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Subject: Should "better" members be recognised?

Posted by: American Recoil
"Better" is not a good word to use.
Then again, "better" is a subjective word and in this case dazarobbo said in his OP: By "better" I refer to members (or groups of members) who make contributions to the community
I think the use of the word in this sense is just fine. I also believe this is a great idea. A way to point out and easily identify the people in this community that seek out the greater good and benefit of everyone through what they do is needed.

When the new members begin to inundate the forums, they should have people who will be there to give them straightforward, direct answers. Right now, the only distinction they would be able to make between a good and a bad answer is basically nonexistent. I mean, the Ninjas and employees can give them but they are not always around.

I like this idea and believe it does hold many great functions within, not just this community, but any online forum/community. Another great job, daza.

  • 09.12.2012 10:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Khirna
So are you stating that you think that people who are given good recognition shouldn't be banned on the same terms as those who haven't?
No. I'm saying all aspects should be weighed. For instance. Let's say somebody holds game nights, manages several communities or one large one, posts regularly, helps people out, whatever. These people should not be subject to the same scrutiny as somebody that has not proven themselves. Everybody makes mistakes every once in a while. Banning somebody that you KNOW has no ill intent and contributes in a positive manner in the rest of the community for something completely trivial is not nearly as warranted as banning somebody brand new that does the same thing.


This is called elitism. "I do good most of the time, so when I do bad that one time, overlook it." It has no place anywhere. Well, it does in politics, but we won't get into that.

Then you need to rethink the recognition.Your opinion of me is of little consequence, thankfully.

Already explained this one.

I'm fairly certain ninjas are chosen based on liklihood of following and upholding the rules of the site, so these badges could undermine it if those who receive them think that they should be held to different standards. ... That's a pathetic reason. "Don't give good people any recognition because it could make the moderators look less awesome!"

You misunderstand. Ninjas are given recognition because they don't step out of line, and if they do it is usually talked about and set up well beforehand in a satirical manner or an April fool's joke. Members who start getting recognition might feel entitled to more leeway because they have been recognized in a similar fashion. Again, elitism.

If anything, the punishment for slipping up when a higher ranking member does it should be higher, since technically they should be more mature and more aware of the rules.Man I'll tell you. If an old man jaywalks and I were a judge and this somehow made it to court, I'd give him thirty years since he should know better by now.

Metaphor does not apply. You are taking a minor violation that results in a minor fine/slap on the wrist and blowing it out of proportion. If a senior member posts something lockworthy and of no discussion value, they will most likely be warned, because it happens. Things sound better in our heads than they do in writing. If they go out of their way to troll or be a nuisance just that one time, they should be treated to a higher standard because they are setting a poor example to newer members.

And let's be real here, mythic members get away with a lot more than regular members here. By getting away, I simple mean they get warnings or locks instead of bans that younger accounts would get. I don't think it is wrong in the right situation, because most of it is usually just a funny thread that breaks the rules, meaning something has to be done, no matter how funny it is.

edit: there, happy now?

[Edited on 09.12.2012 10:30 AM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 10:29 AM PDT

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I wouldn't mind some sort of way to recognize members who are constant contributors but I don't think that any special privileges should be granted when it comes to bans. That's where your moderation history comes into play. If you've been banned or warned for the same thing several times, chances are, you'll catch a ban. If your history is relatively clean, you'll get a warning.

Often times ban histories coincide with someone's title. If you see a mythic who's "getting away" with something, it's not because of their title. It's because they've shown a history of good behavior. If there is a mythic with repeated warnings and bans, they won't "get off easy."

Basically, you're looking at the wrong thing.

[Edited on 09.12.2012 10:36 AM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 10:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Hey, guys, what's going on in this thread?
Someone tell Kivell that he is a lie.


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I kinda of think as the "Average Joe" articles in this light.

Wouldnt mind something next to your name if you have been featured in that aspect.

  • 09.12.2012 10:34 AM PDT

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When people do something like that it shouldn't really be for attention. But still, it wouldn't be bad. I think a shout out in the mail sack or something along those lines would be pretty cool.

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Posted by: True Underdog
I wouldn't mind some sort of way to recognize members who are constant contributors but I don't think that any special privileges should be granted when it comes to bans. That's where your moderation history comes into play. If you've been banned or warned for the same thing several times, chances are, you'll catch a ban. If your history is relatively clean, you'll get a warning.

Often times ban histories coincide with someone's title. If you see a mythic who's "getting away" with something. It's not because of their title. It's because they've shown a history of good behavior. If there is a mythic with repeated warnings and bans, they won't "get off easy."

Basically, you're looking at the wrong thing.


This, I understand, and did not write into my post, as it was a little hasty. Looking at my moderation history, if I were to post some spam or something of no discussion value, I think I would earn a ban the next time, yes?

I am not going further into this though because I know the mods are fair in every situation and more pondering on the subject is going to make it look like I think you have favorites, which I know, is not true.

  • 09.12.2012 10:39 AM PDT

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Oh. I see what you were saying. I misread. Browsing from my phone at lunch. ;)

  • 09.12.2012 10:43 AM PDT

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I think a unique title or avatar that relates to whatever the person accomplished would be enough.

Maybe even a different color bar.

  • 09.12.2012 10:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: mvyorkie009
yes i think so, why shouldnt people that do good things or noticeable things be rewarded. i think it will keep people coming back to the site. It gives them something to work for.
yorkie


Shouldn't you be expected to do good things without a reward?


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Posted by: catman6
Posted by: mvyorkie009
yes i think so, why shouldnt people that do good things or noticeable things be rewarded. i think it will keep people coming back to the site. It gives them something to work for.
yorkie
I think you get enough attention.


why do you say this?


Posted by: Khirna

Posted by: mvyorkie009
yes i think so, why shouldnt people that do good things or noticeable things be rewarded. i think it will keep people coming back to the site. It gives them something to work for.
yorkie


This I can agree with. Milestones perhaps? Something everyone can work towards. Easy to lose if you don't keep yourself in check, but worth the effort to obtain.


this was well said
yorkie

  • 09.12.2012 10:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Khirna

This is called elitism. "I do good most of the time, so when I do bad that one time, overlook it." It has no place anywhere. Well, it does in politics, but we won't get into that.
To start, do not throw around words without regards to their actual meaning. This is not 'elitism.' This is rewarding and recognizing those that do good in a community. If Lincoln were around we would treat him well amd most likely would not arrest him for jaywalking regardless of how old he is. He did good. You recognize and resprct that. I do not believe you understand what elitism actuly is. ... At all.


Ninjas are given recognition because they don't step out of line, and if they do it is usually talked about and set up well beforehand in a satirical manner or an April fool's joke.You have not been here very long, clearly.

Members who start getting recognition might feel entitled to more leeway because they have been recognized in a similar fashion. Again, elitism.... wat? So if you recognize people for being generally good people they won't follow rules or something? That is idiotic. People are ALREADY recognized for various things. I do not see people going all Toast style on the forums, do you?



Metaphor does not apply. You are taking a minor violation that results in a minor fine/slap on the wrist and blowing it out of proportion. If a senior member posts something lockworthy and of no discussion value, they will most likely be warned, because it happens. Things sound better in our heads than they do in writing. If they go out of their way to troll or be a nuisance just that one time, they should be treated to a higher standard because they are setting a poor example to newer members.
... Er... do you even know what you are arguing? Because you sort of just said exactly what I have said for the last three posts.
:/

nd let's be real here, mythic members get away with a lot more than regular members here. By getting away, I simple mean they get warnings or locks instead of bans that younger accounts would get.

Oh really? Please do point an example from these many situations you claim happen. Because other than one time a moderator sent me a long PM instead of a ban (fun fact: I took it to heart) and one warning I received, I do not believe I have ever not been banned due to a title bar.

  • 09.12.2012 10:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: True Underdog
Oh. I see what you were saying. I misread. Browsing from my phone at lunch. ;)


Assuming this is at me, gotcha.

If not, disregard at awkward comment.

Edit: And burrito, you obviously have no intention of seeing my points as they are, so I'm done explaining and "countering". If you'd like to discuss further, a PM will do.

[Edited on 09.12.2012 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 09.12.2012 10:52 AM PDT

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I think people who contribute well should be allowed a custom avatar or custom title. I'd see it as a small reward for doing good in the community and contributing in a positive way. The Waypoint forums have several rewards, such as medals and signature usage.

I doubt I'd benefit from something like this today, but I do have friends who contribute heavily to the community and I'd like to see them commended for their efforts.

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  • 09.12.2012 11:02 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

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Wait, that's not what we're talking about?

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  • 09.12.2012 11:09 AM PDT

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Id settle for a best friend hug from True_Underdog every time i did something good.

  • 09.12.2012 11:14 AM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

I've given so much input into topics and ideas like these. When things begin to happen and little things get added, then I'll think about some more possibilities. I just don't see anything happening soon.

  • 09.12.2012 11:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Cryptic
Posted by: dazarobbo
By "better" I refer to members (or groups of members) who make contributions to the community. For instance, by the way they post, sharing their artwork, stories, organising game nights, etc...

Why not have a way of identifying the role models in this community?
I think it would be beneficial for Bungie to use icons and levels similar to Xbox.com.
Thats cool, they are nice simply and small. They could sit at the end of your user bar, or under your avatar.

  • 09.12.2012 11:24 AM PDT

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People should be doing good deeds for the community just for the sake of doing them. If we assign rewards (Recon armor) for such deeds you ussually get a load of whiners who are just in it for the attention or reward associated with the deed.

Custom titles is all I think would be deemed acceptable. Or maybe an interview from Urk.

  • 09.12.2012 11:41 AM PDT

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Now try how and why."

On a totally unrelated note, Bungie should send me a box of chocolate chip cookies to thank me for my years of being a dedicated fan. Cause that's how it works, right?

  • 09.12.2012 11:42 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC


Posted by: homocidalham
On a totally unrelated note, Bungie should send me a box of chocolate chip cookies to thank me for my years of being a dedicated fan. Cause that's how it works, right?


And thank us for the couple hundreds bucks each we spent on their games.

  • 09.12.2012 11:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
When I contribute to the forums, the feedback to my contribution is reward enough in and of itself.

But that's just me.



Agreed, but those who go way above and beyond the call could use with something that sets them apart.

  • 09.12.2012 11:45 AM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


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Posted by: homocidalham
On a totally unrelated note, Bungie should send me a box of chocolate chip cookies to thank me for my years of being a dedicated fan. Cause that's how it works, right?


And thank us for the couple hundreds bucks each we spent on their games.


After all, it's not like we bought their games because they had tons of effort put into them and gave us so many wonderful experiences.

  • 09.12.2012 11:46 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC


Posted by: homocidalham

Posted by: EAGLES5

Posted by: homocidalham
On a totally unrelated note, Bungie should send me a box of chocolate chip cookies to thank me for my years of being a dedicated fan. Cause that's how it works, right?


And thank us for the couple hundreds bucks each we spent on their games.


After all, it's not like we bought their games because they had tons of effort put into them and gave us so many wonderful experiences.


I was at gun point every single time.

  • 09.12.2012 11:50 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

I feel like people who are around often enough know who the "better" members are as opposed to annoying or unhelpful members. So it would be easy to reward them.

After that it just comes down to how you want them rewarded.

  • 09.12.2012 12:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
After that it just comes down to how you want them rewarded.
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  • 09.12.2012 12:06 PM PDT

I could see this being implemented. Although, as it has already been said before, determining the recipients of such rewards would be a bit of a challenge. Leaving it up to the Web Team and the Community guys is definitely a good option. But there's always that chance that someone will be overlooked. Over time, I'm sure the system could be improved and adjusted.

What I'm proposing is a private group of individuals who are on the site often (Overlords, Web Team, Ninjas, Community people). That group will have the sole purpose of discussing candidates for such rewards through presentation of contributions, ban history, and the posting behavior of the candidates. Then hold a vote to decide whether or not the candidate should receive the reward.

  • 09.12.2012 12:13 PM PDT