27 PM PDT

just saying.

Posted by: Colt4cm
Because we're the ones shelling out 60 bucks for the damn thing, so shouldn't we have a say in it, yes!

then if you dont like it dont buy it.(hurt me by saying that)

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Dude,think about it. Do you really want everyone going "Play my version of the map!" "No mine!"...It would be kinda lame having a million different versions of all the maps. Most of them would probably suck too. I think Bungie should keep making Halo 3 maps as DL content after they release the game to keep us happy,rather than having a bunch of kids on XBL reamaking maps.


Your missing the point all together. Eitheir your not reading what other people post. Or you have low reading comprehension levels. The point isnt remaking the maps already there, its making completly new maps all together. And its not like you would be able to go into matchmaking and have no choice but to download the map from that person. they would only be availiable in custom games. So lets say your friend makes a map and wants to play it with you.. You download it from him and play a CUSTOM game.


Besides if you wouldnt want to download anyones map you wouldnt have to its just there in case you wanna share with your friends in a CUSTOM game...

... stupid ass

Well you guys have been saying map editor "edit" does not mean "completely new"...

...stupid ass.

  • 06.23.2006 7:30 PM PDT

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Chill bro. Gotta get my bowl.

No map editor? Are you crazy?!

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Like a dozen people have said before, and I'll say it again , IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON'T USE IT!!!!! this isn't a damn painting, it's a game and unlike a painting a game has these little things called options.

  • 06.23.2006 7:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: marsman0013
The one thing I have noticed is that the Bot lovers, or as I will call from this day forwards robo-blam!-s, cannot give me a good enough reason to have them other than the fact they dont have a connection, or dont have xbl for whatever reason, I am not going into the fact they dont have friends to play with.

I can put forth a solid argument why not to, and I all get met with are lame quips and shotty complaints I have repeatedly shot into the ground.

Basically is has been broken down to the have nots crying Bungie dont foget the people who are too stupid to fix things for themselves.

As for the map editor, it could have some pros for custom games only, but my point is still the same, I would rahter have the map designers make more maps than tweaking and making an editor.

I would like to see more MP maps Vs. less because they are makeing a map editor or bots. Though I really think bots are a terrible idea.

Really unless someone can say something intelligent and put forth a good arguement as to why they should be added, you are just making yourself look dumb.

I honestly have not seen one single reason not to put them in. It could only help the game. Some people don't have XBL,and they would like bots to play with...Some people do have XBL and don't need them...If you don't want to play with them then don't use them. Some people though,would use them. No one is forcing you to use them though.

  • 06.23.2006 7:37 PM PDT