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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I

Posted by: coolmike699

It's not different to being in public at all. Why would it be?

"No one should take it seriously" is such a cop out. The Internet is the technology that is going to guide the future, why wouldn't we take it seriously?


The internet should represent a haven where people go to free their mind.

Suppression of thought will lead to physical violence.
So if we don't remove the blam filter, there will be riots? lol

  • 09.09.2012 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I

Posted by: coolmike699

It's not different to being in public at all. Why would it be?

"No one should take it seriously" is such a cop out. The Internet is the technology that is going to guide the future, why wouldn't we take it seriously?


The internet should represent a haven where people go to free their mind.

Suppression of thought will lead to physical violence.


You can "free your mind" anywhere you want (at least here in America).

But your speech has consequences. Freedom of speech is not freedom from accountability. If you spout stupid stuff, people are going to treat you like someone spouting stupid stuff, whether you're on the Internet or not.

  • 09.09.2012 9:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I

The internet should represent a haven where people go to free their mind.

Suppression of thought will lead to physical violence.
Physical violence over the internet. Didn't think that one out too much, did ya?

  • 09.09.2012 9:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I

Physical violence over the internet. Didn't think that one out too much, did ya?

In real life.
You'd have to figure out where everyone lives first. And there's not going to be any riots occurring because Bungie.net won't let you bad-mouth 9/11.

  • 09.09.2012 9:21 AM PDT

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  • 09.09.2012 9:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
here in the UK
Gotcha. Yeah, I imagine your perspective is a little different; things seem to be getting out of hand there in terms of what they'll arrest you for saying online.

  • 09.09.2012 9:28 AM PDT

You know, a lot of people are going to find what I say offensive, but the truth hurts. It seems everyone had a loved one involved in 9/11. And while I realize that can be tragic thing, it's been over 10 years. Yes, it was horrible event. Yes, it should never happen again. Yet I see so many people claim they were personally affected by 9/11. I'm sorry, but I see them so much that it doesn't really phase me anymore.

OP if you REALLY don't want to risk seeing something offensive on 9/11, just don't browse the internet. Cause the offenses wont die down over time, they'll just get worse.

Posted by: Shanaynay
For discussion value, what's your opinion on this issue? Not 9/11, but the issue of posters making fun of such a tragedy on the Bungie.net forums.


[Edited on 09.09.2012 11:23 AM PDT]

  • 09.09.2012 11:19 AM PDT

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Just because lots of people weren't personally affected doesn't mean there aren't people that were. Sure it's been 11 years but that doesn't make any less traumatic of an event.

  • 09.09.2012 12:03 PM PDT

i never said it wasn't. I'm sorry if I come across that way, but I don't believe that 9/11 should get special treatment. I see countless jokes about The Holocaust, Japanese Earthquake, and various other tragedies, yet people always seem to have a nerve hit when 9/11 gets rounded into it.

I don't think that's fair, and I believe that's a bit hypocritical.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Just because lots of people weren't personally affected doesn't mean there aren't people that were. Sure it's been 11 years but that doesn't make any less traumatic of an event.


[Edited on 09.09.2012 12:16 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2012 12:16 PM PDT

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I'm sure Jews hate Holocaust jokes just like Japanese hate Japanese Earthquake jokes just like Americans hate 9/11 jokes.

We just seem to be over-represented by non-Jewish non-Japanese-descendant Americans on BNet. If you go onto a Japanese forum I'm sure they have similar problems with people making fun of the Earthquake. I would mention a Jewish forum but I doubt there's all too many of those, even then I'm sure of they exist they get problems with Holocaust jokes.
Posted by: Gaara444
i never said it wasn't. I'm sorry if I come across that way, but I don't believe that 9/11 should get special treatment. I see countless jokes about The Holocaust, Japanese Earthquake, and various other tragedies, yet people always seem to have a nerve hit when 9/11 gets rounded into it.

I don't think that's fair, and I believe that's a bit hypocritical.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Just because lots of people weren't personally affected doesn't mean there aren't people that were. Sure it's been 11 years but that doesn't make any less traumatic of an event.

  • 09.09.2012 12:28 PM PDT

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  • 09.09.2012 12:31 PM PDT
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Do your part and report the -blam!- out of those threads.

Not saying you didn't, OP, but seriously. If something is that offensive to a ton of people, the post will be collapsed and you can carry on with your day.



[Edited on 09.09.2012 12:34 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2012 12:34 PM PDT

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It's going to happen regardless, just hope the mods are active that day so the threads barely see the light of day.

  • 09.09.2012 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
i never said it wasn't. I'm sorry if I come across that way, but I don't believe that 9/11 should get special treatment. I see countless jokes about The Holocaust, Japanese Earthquake, and various other tragedies, yet people always seem to have a nerve hit when 9/11 gets rounded into it.

I don't think that's fair, and I believe that's a bit hypocritical.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Just because lots of people weren't personally affected doesn't mean there aren't people that were. Sure it's been 11 years but that doesn't make any less traumatic of an event.


There were a lot of people affected by 9/11. A LOT. Americans are still feeling the effects of it to this day, and if you don't believe me just search on the internet of how the NYC police force changed, American rights have changed, and airport security has changed since then.
Also, one of my friends from school, his name was Aaron, he grew up without a father because of 9/11. So don't go saying nine eleven may not have been "as big" because it was pretty damn big.

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Posted by: Shanaynay
Posted by: Rogue soldier11
Sick jokes will appear with every tragedy. Think back to the Aurora shooting two months ago..
What's incredibly ironic is that the mods actually stopped that discussion and banned people who joked about it.

I haven't seen any jokes about that whole incident here for a while now.
As a matter of fact, this is wholly untrue. In fact, what I said at the time was:

People deal with tragedies in their own way. As long as it's not hurting you and not hugely offensive, learn to ignore it. A few quotes from Batman movies or wisecracks are not going to make this horrifying, terrible situation any worse than it already is.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but telling people not to post what they're feeling because it's different from what you're feeling is inappropriate, no matter which way it goes.


The reason the Aurora jokes have died down is not because of the moderators, but because the incident faded out of the front page news and jokes about it are no longer relevant and tend to be ignored when people attempt them. That's what happens. When users get ignored, they don't make that kind of post anymore.

Once again, OP, I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but this is the internet, not kindergarten. You need to grow some thicker skin and learn to ignore things that make you angry or upset on the internet. Moderators are not the moral police, and the fact is that threads like THIS ONE only encourage, not discourage, more posts that will intentionally piss you off.

If a joke is not racist, sexist, or similarly discriminatory (against groups such as religions or nationalities), and it is not intended to immediately cause flaming/spam/trolling, we're going to let it go. Get used to it and ignore the ones you don't like. Throwing around bans is not the answer to everything.

And the fact is that you folks in the Flood bring this crap upon yourselves by giving this much attention to trolls every single time they troll. Literally without fail. Hell, the fact that THIS thread exists at all is "troll-feeding." This is truly unbelievable -- the Flood is the most easily trolled forum on the internet, and it's your fault, not the moderators'.

[Edited on 09.09.2012 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2012 12:37 PM PDT

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What purpose could a joke about a terrorist attack where thousands died serve other than to flame? The point of making controversial jokes like that is to be controversial. The fact that you're, right away, putting jokes about 9/11 meant to antagonize/cause a flame war into the minority situation of "IF this happens then I guess we'll ban them" shows that you're taking an absurd take on the situation.

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Protip: If an individual has sincere, deep-seated, and profound emotional attachments to the events of a particular date in history (9-11, 7-7, Pearl Harbor, Christmas, the assassination of any figure) to the point where they can reliably predict that the intentionally rude spouting of some jerk on the Internet would offend, hurt, or enrage them, I have a small bit of advice.

Spend that day OFF of the Internet and do something in REAL life that commemorates and shows just how important that day is to you. Plant a tree, attend a memorial service, watch a movie about the event, have a picnic, go pray/be silent/contemplate, be with your family and loved ones. In the end, you'll have a better and far more productive day and no ones text on a screen will have ruined it for you.

  • 09.09.2012 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
On the internet you don't have to care about those things.

See, this is where I gotta step back and say "damn, thats a lot a stupid"

In this day and age our lives revolve around the internet, around computers. This isn't the 90's where only 10% of the world's population have access and only 1% of them understand it well enough.

Jobs are online, games are online, social interaction is online. Hell, we're almost overdoing how much we use the internet to connect.

If you want to talk trash in the real world what do you do? You go to a hole-in-the-wall where people will accept whatever opinion you have, and no one will find out. But it doesn't mean you won't hit someones nerve, and get the crap beat out of you.
The internet is no different. You want to blast everyone and anything? Go to /b/ they'll be happy to provide all the sick and twisted things you can imagine (and believe it or not, even THEY have their limits). But remember, like any hole in the wall, you're much more likely to get harmed, and those few with a twitchy trigger finger on /b/ can do some damage.


Posted by: Duardo
You're assuming that we did nothing at all last year. I, and many others, had to work. When I actually logged-in I took care of what needed to take care of, as did the others.

There were plenty of inappropriate jokes last year, and I recall locking and banning quite a few people. What's sad is that this is a yearly occurrence. Not everyone on this website is as emotionally invested in 9/11 as Americans, and some (including Americans) choose to act inappropriately in order to get a reaction.

Please ignore them and report them.

We will do what we can, but we can only do so much. We can't just ban the discussion, but we'll keep an eye out for rule breakers.

Its been said by members, and mods, and is worth saying again. Rule breakers will be punished, those who try to make jokes can and most likely will break the rules. But if an honest discussion comes up, that is somewhat offensive, but isn't breaking the rules, it'd be wrong it lock it.
I mean, if a thread what made saying "I wish Hitler would of killed more Jews" you think it wouldn't be locked? But if a thread asking the opinions of people on how the event unfolded and what they believe it created, its perfectly fine. And people DO make more posts like that on the day it's believed Hitler did himself in, its a historical date and reminds people, impossible to get around.

The thing is, not everyone here is American, no one is forced to like America, even some Americans don't. Some go so far as to enjoy harm dealt, and others simply see it as another occurrence that isn't too big of a deal. You can't force everyone to feel the same about America and 9/11. Its that freedom of opinion (not freedom from accountability) that that date is supposed to be remembered for.


Posted by: x Foman123 x
And the fact is that you folks in the Flood bring this crap upon yourselves by giving this much attention to trolls every single time they troll. Literally without fail. Hell, the fact that THIS thread exists at all is "troll-feeding." This is truly unbelievable -- the Flood is the most easily trolled forum on the internet, and it's your fault, not the moderators'.

I don't i've ever seen Foman express any real sort of emotion (be it bad or good) when it comes to a topic like this....or any for that matter (jokes and such aside obviously). And I think its simply because its so damn true. I got fed up a while ago because of constant attention to trolls. Glad to see the mods have had their fill too.
I can't remember who said it, maybe was Foman, but it was something along the lines of "Instead of posting 'report and move on', acutally do that, all you posting that is doing is bumping the topic."
And seriously, that is some of the best advise on this forum.

[Edited on 09.09.2012 12:58 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2012 12:54 PM PDT

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  • 09.09.2012 12:56 PM PDT

The problem I have with the day is that it is seemed as a more important event than any other tragedy since it.

You don't see loads of threads about 7/7, the Japanese Tsunami, the Christchurch earthquake on their respective days...

Now I get that it's a mostly American forum. But the amount of threads seem essentially spamming and if anything, diminish what they are supposed to represent.

My thoughts.

  • 09.09.2012 1:12 PM PDT