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Subject: Can the mods please not let this happen again?

Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Grimaldus
I believe it is wrong to joke about any loss of human life....you want to make a joke about a bunch of lizards go for it...it doesn't relate/hurt anyone.I have never ever ever cracked a single remark at the death of a human being. In fact, I don't think I've ever cracked -blam!- about death at all.
Is it really more wrong to joke about the loss of one human life than it is to joke about the loss of thousands of species?


I'm not saying that the people spamming these threads just to troll shouldn't be banned or that said jokes are acceptable no matter what the context, but I don't think there's something inherently wrong with simply joking about a tragedy, did shakespeare not write a few tragic comedies in his time?
Indeed he did...but time changes and so do people...

  • 09.11.2012 1:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Grimaldus
I believe it is wrong to joke about any loss of human life....you want to make a joke about a bunch of lizards go for it...it doesn't relate/hurt anyone.I have never ever ever cracked a single remark at the death of a human being. In fact, I don't think I've ever cracked -blam!- about death at all.
Is it really more wrong to joke about the loss of one human life than it is to joke about the loss of thousands of species?


I'm not saying that the people spamming these threads just to troll shouldn't be banned or that said jokes are acceptable no matter what the context, but I don't think there's something inherently wrong with simply joking about a tragedy, did shakespeare not write a few tragic comedies in his time?
Things that make this different from other tragedies:

1. It happened to America, one the the largest, most populous, most economically powerful countries on the planet.

2. It happened to New York, one of the most populous cities in the country (if not the most).

3. Because of it happening in such a populous place, the chances of someone you knew being dead were so much greater.

4. Because of the fact that it was broadcast over CNN, etc. people still have the images of people jumping out the building burned into their heads.

5. It also happened to the pentagon and (we think) tried for the whitehouse. This caused people to have an intense fear that they still deal with when they remember the day.

6. It was people attacking people. People attacking innocent people at that. It wasn't a natural disaster. Yes, those are terrible but the idea of people attacking people means that it could just as easily happen the day after.

All of those things compound into a psyche that, for the most part, was ravaged by and continues to be ravaged by the idea of the event. It's not so much laughing at tragedy as it is laughing at devastation, death, and fear. You're kicking someone, not while they're down, but while they're trying to get up which is just as bad.

  • 09.11.2012 2:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Grimaldus
I believe it is wrong to joke about any loss of human life....you want to make a joke about a bunch of lizards go for it...it doesn't relate/hurt anyone.I have never ever ever cracked a single remark at the death of a human being. In fact, I don't think I've ever cracked -blam!- about death at all.
Is it really more wrong to joke about the loss of one human life than it is to joke about the loss of thousands of species?


I'm not saying that the people spamming these threads just to troll shouldn't be banned or that said jokes are acceptable no matter what the context, but I don't think there's something inherently wrong with simply joking about a tragedy, did shakespeare not write a few tragic comedies in his time?
Things that make this different from other tragedies:

1. It happened to America, one the the largest, most populous, most economically powerful countries on the planet.

2. It happened to New York, one of the most populous cities in the country (if not the most).

3. Because of it happening in such a populous place, the chances of someone you knew being dead were so much greater.

4. Because of the fact that it was broadcast over CNN, etc. people still have the images of people jumping out the building burned into their heads.

5. It also happened to the pentagon and (we think) tried for the whitehouse. This caused people to have an intense fear that they still deal with when they remember the day.

6. It was people attacking people. People attacking innocent people at that. It wasn't a natural disaster. Yes, those are terrible but the idea of people attacking people means that it could just as easily happen the day after.

All of those things compound into a psyche that, for the most part, was ravaged by and continues to be ravaged by the idea of the event. It's not so much laughing at tragedy as it is laughing at devastation, death, and fear. You're kicking someone, not while they're down, but while they're trying to get up which is just as bad.
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  • 09.11.2012 3:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
My point that the majority of life on this planet being wiped out was a larger tragedy still stands.

As for "The wounds being fresh", the majority of people aged 11 and under might not even know about it, that's coming up to a whole generation of people already, it's not that recent a tragedy that making a joke about it is still "kicking you when you're getting back up".

Did you know Genghis Khan has a 0.5% chance of being your ancestor, do you know how he died?

  • 09.11.2012 3:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
My point that the majority of life on this planet being wiped out was a larger tragedy still stands.

As for "The wounds being fresh", the majority of people aged 11 and under might not even know about it, that's coming up to a whole generation of people already, it's not that recent a tragedy that making a joke about it is still "kicking you when you're getting back up".

Did you know Genghis Khan has a 0.5% chance of being your ancestor, do you know how he died?
Having sex I'm pretty sure, but I don't see how that's relevant.

And people under the age of 14 aren't very relative in this discussion. They're not the people we're worried about. They're not going to have much of a connection to 9/11 barring any patriotic one or one gained via cultural-osmosis. The people who're going to get offended are the people who're sixteen and older. People around my age were in Kindergarten or 1st grade, and if you understood what was going on then your memory of the event was possibly even more horrific than some adults. Hell, one of the planes crashed into my state, too. My grandpa was in the Pentagon (on account o' he worked there) at the time and I didn't find out til years later that he was actually really close to where the plane hit.

The point is that almost everyone has some sort of connection to 9/11 even if they did't live in NYC and because of the fact that everyone has a connection to the people-on-people attack and the immense panic it created and this new era of "War on Terror" it ushered us into that is still going on, we're nowhere near the point where making fun of the event is okay. (For the record, I'm against any sort of making fun of the Haitian Earthquake, Japanese Earthquake, London Subway Bombings, Norway Massacre, or any other horrific event that happened in recent memory.)

  • 09.11.2012 4:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55I remember talking to a new yorker that saw it happen roughly two days ago about exactly that topic, he said 9/11 jokes were ok 5 years ago, I may be rather disconnected from the experience but someone who saw it happening right before him being perfectly fine with it? That's something else.

You claim the generation barely old enough to have heard of it are still emotionally scarred by the event, but I don't think even one in a thousand would be very offended by the example jokes within this thread, in fact I'm sure a good few would laugh.

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  • 09.11.2012 4:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
I guess the Ninjas do what they can, they are not machines you know? It's unfortunately to encounter this kind of trolling, but that's the internet for you, the best you can do to help is, do not feed the trolls and push that report button.

Posted by: MasterSin
I guess the Ninjas do what they can, they are not machines you know?


But imagine if we had cyborg ninjas patroling the Flood, we should call these mods Ninja Sentinals. But yeah, crude jokes are only acceptable if they're funny.

  • 09.11.2012 6:43 AM PDT

I think we can just come to the conclusion if you get your feelings hurt really easy, don't go to the flood. really this should be true 365 days a year not just on the anniversary of 9/11

  • 09.11.2012 7:03 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

We don't like your logic round these here parts.
Posted by: Poe Sword
I think we can just come to the conclusion if you get your feelings hurt really easy, don't go to the flood. really this should be true 365 days a year not just on the anniversary of 9/11

  • 09.11.2012 7:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Grimaldus
Posted by: Fuzzy McDoodle
On one hand, it happened over 10 years ago and you need to not let a bunch of Internet trolls get the better of you, and on one hand, if it's violent it shouldn't be on The Flood.

Making fun of other tragedies happens all the time on that board without action, I don't understand why 9/11 should be the exception.
Does it make it any more justifiable?


Yes, People should be allowed to make jokes about whatever they want.

  • 09.11.2012 7:39 AM PDT
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My face will be the last thing your puny race ever sees.

Threads like the 9/11 ones now let me know whos a sack of -blam!- or not and I now someone I cant say and 5 others are a sack of -blam!-.

  • 09.11.2012 7:48 AM PDT

I would like to thank the moderators for their service yesterday. Not once did I see a single 9/11 joke post or thread, and any that did appear were quickly handled accordingly. The situation that occurred last year was completely and utterly avoided.

With that said, mods can lock this thread. Yes, I know I did bump a basically-dead thread on the second page, but I just wanted to show my appreciation.

  • 09.12.2012 1:26 PM PDT