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Subject: Speedrunners, why camo over sprint in nightfall?

I was just watching a Reach speed run (I don't do it, just bored)
and was wondering why he would choose camo over sprint.
He is being shot at anyway, and it just seems that it's slowing him down...

  • 09.14.2012 12:48 PM PDT

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It's quite simple actually. You were watching a bad player attempt a speed run. A good speed runner would choose sprint for Nightfall.

  • 09.14.2012 12:53 PM PDT

http://highspeedhalo.net/?category_name=full_game_reach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPBu8gmL1M
One by MasterRC, apparent world record full run...

  • 09.14.2012 1:04 PM PDT

You don't? The fastest times I've seen use Sprint..

  • 09.14.2012 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: InhumanEchoes
http://highspeedhalo.net/?category_name=full_game_reach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPBu8gmL1M
One by MasterRC, apparent world record full run...
Apparent being the key word here. He's probably not. I've seen much faster runs of Nightfall than his, and therefore I'd assume that there are faster full runs than his.

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Did I really just see someone say RC Master is bad at speedruns?

LOL

  • 09.14.2012 1:32 PM PDT

Like you could do better.

  • 09.14.2012 1:34 PM PDT

Wasn't that his every reach mission on Legendary in one run? He said he used camo because its less risky, and the chance of dying is minimal compared to using sprint.

[Edited on 09.14.2012 2:37 PM PDT]

  • 09.14.2012 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Clone
Did I really just see someone say RC Master is bad at speedruns?

LOL

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Posted by: InhumanEchoes
http://highspeedhalo.net/?category_name=full_game_reach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPBu8gmL1M
One by MasterRC, apparent world record full run...


Yes its a world record full run with no deaths, not a world record Nightfall run. He used camo because it was safer and a slightly less chance of dying. He doesn't have the world record Nightfall speed run (or PoA anymore) and he never really even bothers with Nightfall because he doesn't like it.


A normal Nightfall speed run, by itself, you would use Sprint.

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Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
It's quite simple actually. You were watching a bad player attempt a speed run. A good speed runner would choose sprint for Nightfall.

  • 09.14.2012 6:59 PM PDT

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global warming isn't proven and won't be - it's more of a political play for funding for "research"

Two people thinking RC Master is bad at speedrunning.

This is unreal

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The Nightfall records are as follows;
Easy: 3:13
Normal: 3:15
Heroic: 3:15
Legendary: 3:15
SLASO: 3:19

The fastest run, ever; 3:11.


Posted by: Clone
Two people thinking RC Master is bad at speedrunning.

This is unreal


RC Master is good. But he hasn't done anything for a while; he's lost multiple records in that time.

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  • 09.14.2012 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: jew man man
The Nightfall records are as follows;
Easy: 3:13
Normal: 3:15
Heroic: 3:15
Legendary: 3:15
SLASO: 3:19

The fastest run, ever; 3:11.


Posted by: Clone
Two people thinking RC Master is bad at speedrunning.

This is unreal


RC Master is good. But he hasn't done anything for a while; he's lost multiple records in that time.


I've done it in 4 mins on Legendary, it all depends on the fork lift glitch, if you get it first time.

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I don't usually do speed runs but I always choose Sprint over Camo.

  • 09.16.2012 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: InhumanEchoes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPBu8gmL1M
One by MasterRC, apparent world record full run...

The parameters for this run where as follows:
Play on Legendary with no skulls, solo,
Do the whole game in under 3 hours without a break (single-segment),
Don't die.

The first two parts of that are meh. I can do that any day of the week, any time of day. Not dying is much more challenging considering one minor mistake ruins the entire run and can cost you hours of gameplay.

Don't know about you, but the standard speed run path for Nightfall has a fairly random success rate for me. If you know some trick that ensures safety while preserving speed, please, do enlighten me.

So I chose to use camo and go through a more circuitous path to ensure my safety. I'd previously died a fair number of times at the first settlement in nightfall - costing me 20 minutes of gameplay each time - but as soon as I changed to the path you see in the video, I landed the whole thing only a couple of tries later.

It shouldn't be any surprise then, that Cody Miller used the same path there at AGDQ 2012 when he attempted to replicate the feat.

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Apparent being the key word here. He's probably not. I've seen much faster runs of Nightfall than his, and therefore I'd assume that there are faster full runs than his.

You can assume all you like, but records need to be proven with evidence, not just by conjecture. The old HIH saying: "No pics, no pruf, no truf" applies - well, video, stats and saved films in this case. Besides, I've done faster full-game runs myself, just not without deaths, and the no-deaths part was really the main point of this run.

Anyone is welcome to challenge my record, but you'll be held to the same standard of evidence that I was.

Posted by: Apocalypse
He doesn't have the world record for ... PoA anymore)

Wait, what? Since when?

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Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
It's quite simple actually. You were watching a bad player attempt a speed run. A good speed runner would choose sprint for Nightfall.

You guys are hilarious.

[Edited on 09.18.2012 6:27 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Apocalypse
and he never really even bothers with Nightfall because he doesn't like it.
Is this true?!

Personally, I find Nightfall to be the least appalling Reach level.

-no long first person riding sections
-no major kill stealing from Noble Team or OP Pelican guns
-only 1 instance with Skirmishers
-no vehicle combat
-no Brutes
-aesthetics are pleasant to look at compared to the other levels
-AI + Banshee collection potential
-dark zone LASO kept me busy more than any other encounter in the game
-easy to get rid of Jun at 2 points (mission start and rally point bravo)
-out of the map exploration

The level is a damn godsend.

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Posted by: Apocalypse
and he never really even bothers with Nightfall because he doesn't like it.
Is this true?!

Personally, I find Nightfall to be the least appalling Reach level.

-no long first person riding sections
-no major kill stealing from Noble Team or OP Pelican guns
-only 1 instance with Skirmishers
-no vehicle combat
-no Brutes
-aesthetics are pleasant to look at compared to the other levels
-AI + Banshee collection potential
-dark zone LASO kept me busy more than any other encounter in the game
-easy to get rid of Jun at 2 points (mission start and rally point bravo)
-out of the map exploration

The level is a damn godsend.

You're looking at this from the perspective of playing it normally.

He meant that he doesn't like speedrunning Nightfall

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Posted by: Clone
Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Apocalypse
and he never really even bothers with Nightfall because he doesn't like it.
Is this true?!

Personally, I find Nightfall to be the least appalling Reach level.

-no long first person riding sections
-no major kill stealing from Noble Team or OP Pelican guns
-only 1 instance with Skirmishers
-no vehicle combat
-no Brutes
-aesthetics are pleasant to look at compared to the other levels
-AI + Banshee collection potential
-dark zone LASO kept me busy more than any other encounter in the game
-easy to get rid of Jun at 2 points (mission start and rally point bravo)
-out of the map exploration

The level is a damn godsend.

You're looking at this from the perspective of playing it normally.

He meant that he doesn't like speedrunning Nightfall
Oh right.

  • 09.18.2012 10:14 AM PDT