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Subject: Just out of curiosity...

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Would Halo 3, being 5 year old netcode, benefit from a matchmaking system similar to what is used in the current CoD system which implements a lag compensator. For those of you unfamiliar, it renders some of the connection imbalance so that the host does not have a gratuitous, overwhelming advantage as opposed to lesser connections within the game. One disadvantage is that in CoD it can sometimes make the host pretty much a non factor.

The reason I ask is, in my Halo 3 experience I was always on the short end of the connection scale. It was no one's fault, it was just I had the best isp available to me at that time, which was poor compared to those who I played with regularly. It made the game virtually unplayable for me after 2 years of frustration. I loved the game and comrade-re, but being a liability to my team in the game was always a thorn in my side. (Please note that this was not an all the time situation, just more often than not from my perspective.)

I just wondered if anyone else ever thought it would be worth while. I would rather get back together and play Halo 3 than Reach any given day (I detest what they did to that game).
This is not an argument for or against Halo >=/=< CoD, only the possible value of modifying the MM system.

  • 09.11.2012 2:43 PM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns
I'm sorry America is busy helping others in the world and actually making a difference.

Something Canada will never do.

this would be excellent


the euros would be so mad without their ridiculous host advantage

  • 09.11.2012 2:55 PM PDT

I run Skirmish!!!

this would be awesome. this would mean that those annoying mexican red bar hosts would not have such a factor in my enjoyment of this game

  • 09.11.2012 3:46 PM PDT

I think any game would benefit from that type of connection change. Bad host is incredibly annoying.

  • 09.11.2012 6:34 PM PDT

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  • 09.11.2012 6:44 PM PDT

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I'd support this. If the connection wasn't so awful for me, I'd still be playing H3 BTB.

  • 09.11.2012 11:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
H3 BTB.
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  • 09.12.2012 1:57 AM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better

I think the game would benefit from people upgrading their internets and stop complaining.

  • 09.12.2012 4:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: shortD42 is aBK
I think the game would benefit from people upgrading their internets and stop complaining.

You assume people have a wide range of isp's to choose from and all offer infallible, affordable infrastructure in their regions.

We all know what assume means.

I have friends who can only play on a 4G tether for they live in the sticks. It's all they can get.
Others like myself are in rural towns that are not privileged enough to have Fios or ultra high speed DSL available to us at all.

  • 09.12.2012 5:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: shortD42 is aBK
I think the game would benefit from people upgrading their internets and stop complaining.


foreign host is foreign host, upgrading Internets would not fix anything when the host is, for example, mexican.

  • 09.12.2012 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cobravert
You assume people have a wide range of isp's to choose from and all offer infallible, affordable infrastructure in their regions.

We all know what assume means.

I have friends who can only play on a 4G tether for they live in the sticks. It's all they can get.
Others like myself are in rural towns that are not privileged enough to have Fios or ultra high speed DSL available to us at all.



Posted by: II gaped II
foreign host is foreign host, upgrading Internets would not fix anything when the host is, for example, mexican.


These. People try to make do with what they are given.

[Edited on 09.12.2012 2:26 PM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Americans have terrible connection and make excuses when they just suck ass.

  • 09.12.2012 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Americans have terrible connection and make excuses when they just suck ass.


haha funniest post all day... says the guy who is from FINLAND. Your the one with the bad foreign connection. lmao

last time i checked bungie is located in AMERICA, not finland. that is all.

[Edited on 09.12.2012 5:12 PM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 5:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Americans have terrible connection and make excuses when they just suck ass.

My second wish for all XBL MM? No foreign connections outside your home territory, only unless you wish to be in an international lobby.

  • 09.12.2012 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Americans have terrible connection and make excuses when they just suck ass.

My second wish for all XBL MM? No foreign connections outside your home territory, only unless you wish to be in an international lobby.

And miss the American hatred when they get dumped badly on their own host? no way.

  • 09.12.2012 6:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: Pahat Pojat

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Americans have terrible connection and make excuses when they just suck ass.

My second wish for all XBL MM? No foreign connections outside your home territory, only unless you wish to be in an international lobby.

And miss the American hatred when they get dumped badly on their own host? no way.

Any game won by host advantage while the other team can not do anything because of a major offset in time / differential = hollow victory. It's not even a game at that point and no measure of the host's ability, just a game that was handed to them.
If you have to gloat in a handed to you win, that's about as lame as it gets.

  • 09.12.2012 6:32 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better

bah what are you talking about? mexicans hardly ever get host. it's either euros or australians that pull it over americans. upgrading most certainly helps pulling host. a better ping helps. you're not going to get host every game duh. the only host i can't really play is australian region. i'm east coast america so that's pretty understandable.

obviously internet should get better in the future (providing the bandwidth problem is solved) so all of these issues only get better with time (technology improvements) and money (upgrading your internet). you are all just stating obvious flaws with online gaming. lag compensation has its own world of problems and is hated by a good deal of the cod community.

you don't deserve host if you're on a cheap internet. you're greatly exaggeratering if you think mexicans are always pulling host on you. upgrade or gtfo

host advantage isn't a new problem to halo or gaming. i've never once felt cheated about bullets even through regen. if the host is bad i can tell immediately. it usually makes the game very unbalanced. however, on good host i don't have any issues and lag comp can be really annoying if people with bad internet are in your game.

[Edited on 09.12.2012 7:37 PM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 7:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: shortD42 is aBK

you don't deserve host if you're on a cheap internet. you're greatly exaggeratering if you think mexicans are always pulling host on you. upgrade or gtfo


Even if a mexican does not get host, if they are in the game, it's going to be laggy. Every time.

  • 09.12.2012 11:09 PM PDT
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I do not support this. It doesn't just ruin host advantage. It puts everyone in the game's connection down to the same level as the worst connection and that person with the worst connection then gets an advantage like host advantage.

  • 09.13.2012 6:57 AM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I could only imagine how wonderful this would be for me...

Someone go start a petition on Waypoint!

  • 09.13.2012 7:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: Clone
I do not support this. It doesn't just ruin host advantage. It puts everyone in the game's connection down to the same level as the worst connection and that person with the worst connection then gets an advantage like host advantage.

Actually it does not do that. At least not to the degree that you are saying. It does even the field a bit, but host still has an advantage in most cases. Just not an overwhelming one where they seem immortal.

That said, host should not be automatically handed an advantage anyhow. They did nothing to deserve an advantage. Everyone all paid to be on XBL equally.

  • 09.13.2012 9:36 AM PDT

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[Edited on 09.13.2012 4:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2012 4:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Clone
I do not support this. It doesn't just ruin host advantage. It puts everyone in the game's connection down to the same level as the worst connection and that person with the worst connection then gets an advantage like host advantage.

And on top of this most americans need to stop living in india when they play and host a game.

  • 09.13.2012 5:15 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better


Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Clone
I do not support this. It doesn't just ruin host advantage. It puts everyone in the game's connection down to the same level as the worst connection and that person with the worst connection then gets an advantage like host advantage.

Actually it does not do that. At least not to the degree that you are saying. It does even the field a bit, but host still has an advantage in most cases. Just not an overwhelming one where they seem immortal.

That said, host should not be automatically handed an advantage anyhow. They did nothing to deserve an advantage. Everyone all paid to be on XBL equally.


Explain how lowering everyone's internet a little + still having host advantage is better than just having straight out host advantage and not hurting half the players internet connection.

[Edited on 09.13.2012 7:46 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2012 7:45 PM PDT

The WorkPLace

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

Posted by: shortD42 is aBK

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Clone
I do not support this. It doesn't just ruin host advantage. It puts everyone in the game's connection down to the same level as the worst connection and that person with the worst connection then gets an advantage like host advantage.

Actually it does not do that. At least not to the degree that you are saying. It does even the field a bit, but host still has an advantage in most cases. Just not an overwhelming one where they seem immortal.

That said, host should not be automatically handed an advantage anyhow. They did nothing to deserve an advantage. Everyone all paid to be on XBL equally.


Explain how lowering everyone's internet a little + still having host advantage is better than just having straight out host advantage and not hurting half the players internet connection.

It makes the game more even for EVERYONE, not just one person or those in close proximity to him.
Being host should NOT be an overwhelming advantage. All players should have as close to the same representation as possible.

  • 09.13.2012 7:56 PM PDT

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